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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moredots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">these kind of atrocities are absolutely the reason why people should be allowed to carry guns. </div></div>
Unfortuatly, that logic is lost on most people who's knee-jerk is to cry "BAN".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moredots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">these kind of atrocities are absolutely the reason why people should be allowed to carry guns. </div></div>
Unfortuatly, that logic is lost on most people who's knee-jerk is to cry "BAN".
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according to a former nypd on fox news a minute ago, the perp went into his old employer and shot his old boss in the face, he was spotted leaving the building by 2 officers...a running gun fight insued and 10 people were hit with 2 of those being killed before the perp was killed...once again that was from a former nypd officer who was/is at scene.
according to a former nypd on fox news a minute ago, the perp went into his old employer and shot his old boss in the face, he was spotted leaving the building by 2 officers...a running gun fight insued and 10 people were hit with 2 of those being killed before the perp was killed...once again that was from a former nypd officer who was/is at scene.
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I think Bloomberg just said on Fox News that the shooter had a 45ACP with a 'magazine that holds eight rounds'.
In related news, NYC is about the most restrictive municipality in the country when it comes to handgun laws.
Hate to hear a man was killed, even more sorry to hear innocents were hit, glad to hear the NYPD put him down.
I think Bloomberg just said on Fox News that the shooter had a 45ACP with a 'magazine that holds eight rounds'.
In related news, NYC is about the most restrictive municipality in the country when it comes to handgun laws.
Hate to hear a man was killed, even more sorry to hear innocents were hit, glad to hear the NYPD put him down.
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Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"
Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"
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It's weird that the guy not following the law, killed people who were.
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It's weird that the guy not following the law, killed people who were.
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I hate to say it, but I think that most of the 9 bystanders were hit from the cop's stray bullets. From the press release they said that the security video showed him pull his gun on the officers, but they could't tell if he even fired before he was put down. Either way, I'm glad that none of the injuries were fatal (besides the first guy and the gunman).
I hate to say it, but I think that most of the 9 bystanders were hit from the cop's stray bullets. From the press release they said that the security video showed him pull his gun on the officers, but they could't tell if he even fired before he was put down. Either way, I'm glad that none of the injuries were fatal (besides the first guy and the gunman).
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This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went.
This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
And yet for the public, the guns, and not the ones shooting them, will get blamed. Sad commentary.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
And yet for the public, the guns, and not the ones shooting them, will get blamed. Sad commentary.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
What happens if we learn that NYPD inflicted more carnage than the shooter?
Will Bloomberg be calling to disarm the cops?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is based on the News Conference, things may change but my take is:
According to the Mayor's Statements. Bad guy shoots victom 3 times. Bad buy carrying a 45 pistol (7 or 8 rounds, who knows).
Cops comfront bad guy who pulls pistol, Cops shoot bad guy, unk if bad guy got any rounds off at cops.
9 others shot.............do the math.
And people wonder why I think cops should have stuck to revolvers where they have to learn to shoot instead of depending on spray and pray.
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
What happens if we learn that NYPD inflicted more carnage than the shooter?
Will Bloomberg be calling to disarm the cops?
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I think the truth is the cops injured more people in the ensuing shootout than the than the perp did. If the perp only pulled his gun on the cops he basically committed suicide by cop.
I think the truth is the cops injured more people in the ensuing shootout than the than the perp did. If the perp only pulled his gun on the cops he basically committed suicide by cop.
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if there is a bright side to this tragedy, it would be that only @9 innocent bystanders were caught up in the mix. for the time of day this took place, that area is quite busy. it would be unfortunate if most of said injuries were by friendlies.
if there is a bright side to this tragedy, it would be that only @9 innocent bystanders were caught up in the mix. for the time of day this took place, that area is quite busy. it would be unfortunate if most of said injuries were by friendlies.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krm375</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to think if that NY trigger had anything to do with those misses? </div></div>
DAO is a bear. What's their deal up there? 12 lbs.? I'm glad that the lawyers love it so much ...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: krm375</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to think if that NY trigger had anything to do with those misses? </div></div>
DAO is a bear. What's their deal up there? 12 lbs.? I'm glad that the lawyers love it so much ...
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Still early yet. Lots of details will emerge and very likely video from a variety of sources.
It's not the guns, it's the vicious and/or loony assholes that are the problem. I find it funny that the only obvious conclusion a rational person can be left with is that wipes like Bloomberg are OK with the legions of nut jobs and savages, it's just the guns that make them dangerous...
My 2 year old niece is more logical.
Still early yet. Lots of details will emerge and very likely video from a variety of sources.
It's not the guns, it's the vicious and/or loony assholes that are the problem. I find it funny that the only obvious conclusion a rational person can be left with is that wipes like Bloomberg are OK with the legions of nut jobs and savages, it's just the guns that make them dangerous...
My 2 year old niece is more logical.
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Maybe we need to ban cops too?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Nine others were hit by gunfire, including some who may have been struck by police bullets</span></span>
The two officers fired a total of 14 rounds, he said. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said some of the nine wounded may have been shot by police in the mayhem. Johnson's semi-automatic weapon was equipped to fire at least eight rounds; at least one round was left in the clip, police said.</div></div>
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...-08-24-11-49-15
Maybe we need to ban cops too?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Nine others were hit by gunfire, including some who may have been struck by police bullets</span></span>
The two officers fired a total of 14 rounds, he said. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said some of the nine wounded may have been shot by police in the mayhem. Johnson's semi-automatic weapon was equipped to fire at least eight rounds; at least one round was left in the clip, police said.</div></div>
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...-08-24-11-49-15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.
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city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div>
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So I guess that whole no guns in NYC thing didn't pan out. It's like people intent on breaking the law will...
So I guess that whole no guns in NYC thing didn't pan out. It's like people intent on breaking the law will...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div></div></div>
Guys, Im as leary of the cops as any of yuo, but in this situation, despite all the fuck ups, they were doing their jobs. They had to stop the guy with the gun. The fact that citizens were wounde is deplorable and shows a probable lack of training, but in the same situation, under that stress, Im not sure that any of us would have done too much better. Lets see what the video shows. NYC streets can be awfully crowded and bullets DO pass through bodies. I think the cops deserve a breakk on this one at least til we see what happened.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div></div></div>
Guys, Im as leary of the cops as any of yuo, but in this situation, despite all the fuck ups, they were doing their jobs. They had to stop the guy with the gun. The fact that citizens were wounde is deplorable and shows a probable lack of training, but in the same situation, under that stress, Im not sure that any of us would have done too much better. Lets see what the video shows. NYC streets can be awfully crowded and bullets DO pass through bodies. I think the cops deserve a breakk on this one at least til we see what happened.
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Maybe if they are honest about what happened the NYPD will use this incident as evidence that the NY trigger has to go.
Maybe if they are honest about what happened the NYPD will use this incident as evidence that the NY trigger has to go.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if they are honest about what happened the NYPD will use this incident as evidence that the NY trigger has to go. </div></div>
I wish you were right, but you need to understand who runs the show in this state.
Dems outnumber Pubs nearly 2:1 in NY, the die is cast.
You may not realize it, but your 2nd Amendment protections cease once you cross the NY border.
Welcome to my nightmare.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if they are honest about what happened the NYPD will use this incident as evidence that the NY trigger has to go. </div></div>
I wish you were right, but you need to understand who runs the show in this state.
Dems outnumber Pubs nearly 2:1 in NY, the die is cast.
You may not realize it, but your 2nd Amendment protections cease once you cross the NY border.
Welcome to my nightmare.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lack of training is not an excuse for wounding people with a deadly weapon. ie. gun.</div></div>
That's it right there. If the department doesn't have the funds its up to the individual cop to get the training and practice on his own.
He owes it to the city, the people he polices and to himself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lack of training is not an excuse for wounding people with a deadly weapon. ie. gun.</div></div>
That's it right there. If the department doesn't have the funds its up to the individual cop to get the training and practice on his own.
He owes it to the city, the people he polices and to himself.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lack of training is not an excuse for wounding people with a deadly weapon. ie. gun.</div></div>
That's it right there. If the department doesn't have the funds its up to the individual cop to get the training and practice on his own.
He owes it to the city, the people he polices and to himself. </div></div>
Kraig, NYPD's budget, let alone the average salary of a NYPD cop removes that excuse from the equation.
This is not a police force you'd seek to emulate as model.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lack of training is not an excuse for wounding people with a deadly weapon. ie. gun.</div></div>
That's it right there. If the department doesn't have the funds its up to the individual cop to get the training and practice on his own.
He owes it to the city, the people he polices and to himself. </div></div>
Kraig, NYPD's budget, let alone the average salary of a NYPD cop removes that excuse from the equation.
This is not a police force you'd seek to emulate as model.
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fwiw: two reporters announced all rounds fired by perp. were accounted for. all bystanders were friendly fire. press is wrong more often than right when things like this happen. most likely all settlements will be sealed however. a million will cover. won't even be a blip on the budget of nyc.
fwiw: two reporters announced all rounds fired by perp. were accounted for. all bystanders were friendly fire. press is wrong more often than right when things like this happen. most likely all settlements will be sealed however. a million will cover. won't even be a blip on the budget of nyc.
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Here it comes. Pierce Morgan asking a leading question of the victim's brother about how he feels about the issue of guns in America. To the man's credit he told Pierce that guns weren't the issue. He followed up by mentioning every shooting in recent weeks. Interestingly, he did admit and discuss the fact that all of the injured bystanders were hit by police bullets.
BTW: Is PM not familiar with what we did to the British last time they came over here trying to get rid of guns...?
Here it comes. Pierce Morgan asking a leading question of the victim's brother about how he feels about the issue of guns in America. To the man's credit he told Pierce that guns weren't the issue. He followed up by mentioning every shooting in recent weeks. Interestingly, he did admit and discuss the fact that all of the injured bystanders were hit by police bullets.
BTW: Is PM not familiar with what we did to the British last time they came over here trying to get rid of guns...?
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One news report said that "coincidently the Empire State Building was on a high security alert due to an anonymous call earlier this morning". Hmmm.
One news report said that "coincidently the Empire State Building was on a high security alert due to an anonymous call earlier this morning". Hmmm.
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It is pretty easy to say what you would have and should have done when you make your decisions from the comfort of your keyboard in your living room. You can say you would never miss and you would not take the shots, but you were not there. The LE don't have that luxury and they made their decisions during the heat of battle.
You don't have the facts on what happened and you were not there. Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.
It is pretty easy to say what you would have and should have done when you make your decisions from the comfort of your keyboard in your living room. You can say you would never miss and you would not take the shots, but you were not there. The LE don't have that luxury and they made their decisions during the heat of battle.
You don't have the facts on what happened and you were not there. Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.
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All nine bystanders were shot by the officers. According to a more updated story, the perp had an 8 round magazine, and fired five into his initial victim. After police shot and killed him, there were two left in his magazine, and one would assume one left in the chamber. The police fired 14 rounds and the perp was hit 4 times, which leaves 10 rounds unaccounted for. The perp has all of his rounds accounted for, which means all nine were struck by the officers.
Heres an exerpt from reddit about the progression of headlines after more and more information was made public:
9 shot by gunman > 2 dead, 9 wounded in attack > 2 dead, several "injured" > 2 dead in E.S.B. Shooting.
They don't even mention the 9 injured by police officers in the headline anymore, although the headlines for the NYT keep changing. The sad part is that this is going to be used to try to bring more gun control down on NYC.
EDIT: apparently now its 16 shots fired by the officers with 4 hitting the perp, so that leaves 12 rounds unaccounted for.
All nine bystanders were shot by the officers. According to a more updated story, the perp had an 8 round magazine, and fired five into his initial victim. After police shot and killed him, there were two left in his magazine, and one would assume one left in the chamber. The police fired 14 rounds and the perp was hit 4 times, which leaves 10 rounds unaccounted for. The perp has all of his rounds accounted for, which means all nine were struck by the officers.
Heres an exerpt from reddit about the progression of headlines after more and more information was made public:
9 shot by gunman > 2 dead, 9 wounded in attack > 2 dead, several "injured" > 2 dead in E.S.B. Shooting.
They don't even mention the 9 injured by police officers in the headline anymore, although the headlines for the NYT keep changing. The sad part is that this is going to be used to try to bring more gun control down on NYC.
EDIT: apparently now its 16 shots fired by the officers with 4 hitting the perp, so that leaves 12 rounds unaccounted for.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thebolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is pretty easy to say what you would have and should have done when you make your decisions from the comfort of your keyboard in your living room. You can say you would never miss and you would not take the shots, but you were not there. The LE don't have that luxury and they made their decisions during the heat of battle.
You don't have the facts on what happened and you were not there. Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.
</div></div>
How dare you inject logical reasoning and common sense into this discussion? Don't you know that everyone on here knows how to do the job better than those that are actually dodging the bullets?
The NYPD should be banned. Let the likes of KraigWY, Sharac and Mr. Gay Montag take on the task of patrolling the city how they see fit. Being that they always know how it should have been done, I think it'd be a win win for all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thebolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is pretty easy to say what you would have and should have done when you make your decisions from the comfort of your keyboard in your living room. You can say you would never miss and you would not take the shots, but you were not there. The LE don't have that luxury and they made their decisions during the heat of battle.
You don't have the facts on what happened and you were not there. Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.
</div></div>
How dare you inject logical reasoning and common sense into this discussion? Don't you know that everyone on here knows how to do the job better than those that are actually dodging the bullets?
The NYPD should be banned. Let the likes of KraigWY, Sharac and Mr. Gay Montag take on the task of patrolling the city how they see fit. Being that they always know how it should have been done, I think it'd be a win win for all.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div></div></div>
Guys, Im as leary of the cops as any of yuo, but in this situation, despite all the fuck ups, they were doing their jobs. They had to stop the guy with the gun. The fact that citizens were wounde is deplorable and shows a probable lack of training, but in the same situation, under that stress, Im not sure that any of us would have done too much better. Lets see what the video shows. NYC streets can be awfully crowded and bullets DO pass through bodies. I think the cops deserve a breakk on this one at least til we see what happened. </div></div>
So what your saying is "The ends justify the means"
Why not give the street cops MP5's then?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hajjwhisperer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad to hear it only held 8 otherwise it might have been called an "assault pistol"
"Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun"</div></div>
Man Murders Former Employer; NYPD Not To Be Outdone Respond With Mass Shooting.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">city will pay off the families. cops were doing their jobs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Cops are responsible for where those extra rounds went. </div></div></div></div>
Guys, Im as leary of the cops as any of yuo, but in this situation, despite all the fuck ups, they were doing their jobs. They had to stop the guy with the gun. The fact that citizens were wounde is deplorable and shows a probable lack of training, but in the same situation, under that stress, Im not sure that any of us would have done too much better. Lets see what the video shows. NYC streets can be awfully crowded and bullets DO pass through bodies. I think the cops deserve a breakk on this one at least til we see what happened. </div></div>
So what your saying is "The ends justify the means"
Why not give the street cops MP5's then?
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Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend.
Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.</div></div>
You're right....I should pin...................wait, I did, wore one for twenty years, was a firearms instructor for about 15 years of that....
Its a case of cops not knowing how to shoot, or worse, not giving a shit whether they can shoot or not.
Lets look at mental management a bit. Mental management is what we use to create Muscle Memory.
I'll give you an example from Linda Miller and keith Cunningham
s book: "Secrets of Mental Marksmanship".
They relate a story of a State trooper who made a traffic stop. When approaching the car as he got to the rear fender the drive came out with a shot gun wounding the trooper.
The next thing the trooper knew was he was reloading, scanning left and right. The bandit lay on the ground dead with seven rounds lacing him from belt buckle to sternum.
(Read the book, it has several such incidents. Under stress, muscle memory kicks in. Subconsciencly the trooper did what he was trained to do, what he practiced, and what he did in competition.
I shot a steel match with two FBI agents as competitors. They used their 40 cal pistols and severa mags to hit six plates and the stop plate. (I did it in a hair longer time wise but I used a revolver. I didn't have near the misses.
I mentioned to them, that on the street cops have to account for those spent rounds. I got a dirty look and haven't seen them since.
Sorry I'm not buying any excuse for cops wounding 9 bystanders while taking out the bad guy. Look at the percentage of NYPD, shots per hit. Its bullshit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.</div></div>
You're right....I should pin...................wait, I did, wore one for twenty years, was a firearms instructor for about 15 years of that....
Its a case of cops not knowing how to shoot, or worse, not giving a shit whether they can shoot or not.
Lets look at mental management a bit. Mental management is what we use to create Muscle Memory.
I'll give you an example from Linda Miller and keith Cunningham
s book: "Secrets of Mental Marksmanship".
They relate a story of a State trooper who made a traffic stop. When approaching the car as he got to the rear fender the drive came out with a shot gun wounding the trooper.
The next thing the trooper knew was he was reloading, scanning left and right. The bandit lay on the ground dead with seven rounds lacing him from belt buckle to sternum.
(Read the book, it has several such incidents. Under stress, muscle memory kicks in. Subconsciencly the trooper did what he was trained to do, what he practiced, and what he did in competition.
I shot a steel match with two FBI agents as competitors. They used their 40 cal pistols and severa mags to hit six plates and the stop plate. (I did it in a hair longer time wise but I used a revolver. I didn't have near the misses.
I mentioned to them, that on the street cops have to account for those spent rounds. I got a dirty look and haven't seen them since.
Sorry I'm not buying any excuse for cops wounding 9 bystanders while taking out the bad guy. Look at the percentage of NYPD, shots per hit. Its bullshit.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend. </div></div>
According to your profile, you don't even live in the city, yet you've become the resident subject matter expert on the inner workings of the NYPD.
Since you seem to have all the answers, why don't you c'mon down and show us how it oughta be done. If you're lucky, I might just bend you over and frisk you so you can experience first hand what you love to talk about so much.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend. </div></div>
According to your profile, you don't even live in the city, yet you've become the resident subject matter expert on the inner workings of the NYPD.
Since you seem to have all the answers, why don't you c'mon down and show us how it oughta be done. If you're lucky, I might just bend you over and frisk you so you can experience first hand what you love to talk about so much.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
I walked by that intersection every day for 2+ years on my way to work. I don't care how bad ass any of you here think you are or in fact are with a fire arm, you have no chance of getting into a shoot out there with small arms and not hitting a by standard. There are just too many people.
I am the first to say NYC cops suck compared to their peers in other states. They are generally, in my opinion, out of shape and not too bright. Could they have done it without hitting as many, probably, could they have done it without hitting any, I honestly can't envision that happening.
I walked by that intersection every day for 2+ years on my way to work. I don't care how bad ass any of you here think you are or in fact are with a fire arm, you have no chance of getting into a shoot out there with small arms and not hitting a by standard. There are just too many people.
I am the first to say NYC cops suck compared to their peers in other states. They are generally, in my opinion, out of shape and not too bright. Could they have done it without hitting as many, probably, could they have done it without hitting any, I honestly can't envision that happening.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.</div></div>
You're right....I should pin...................wait, I did, wore one for twenty years, was a firearms instructor for about 15 years of that....
Its a case of cops not knowing how to shoot, or worse, not giving a shit whether they can shoot or not.
Lets look at mental management a bit. Mental management is what we use to create Muscle Memory.
I'll give you an example from Linda Miller and keith Cunningham
s book: "Secrets of Mental Marksmanship".
They relate a story of a State trooper who made a traffic stop. When approaching the car as he got to the rear fender the drive came out with a shot gun wounding the trooper.
The next thing the trooper knew was he was reloading, scanning left and right. The bandit lay on the ground dead with seven rounds lacing him from belt buckle to sternum.
(Read the book, it has several such incidents. Under stress, muscle memory kicks in. Subconsciencly the trooper did what he was trained to do, what he practiced, and what he did in competition.
I shot a steel match with two FBI agents as competitors. They used their 40 cal pistols and severa mags to hit six plates and the stop plate. (I did it in a hair longer time wise but I used a revolver. I didn't have near the misses.
I mentioned to them, that on the street cops have to account for those spent rounds. I got a dirty look and haven't seen them since.
Sorry I'm not buying any excuse for cops wounding 9 bystanders while taking out the bad guy. Look at the percentage of NYPD, shots per hit. Its bullshit.
</div></div>
I'm guessing the reason you never saw the Feds again was not because of your comment about being accountable for every round (which I agree with) but probably because you come off as an arrogant "better than thou" prick. But that's just my UNeducated guess guess. I could be totally wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pin on the badge and learn what they have to deal with before you make your judgements.</div></div>
You're right....I should pin...................wait, I did, wore one for twenty years, was a firearms instructor for about 15 years of that....
Its a case of cops not knowing how to shoot, or worse, not giving a shit whether they can shoot or not.
Lets look at mental management a bit. Mental management is what we use to create Muscle Memory.
I'll give you an example from Linda Miller and keith Cunningham
s book: "Secrets of Mental Marksmanship".
They relate a story of a State trooper who made a traffic stop. When approaching the car as he got to the rear fender the drive came out with a shot gun wounding the trooper.
The next thing the trooper knew was he was reloading, scanning left and right. The bandit lay on the ground dead with seven rounds lacing him from belt buckle to sternum.
(Read the book, it has several such incidents. Under stress, muscle memory kicks in. Subconsciencly the trooper did what he was trained to do, what he practiced, and what he did in competition.
I shot a steel match with two FBI agents as competitors. They used their 40 cal pistols and severa mags to hit six plates and the stop plate. (I did it in a hair longer time wise but I used a revolver. I didn't have near the misses.
I mentioned to them, that on the street cops have to account for those spent rounds. I got a dirty look and haven't seen them since.
Sorry I'm not buying any excuse for cops wounding 9 bystanders while taking out the bad guy. Look at the percentage of NYPD, shots per hit. Its bullshit.
</div></div>
I'm guessing the reason you never saw the Feds again was not because of your comment about being accountable for every round (which I agree with) but probably because you come off as an arrogant "better than thou" prick. But that's just my UNeducated guess guess. I could be totally wrong.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend. </div></div>
According to your profile, you don't even live in the city, yet you've become the resident subject matter expert on the inner workings of the NYPD.
Since you seem to have all the answers, why don't you c'mon down and show us how it oughta be done. If you're lucky, I might just bend you over and frisk you so you can experience first hand what you love to talk about so much. </div></div>
I lived in NYC for nearly a decade after grad school, and got the hell out after finally realizing what a shithole it truly is. I still have friends and family in the Boroughs, and visit them several times a year, so spare me your attempt at distraction, I know NYC & NYPD. Having witnessed NYPD knuckledraggers like yourself routinely abuse their authority and wipe their arses with the Constitution, I'm FULLY qualified to speak on your department. You work for one of the most corrupt departments in the country and no amount of dancing on your part changes that reality. I KNOW who you are Slap, and why you're NYPD, just another drone who actually thinks he's a good guy. God help the people of NY while you're on the job. Try and constrain your homo-erotic desires, I'm not a switch hitter.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your fellow officers only managed to wing 9 innocents, while displaying the firearms proficiency of a 12yr old gang banger.
Carry on with towing that line Slap, it's what your good at, besides abusing the rights of NYers.
Best of luck with your Stop & Frisk efforts this weekend. </div></div>
According to your profile, you don't even live in the city, yet you've become the resident subject matter expert on the inner workings of the NYPD.
Since you seem to have all the answers, why don't you c'mon down and show us how it oughta be done. If you're lucky, I might just bend you over and frisk you so you can experience first hand what you love to talk about so much. </div></div>
I lived in NYC for nearly a decade after grad school, and got the hell out after finally realizing what a shithole it truly is. I still have friends and family in the Boroughs, and visit them several times a year, so spare me your attempt at distraction, I know NYC & NYPD. Having witnessed NYPD knuckledraggers like yourself routinely abuse their authority and wipe their arses with the Constitution, I'm FULLY qualified to speak on your department. You work for one of the most corrupt departments in the country and no amount of dancing on your part changes that reality. I KNOW who you are Slap, and why you're NYPD, just another drone who actually thinks he's a good guy. God help the people of NY while you're on the job. Try and constrain your homo-erotic desires, I'm not a switch hitter.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it???
We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it???
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
I wonder how many that got hit had cellphones filming at the time!
I wonder how many that got hit had cellphones filming at the time!
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm guessing the reason you never saw the Feds again was not because of your comment about being accountable for every round (which I agree with) but probably because you come off as an arrogant "better than thou" prick. But that's just my UNeducated guess guess. I could be totally wrong.</div></div>
Actually I made the comment in a quiet friendly voice.
But you're right, on any range I run, any match I conduct, or any class I teach, when it comes to firearms safety, I am a prick. But in my more then 35 years of training others, running ranges/matches I never got any one hurt.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm guessing the reason you never saw the Feds again was not because of your comment about being accountable for every round (which I agree with) but probably because you come off as an arrogant "better than thou" prick. But that's just my UNeducated guess guess. I could be totally wrong.</div></div>
Actually I made the comment in a quiet friendly voice.
But you're right, on any range I run, any match I conduct, or any class I teach, when it comes to firearms safety, I am a prick. But in my more then 35 years of training others, running ranges/matches I never got any one hurt.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it??? </div></div>
I think the difference is that the multitude of people near the Empire state building are actually productive, non parasites, on their way to or from work. I doubt any of them tried to milk the drama as they ran for their lives.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it??? </div></div>
I think the difference is that the multitude of people near the Empire state building are actually productive, non parasites, on their way to or from work. I doubt any of them tried to milk the drama as they ran for their lives.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Actually I made the comment in a quiet friendly voice.
But you're right, on any range I run, any match I conduct, or any class I teach, when it comes to firearms safety, I am a prick. But in my more then 35 years of training others, running ranges/matches I never got any one hurt.
</div></div>
In an equally friendly voice, you can take your ranges, classes, comps and matches and stick em up your ass.
Paper don't shoot back and not everyone gets to be born perfect like you. Personally I don't care about your resume. Until you're faced with the exact situation these guys had this morning, you're not one to judge.
The way you talk leads me to think that you don't have very much experience as a street cop. Probably spent most or all of your career in an inside gig as an "instructor". And I guess that now qualifies you to Monday Morning QB incidents you've probably never faced yourself and to bad mouth the guys that are dodging rounds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Actually I made the comment in a quiet friendly voice.
But you're right, on any range I run, any match I conduct, or any class I teach, when it comes to firearms safety, I am a prick. But in my more then 35 years of training others, running ranges/matches I never got any one hurt.
</div></div>
In an equally friendly voice, you can take your ranges, classes, comps and matches and stick em up your ass.
Paper don't shoot back and not everyone gets to be born perfect like you. Personally I don't care about your resume. Until you're faced with the exact situation these guys had this morning, you're not one to judge.
The way you talk leads me to think that you don't have very much experience as a street cop. Probably spent most or all of your career in an inside gig as an "instructor". And I guess that now qualifies you to Monday Morning QB incidents you've probably never faced yourself and to bad mouth the guys that are dodging rounds.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it </div></div>
Think about what you wrote. This doesn't have to be either/or, since both can be wrong. Just because bystanders might not duck and cover doesn't mean they can or should be shot. Besides, in THAT case the altercation happened over several minutes so people has time to leave the area. This case was different since likely the bystanders had no idea that the cops were about to shoot someone.
Fact is, no matter how you spin it, it will always come back to this: if you shoot an innocent because you missed the bad guy you have screwed up, period. There are simply no excuses for it, ever. I'm not saying these guys were not in a tough position, I'm not saying they weren't otherwise good dudes...but only at that moment they weren't up to the task, and thank God it didn't end up in another death.
Think of it this way... if concealed carry were legal in NYC and a citizen in self defense shot nine bystanders in addition to the bad guy, do you think the NYPD would have him in a cell right now or not? I think we all know the answer to that.
For those of us who carry concealed, are a LEO, military, or anyone who could potentially have to use deadly force, situations like this are an unfortunate opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others. While it is right and proper to point out the errors, it is far more important to analyze our own readiness and train as necessary so that we can ensure we will do better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it </div></div>
Think about what you wrote. This doesn't have to be either/or, since both can be wrong. Just because bystanders might not duck and cover doesn't mean they can or should be shot. Besides, in THAT case the altercation happened over several minutes so people has time to leave the area. This case was different since likely the bystanders had no idea that the cops were about to shoot someone.
Fact is, no matter how you spin it, it will always come back to this: if you shoot an innocent because you missed the bad guy you have screwed up, period. There are simply no excuses for it, ever. I'm not saying these guys were not in a tough position, I'm not saying they weren't otherwise good dudes...but only at that moment they weren't up to the task, and thank God it didn't end up in another death.
Think of it this way... if concealed carry were legal in NYC and a citizen in self defense shot nine bystanders in addition to the bad guy, do you think the NYPD would have him in a cell right now or not? I think we all know the answer to that.
For those of us who carry concealed, are a LEO, military, or anyone who could potentially have to use deadly force, situations like this are an unfortunate opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others. While it is right and proper to point out the errors, it is far more important to analyze our own readiness and train as necessary so that we can ensure we will do better.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it </div></div>
Think about what you wrote. This doesn't have to be either/or, since both can be wrong. Just because bystanders might not duck and cover doesn't mean they can or should be shot. Besides, in THAT case the altercation happened over several minutes so people has time to leave the area. This case was different since likely the bystanders had no idea that the cops were about to shoot someone.
Fact is, no matter how you spin it, it will always come back to this: if you shoot an innocent because you missed the bad guy you have screwed up, period. There are simply no excuses for it, ever. I'm not saying these guys were not in a tough position, I'm not saying they weren't otherwise good dudes...but only at that moment they weren't up to the task, and thank God it didn't end up in another death.
Think of it this way... if concealed carry were legal in NYC and a citizen in self defense shot nine bystanders in addition to the bad guy, do you think the NYPD would have him in a cell right now or not? I think we all know the answer to that.
For those of us who carry concealed, are a LEO, military, or anyone who could potentially have to use deadly force, situations like this are an unfortunate opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others. While it is right and proper to point out the errors, it is far more important to analyze our own readiness and train as necessary so that we can ensure we will do better.
</div></div>
I guess I'll just wait to see the uploaded footage from all the bystanders on scene... its more than likely already on the Web, but my wifi is being slow.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got a funny group here!!!
SH thread from 11 days ago
11 days ago, people were unsympathetic to crowd gatherers getting hypothetically shot in an altercation like this.
But now that it actually has happened, everybody wants the cops heads to roll!
So what the fuck is it </div></div>
Think about what you wrote. This doesn't have to be either/or, since both can be wrong. Just because bystanders might not duck and cover doesn't mean they can or should be shot. Besides, in THAT case the altercation happened over several minutes so people has time to leave the area. This case was different since likely the bystanders had no idea that the cops were about to shoot someone.
Fact is, no matter how you spin it, it will always come back to this: if you shoot an innocent because you missed the bad guy you have screwed up, period. There are simply no excuses for it, ever. I'm not saying these guys were not in a tough position, I'm not saying they weren't otherwise good dudes...but only at that moment they weren't up to the task, and thank God it didn't end up in another death.
Think of it this way... if concealed carry were legal in NYC and a citizen in self defense shot nine bystanders in addition to the bad guy, do you think the NYPD would have him in a cell right now or not? I think we all know the answer to that.
For those of us who carry concealed, are a LEO, military, or anyone who could potentially have to use deadly force, situations like this are an unfortunate opportunity to learn from the mistakes of others. While it is right and proper to point out the errors, it is far more important to analyze our own readiness and train as necessary so that we can ensure we will do better.
</div></div>
I guess I'll just wait to see the uploaded footage from all the bystanders on scene... its more than likely already on the Web, but my wifi is being slow.
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zwhetz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate to say it, but I think that most of the 9 bystanders were hit from the cop's stray bullets. From the press release they said that the security video showed him pull his gun on the officers, but they could't tell if he even fired before he was put down. Either way, I'm glad that none of the injuries were fatal (besides the first guy and the gunman). </div></div>
In this instance it was actually the <span style="font-weight: bold">POLICE </span>who injured and or killed the other bystanders outside the office building!
<span style="font-weight: bold">What now? Are they going to start banning police handguns and issue nightsticks only ... like freakin' english bobbies? </span>
Standing by for major lawsuits with the City of NY as the Defendant. How is Fox News going to report THAT? It will end up a byline. I'd bet my bottom dollar!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zwhetz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate to say it, but I think that most of the 9 bystanders were hit from the cop's stray bullets. From the press release they said that the security video showed him pull his gun on the officers, but they could't tell if he even fired before he was put down. Either way, I'm glad that none of the injuries were fatal (besides the first guy and the gunman). </div></div>
In this instance it was actually the <span style="font-weight: bold">POLICE </span>who injured and or killed the other bystanders outside the office building!
<span style="font-weight: bold">What now? Are they going to start banning police handguns and issue nightsticks only ... like freakin' english bobbies? </span>
Standing by for major lawsuits with the City of NY as the Defendant. How is Fox News going to report THAT? It will end up a byline. I'd bet my bottom dollar!
Re: more BS for NY'rs inbound.
I knew a guy who was accidently shot through the chest by the cops in our small city... And he got $500,000 from our small city, plus medical bills paid for.
Can't wait to hear how much each of these victims get from one of the worlds largest and most popular cities!
I knew a guy who was accidently shot through the chest by the cops in our small city... And he got $500,000 from our small city, plus medical bills paid for.
Can't wait to hear how much each of these victims get from one of the worlds largest and most popular cities!
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