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Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Never one to back away from a fight, Lance Armstrong is finally giving in and the cost of quitting is steep: His seven Tour de France titles could be gone as soon as Friday.

The superstar cyclist, whose stirring victories after his comeback from cancer helped him transcend sports, chose not to pursue arbitration in the drug case brought against him by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. That was his last option in his bitter fight with USADA and his decision set the stage for the titles to be stripped and his name to be all but wiped from the record books of the sport he once ruled.

<span style="color: #FF0000">Travis Tygart, USADA's chief executive, left no doubt that was the next step. He said Armstrong would lose the titles as soon as Friday and be hit with a lifetime ban, even though he is retired and turning 41 next month.</span>

Tygart said the UCI, the sport's governing body, was "bound to recognize our decision and impose it" as a signer of the World Anti-Doping Code.

"They have no choice but to strip the titles under the code," he said.

On Friday, the International Cycling Union said not so fast. The UCI, which had backed Armstrong's legal challenge to USADA's authority, cited the same World Anti-Doping Code in saying that it wanted the USADA to explain why Armstrong should lose his titles.

The UCI said the code requires this in cases "where no hearing occurs."

Armstrong clearly knew his legacy would be blemished by his decision. He said he has grown tired of defending himself in a seemingly never-ending fight against charges that he doped while piling up more Tour victories than anyone ever. He has consistently pointed to the hundreds of drug tests that he passed as proof of his innocence during his extraordinary run of Tour titles from 1999 to 2005.

"There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, 'Enough is enough.' For me, that time is now," Armstrong said Thursday night, hours before the deadline to enter arbitration. He called the USADA investigation an "unconstitutional witch hunt."

"I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999," he said. "The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today - finished with this nonsense."

USADA treated Armstrong's decision as an admission of guilt, hanging the label of drug cheat on an athlete who was a hero to thousands for overcoming life-threatening testicular cancer and for his foundation's support for cancer research. Armstrong could lose other awards, event titles and cash earnings, and the International Olympic Committee might look at the bronze medal he won in the 2000 Games.

"It is a sad day for all of us who love sport and athletes," Tygart said. "It's a heartbreaking example of win-at-all-costs overtaking the fair and safe option. There's no success in cheating to win."

Johan Bruyneel, Armstrong's longtime coach, said the Texan is a victim of a legal process run amok.

"Lance has never withdrawn from a fair fight in his life so his decision today underlines what an unjust process this has been," Bruyneel wrote on his personal website on Friday.

While Tygart said the agency can strip the Tour titles, Armstrong disputed that, insisting his decision is not an admission of guilt but a refusal to enter an arbitration process he believes is unfair.

"USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles," he said. "I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours."

Armstrong's comments notwithstanding, USADA has exercised its power to sanction athletes and strip their results regularly. Its website shows that it has issued 21 sanctions in 2012 so far in sports ranging from cycling to track to boxing to judo, with 17 of the athletes losing their results.

At the headquarters of Tour organizer ASO outside of Paris on Friday, spokesman Fabrice Tiano said Tour director Christian Prudhomme was not immediately available for comment because he was in urgent meetings about the case.

Armstrong walked away from the sport for good in 2011 without being charged following a two-year federal criminal investigation into many of the same accusations he faces from USADA.

The federal probe was closed in February, but USADA announced in June it had evidence Armstrong used banned substances and methods - and encouraged their use by teammates. The agency also said it had blood tests from 2009 and 2010 that were "fully consistent" with blood doping.

Included in USADA's evidence were emails written by Armstrong's former U.S. Postal Service teammate Floyd Landis, who was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after a positive drug test. Landis' emails to a USA Cycling official detailed allegations of a complex doping program on the team.

USADA also said it had 10 former Armstrong teammates ready to testify against him. Other than suggesting they include Landis and Tyler Hamilton, both of whom have admitted to doping offenses, the agency has refused to say who they are or specifically what they would say.

USADA maintains that Armstrong used banned substances as far back as 1996, including the blood-booster EPO and steroids, as well as blood transfusions.

"There is zero physical evidence to support (the) outlandish and heinous claims," Armstrong said. "The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of (doping) controls I have passed with flying colors."

Armstrong sued USADA in Austin, Texas, where he lives, in an attempt to block the case and was supported by the UCI. A judge threw out the case on Monday, siding with USADA despite questioning the agency's pursuit of Armstrong in his retirement.

"USADA's conduct raises serious questions about whether its real interest in charging Armstrong is to combat doping, or if it is acting according to less noble motives," such as politics or publicity, U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks wrote.

The ultra-competitive Armstrong still had the option to press his innocence in arbitration, which would have included a hearing during which evidence against him would have been presented. But the cyclist has said he believes most people have already made up their minds about whether he's a fraud or a persecuted hero.

And so he did something virtually unthinkable for him: He quit before a fight was over, a stunning move for an athlete who built his reputation on not only beating cancer, but forcing himself through grueling offseason workouts no one else could match, then crushing his rivals in the Alps and the Pyrenees.

"Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances," he said. "I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities."

Although he had already been crowned a world champion and won individual stages at the Tour de France, Armstrong was still relatively unknown in the U.S. until he won the epic race for the first time in 1999. It was the ultimate comeback tale: When diagnosed with cancer, doctors had given him less than a 50 percent chance of survival before surgery and brutal cycles of chemotherapy saved his life.

Armstrong's riveting victories, his work for cancer awareness and his gossip-page romances with rocker Sheryl Crow, fashion designer Tory Burch and actress Kate Hudson made him a figure who transcended sports.

His dominance of the Tour de France elevated the sport's popularity in the U.S. to unprecedented levels. His story and success helped sell millions of the "Livestrong" plastic yellow wrist bracelets, and enabled him to enlist lawmakers and global policymakers to promote cancer awareness and research. His Lance Armstrong Foundation has raised nearly $500 million since its founding in 1997.

Jeffery C. Gervey, chairman of the foundation, issued a statement of support.

"Faced with a biased process whose outcome seems predetermined, Lance chose to put his family and his foundation first," Gervey said. "The leadership of the Lance Armstrong Foundation remain incredibly proud of our founder's achievements, both on and off the bike."

Questions surfaced even as Armstrong was on his way to his first Tour victory. He was leading the 1999 race when a trace amount of a banned anti-inflammatory corticosteroid was found in his urine; cycling officials said he was authorized to use a small amount of a cream to treat saddle sores.

After Armstrong's second victory in 2000, French judicial officials investigated his Postal Service team for drug use. That investigation ended with no charges, but the allegations kept coming.

Others close to Armstrong were caught up in the investigations, too: Bruyneel, the coach of Armstrong's teams, and three members of the medical staff and a consultant were also charged. Bruyneel is taking his case to arbitration, while two medical team staffers and consulting doctor Michele Ferrari didn't formally contest the charges and were issued lifetime bans by USADA. Ferrari later said he was innocent.

Armstrong was criticized for his relationship with Ferrari, who was banned by Italian authorities over doping charges in 2002. Former personal and team assistants accused Armstrong of having steroids in an apartment in Spain and disposing of syringes that were used for injections.

In 2004, a Dallas-based promotions company initially refused to pay him a $5 million bonus for winning his sixth Tour de France because it wanted to investigate allegations raised by media in Europe. Testimony in that case included former teammate Frankie Andreu and his wife, Betsy, saying Armstrong told doctors during his 1996 cancer treatments that he had taken a cornucopia of steroids and performance-enhancing drugs.

Two books published in Europe, "L.A. Confidential" and "L.A. Official," also raised doping allegations and, in 2005, French magazine L'Equipe reported that retested urine samples from the 1999 Tour showed EPO use.

Armstrong fought every accusation with denials and, in some cases, lawsuits against media outlets that reported them.

He retired in 2005 and almost immediately considered a comeback before deciding to stay on the sidelines - in part because he didn't want to keep answering doping questions. Three years later, Armstrong was 36 and itching to ride again. He came back to finish third in the 2009 Tour de France.

Armstrong raced again in 2010 under the cloud of the federal investigation. Early last year, he quit for good, making a brief return as a triathlete until the USADA investigation shut him down.

"He had a right to contest the charges," WADA President John Fahey said after Armstrong's announcement. "He chose not to. The simple fact is that his refusal to examine the evidence means the charges had substance in them." <span style="color: #3333FF"><--Or he just gave up trying to convince people...</span>
 
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If I'm missing something please enlighten me. So this USADA just suspects doping because he was a badass and because he isn't fighting frivolous claims he is automatically guilty? USADA has no proof just Armstrong's unwillingness to fight back? WTF?

Why would an American organization be throwing one of their own under the bus like this? Then an International organization comes to his defense? Something isn't right.
 
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That is a bunch of Crap!! If he passed all of the drug test leave the man alone!!Just because the man is the ultimate bike riding bad a$$ they want to say he cheated, not cool!
 
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Thats crazy! No evidence except heresay from mainly admitted dopers
 
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Where there's smoke.... Birds of a feather (teammates)....


Lance's life ..... seems like 2nd Sam, prophecy of Nathan is analogous....



Does this mean all of you get a refund on your yellow plastic wrist thingy?



Good luck

 
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I'm just wandering how far down the line the line the sanctioning body has to go to find a dope free winner

Sounds to me like dopers pointing fingers.
 
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NO PROOF. No positive tests. No physical evidence.

A two-year federal investigation, where USADA 'investigators' participated, found NOTHING.

USADA's case consists of circumstantial evidence and hearsay from admitted dopers who were CAUGHT.

Guilty until proven innocent...gotta love that...
 
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Waste of taxpayer money. USADA should be de-funded until Travis Tygart resigns.

The bottom line is that technology is making people better. Doesn't mean we get to live longer, yet, but we can be stronger, faster, and have tremendous endurance at little risk to our longevity (and at some point we may live longer). And in dangerous lines of work be it, fire fighting, law enforcement or military, there's probably an advantage to being superior to the next guy.

It's inevitable so why not embrace it.

Well, I'm off to the wellness clinic to get my body put back in balance. Never though 50 would be so smooth. Wish these clinics existed when I was much younger. HA!
 
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I'm going to opine on this as I am both a cyclist and triathlete and watching the TDF has been a family tradition as long as I've had a family.

I don't know if Lance is guilty or not; only he (and maybe a few others) know. Now I try to be as objective as possible so I'm going to look at it from both sides.

IF Lance is innocent, why in the world would he stop fighting, especially since he has so much to lose? He says he doesn't have the financial resources to fight it? BULLSHIT. Isn't this the guy that fought back from the brink of death? Isn't this the guy that's a multi-millionaire? Where is his integrity? If I was in his shoes and innocent, I would fight to the death with my last penny to prove my innocence. If all the accusers and witnesses for the prosecution are full of shit let that come out in court. I think he's giving up because he knows his goose is cooked.

Now Lance has never been tested positive so there is no physical proof. At best there is circumstancial evidence and the testimony of witnesses for the prosecution.

I'm going to wait and see what happens because IF he's guilty, it will come out. But the fact that he's not willing to fight it leaves many questions unanswered.
 
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"Well, I guess if a person never quit when the going got tough, they wouldn't have anything to regret for the rest of their life." -Lance Armstrong, Dodgeball

I know it's a movie but it's still kind of funny
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm going to opine on this as I am both a cyclist and triathlete and watching the TDF has been a family tradition as long as I've had a family.

I don't know if Lance is guilty or not; only he (and maybe a few others) know. Now I try to be as objective as possible so I'm going to look at it from both sides.

IF Lance is innocent, why in the world would he stop fighting, especially since he has so much to lose? He says he doesn't have the financial resources to fight it? BULLSHIT. Isn't this the guy that fought back from the brink of death? Isn't this the guy that's a multi-millionaire? Where is his integrity? If I was in his shoes and innocent, I would fight to the death with my last penny to prove my innocence. If all the accusers and witnesses for the prosecution are full of shit let that come out in court. I think he's giving up because he knows his goose is cooked.

Now Lance has never been tested positive so there is no physical proof. At best there is circumstancial evidence and the testimony of witnesses for the prosecution.

I'm going to wait and see what happens because IF he's guilty, it will come out. But the fact that he's not willing to fight it leaves many questions unanswered. </div></div>

Understood, Mike, but sometimes you "just get tired of the fighting bullshit" and want to be left alone to live your life. THAT I understand really well though I cant exactly put it into words. I dont know if he did steroids or not; the tests would seem to indicate in the negative. But in my book the man is a winner on multiple levels. Fuck the USADA. Lance/ +7 USADA/ -1
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Understood, Mike, but sometimes you "just get tired of the fighting bullshit" and want to be left alone to live your life. THAT I understand really well though I cant exactly put it into words. I dont know if he did steroids or not; the tests would seem to indicate in the negative. But in my book the man is a winner on multiple levels. Fuck the USADA. Lance/ +7 USADA/ -1</div></div>

It just seems like there is SO much to lose. It doesn't seem to be a trivial issue that can be swept aside as a "he said, he said" deal. This is the man's entire existence and life. Wouldn't a court victory put to bed all accusations? Couldn't he stop fighting after he won this epic battle?
 
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He is banned from the iron mans if I understand correctly
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just wandering how far down the line the line the sanctioning body has to go to find a dope free winner

Sounds to me like dopers pointing fingers.
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I think it is dopers pointing fingers........ at other dopers.

Statistically not many folks have the genetics to win a TDF, now stop and consider the number that can do the same after surgery on their sack, their mellon and chemo therapy...

Think he got a little replacement Test since he got his sack operated on? Think he may have abused that a little? Think the results were good and he moved on to better living through modern chemistry?

There is so much money, national pride, validation of ones chosen way of life wrapped up in that level of cycling that it is like any other sport.

Finding someone at that level that is just eating their Wheaties, taking aspirin, and getting high on fresh air and sunshine is not likely to happen. Masking drug test results is sophisticated for a reason, and the reason is money.

I do think it was a waste tax payer money - we're $16T debt. Who gives a shit if Larry Taylor was his domestique - riding next to him shoving a crack pipe in his mouth, and a needle in his ass?

Good luck
 
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He won those titles and the world watched him win those titles. Having his name in the record books and owning trophies and medals are not as important as financial comfort. He's probably burning through cash in litigation fees and since he's retired from cycling he knows endorsements will start to fade away. I think it's bullshit what he's going through but after so many years of nonsense back and forth blaming/defending he probably just wants to move on in life.
 
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Lance is banned for life from all USADA-sanctioned events. That's basically every sporting event that does drug testing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...He's probably burning through cash in litigation fees and since he's retired from cycling....</div></div>
I lost track but at last count he had more than 10 $1000+ an hour lawyers on retainer.

If you believe he's innocent, I think there's two questions you need to answer if you want your opinion to be taken seriously, because these are serious questions.

First, why would USADA have such a grudge against Lance? I mean, this is the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">American</span></span> anti-doping agency, not the Frogs. Did he get somebody's daughter pregnant or what? You can't believe this was easy for them to do, that there are no consequences to USADA staffers. Their names are known, their faces are known, and the reporters know where they work and where they live. And the fallout on both sides has only begun. If the USADA doesn't have evidence that convinces them that he's guilty, what possibly could be motivating them to tar America's greatest professional cycling hero?

Second, if he didn't dope, how did he manage to beat all those people who <span style="text-decoration: underline">did</span> dope over the world's longest and most grueling stage race? And then repeat the feat six more times?

If you look at Lance's seven wins in the TdF, and drill down in the results to find the rider finishing highest who still to this day has never been caught doping, from 1999 to 2005, they run 7th place, 10th, 4th, 10th, 5th, 8th and 8th place. Which makes it pretty blatant that it's a sport full of dopers and Lance was just another vein in the crowd. The only difference is he was better at covering his tracks.

More than 20 of Lance's former teammates have tested positive for doping, yet none of this happened until <span style="text-decoration: underline">after</span> they'd left Lance's employ. How can you explain that? Does that mean they managed to ride up to Lance's standards without doping, then took up the habit once exposed to some other team's corruptive influences? Or might that mean that Lance never taught them everything he knew about not getting caught? Or maybe they just got sloppy.

The elephant in the room is that pro cycling grew up swathed in doping, and has never outrun its past. Yes, they had anti-doping rules but the Tour de France in particular had never tested for drugs until 1966 (and that sparked a rider protest). Except they never stopped doping. The very next year, Tom Simpson's heart exploded on the climb up Mount Ventoux because he'd OD'd on amphetamines.

But the doping changed from something riders did just to help them get through a rough stage or over a bad day and into something that was a requirement to being competitive for GC when EPO arrived. It was Lance's good fortune that he managed to secure the exclusive services of the world's foremost doping doctor, Michelle Ferrari, who was the developer of the microdosing technique that now is <span style="font-style: italic">de rigueur</span> in pro cycling.

My hunch is that the reason Lance has given up the fight is he knows what's in some of the grand jury testimonies secured by Jeff Novitzky, which now are property of the USADA. If Lance appeals the decision, those testimonies enter the public record. One of those testimonies, the one with the most "gravitas," is from George Hincappie, his lieutenant through all seven TdF wins, and about whom Lance has never yet spoken an ill word. Everybody who follows cycling knows that George is the canary in Lance's coal mine. If word ever sees the light of day that Georgie swore an oath that he had witnessed Lance doping, you can stick him with a fork.

But it's a good day to be Jan Ullrich. Yesterday, he was just another one-time TdF winner. Today, he's second on the tally list with four wins, two seconds and a third.
 
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You mean Jan Ulrich, the doper? Well, just recreational drugs anyway.

Drug testing is a joke (think all Chinese strength and endurance athletes). They are the new East Germany. But for that matter, most of the Americans are probably enhanced as well (along with everyone else). At some point, no test will succeed because you'll have geneticists snipping testosterone DNA fragments and custom growing the stuff in stem cells from the person they got it from. Good luck finding genetically matched hormones from natural sources. They'll never find that, ever.

Armstrong never flunked a test. Whether or not someone witnessed him doping is irrelevant because perhaps he was shooting saline, B12 or who cares. Bottom line is he passed 500 tests and others didn't.

Finally, even the judge that threw out Armstrong's case against USADA found it perplexing that USADA would resort so much effort to an issue that appears to be on the verge of a witch hunt. I'm paraphrasing but I don't think the Judge liked Tygart's case and might have thrown it out assuming he felt he had jurisdiction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-armstrongs-case-against-184144899--spt.html
 
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The big question is this; if he doped for as long as the USADA claims, how deep does the conspiracy go? He has not tested positive, there is no actual proof, and even after a 2 year investigation, nothing, nada, zlich, zip. How is it possible that he could not have tested positive somewhere along the way? Everyone else, including past team members, have been caught. How did he slide through?
 
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This is TOTAL bullshit....... These people must have a vendetta against him, PERIOD! I think the reason why he quit fighting is this, MONEY. It prolly will cost him 10+ Million dollars to fight this shit. Its not worth the money, in his mind.
 
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You know there are other people that have been chastised for doing or saying certain things and gone on to greatness. Former presidents, inventors.
Believe what you will, Lance has done far more with his help and research to help others than this this bicycle issue and that is what counts. Sometimes you get to chose your fights and he has chosen the one that matters. Lance, good luck and you will always have a follower and support since our 8th grade year at Bowman.
 
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Whether he did or did not dope, he passed all his drug tests. Second, isn't the TDF a French event, how can USADA strip him of those titles. Would it not be the French who would do that?
This seemed like a witch hunt for people to smear this guy.
 
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Dont care if he dopes......people actually have to work hard...even on steroids...average joe cant win 7 tour de France..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where there's smoke.....

10 yrs worth: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872..._LEFTTopStories </div></div>

Witch Hunt

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Typical destroyers,

Never could have ever beens with a hatred for anyone truly exceptional, doing whatever it takes to destroy those that did just to make themselves feel more powerful.

Probably one of the most tested ever athletes & they can't find a single admissible test to prove his guilt so they say all the test results from years and years don't count but the word of a couple busted guilty sore loosers is more important.

It is very likely that Lance simply got sick and tired of these same destroyers hounding him endlessly & decided he didn't have to sit for yet another kangaroo court and gave them all the big middle finger and told them to take all the money they made off him and shove it.
 
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Time will tell. Time will tell.

I still don't understand how, if the accusers were full of shit, Lance doesn't sue for defamation of character and defend himself. Does Lance "not fighting" these accusations eliminate them or stop the accusers?

As I mentioned before, he's due to compete professionally in Ironman races. One year of sponsorship alone would more than cover his legal expenses while fighting this. Didn't Nike say they were staying with him regardless?

I don't know that he's guilty, but I cannot believe that a completely innocent man with zero culpability is being incessantly hounded by those whose agenda is driven solely by jealousy of his success.
 
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Those of you who think it's a witch hunt because there's "no evidence," there's more direct evidence of Lance doping than there was that O.J. killed Ron and Nicole.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RobG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The big question is this; if he doped for as long as the USADA claims, how deep does the conspiracy go? He has not tested positive, there is no actual proof, and even after a 2 year investigation, nothing, nada, zlich, zip. How is it possible that he could not have tested positive somewhere along the way? Everyone else, including past team members, have been caught. How did he slide through? </div></div>
The conspiracy goes all the way to Dick Pound and Pat McQuaid. He had plenty of positives. It's just that nobody outside the bicycling subculture bothers to keep track of this stuff.

The 500 Tests/Never tested positive lie

The Evidence

Look for lots more damning details in the next couple of weeks.
 
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Yes, and Jamaica has a population of 3,000,000 out of the 7,000,000,000 that live here and yet the 3 fastest men on the planet happened to be born there. But no one is trying to take their medals away.

If Armstrong failed a test, they would have yanked him from a race like they did so many during the tours he road. Retrospective testing is a witch hunt. If it wasn't, all the riders would have failed. It's a joke.
 
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Regardless either way..... He WON all 7. Even if he did, which I fully doubt, he still did it with his legs, on a bicycle, in front of every other competitor out there to get the win. doping didn't and can't help that much. Period. Also he probably got sick and tired of the whole deal and told em to go shove it. I have been there before and know fully where he would be coming from and I wasn't in near the situation he is in. Just my .02
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where there's smoke.....

10 yrs worth: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872..._LEFTTopStories </div></div>

I don't know dude... The way I read that article, it seems that the USADA was going about their "investigation" in a dirty and underhanded way... Much the same as they claim Armstrong was covering any kind of doping...

It's not like I know the man personally, so it's hard for me to make a character call.

Regardless, I'd like to think he is infact innocent. For a lot of reasons. Not to mention the hope and insiration that he has given many of our brothers that have or are going through the same fight. And to be honest, in that respect, wouldn't you do ANYTHING to win?

This year in the US, 8590 men will be diagnosed with testicular cancer, 360 will die(www.cancer.org). What Armstrong went through is the same as these 8590. He went on to show us that you can still live to kick ass after kicking cancer's ass.

So yeah, sure, strip a retired cancer survivor of his acheivements.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lance is banned for life from all USADA-sanctioned events. That's basically every sporting event that does drug testing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...He's probably burning through cash in litigation fees and since he's retired from cycling....</div></div>
I lost track but at last count he had more than 10 $1000+ an hour lawyers on retainer.

If you believe he's innocent, I think there's two questions you need to answer if you want your opinion to be taken seriously, because these are serious questions.

First, why would USADA have such a grudge against Lance? I mean, this is the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">American</span></span> anti-doping agency, not the Frogs. Did he get somebody's daughter pregnant or what? You can't believe this was easy for them to do, that there are no consequences to USADA staffers. Their names are known, their faces are known, and the reporters know where they work and where they live. And the fallout on both sides has only begun. If the USADA doesn't have evidence that convinces them that he's guilty, what possibly could be motivating them to tar America's greatest professional cycling hero?

Second, if he didn't dope, how did he manage to beat all those people who <span style="text-decoration: underline">did</span> dope over the world's longest and most grueling stage race? And then repeat the feat six more times?

If you look at Lance's seven wins in the TdF, and drill down in the results to find the rider finishing highest who still to this day has never been caught doping, from 1999 to 2005, they run 7th place, 10th, 4th, 10th, 5th, 8th and 8th place. Which makes it pretty blatant that it's a sport full of dopers and Lance was just another vein in the crowd. The only difference is he was better at covering his tracks.

More than 20 of Lance's former teammates have tested positive for doping, yet none of this happened until <span style="text-decoration: underline">after</span> they'd left Lance's employ. How can you explain that? Does that mean they managed to ride up to Lance's standards without doping, then took up the habit once exposed to some other team's corruptive influences? Or might that mean that Lance never taught them everything he knew about not getting caught? Or maybe they just got sloppy.

The elephant in the room is that pro cycling grew up swathed in doping, and has never outrun its past. Yes, they had anti-doping rules but the Tour de France in particular had never tested for drugs until 1966 (and that sparked a rider protest). Except they never stopped doping. The very next year, Tom Simpson's heart exploded on the climb up Mount Ventoux because he'd OD'd on amphetamines.

But the doping changed from something riders did just to help them get through a rough stage or over a bad day and into something that was a requirement to being competitive for GC when EPO arrived. It was Lance's good fortune that he managed to secure the exclusive services of the world's foremost doping doctor, Michelle Ferrari, who was the developer of the microdosing technique that now is <span style="font-style: italic">de rigueur</span> in pro cycling.

My hunch is that the reason Lance has given up the fight is he knows what's in some of the grand jury testimonies secured by Jeff Novitzky, which now are property of the USADA. If Lance appeals the decision, those testimonies enter the public record. One of those testimonies, the one with the most "gravitas," is from George Hincappie, his lieutenant through all seven TdF wins, and about whom Lance has never yet spoken an ill word. Everybody who follows cycling knows that George is the canary in Lance's coal mine. If word ever sees the light of day that Georgie swore an oath that he had witnessed Lance doping, you can stick him with a fork.

But it's a good day to be Jan Ullrich. Yesterday, he was just another one-time TdF winner. Today, he's second on the tally list with four wins, two seconds and a third. </div></div>

Were not his odds of surviving his ball cancer in the single digits? Yet he did. Perhaps he is just an exceptional person.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

People keep talking about his testicular cancer but as I recall, he also had brain cancer as well.

USADA are a bunch of scum suckin vermin as far as I'm concerned. They're breaking their own rules to persecute him.

And IF he was doping, AND IF as some claim, all cyclists dope, then one doper beat a whole bunch of other dopers. I mean they're <span style="font-style: italic">all</span> guilty right?
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AznDragon533</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont care if he dopes......people actually have to work hard...even on steroids...average joe cant win 7 tour de France..</div></div>

This is pretty much how I feel about it. The man is one hell of an athlete and that is one thing they can't take away even if he was doping.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Time will tell. Time will tell.

I still don't understand how, if the accusers were full of shit, Lance doesn't sue for defamation of character and defend himself. Does Lance "not fighting" these accusations eliminate them or stop the accusers?

As I mentioned before, he's due to compete professionally in Ironman races. One year of sponsorship alone would more than cover his legal expenses while fighting this. Didn't Nike say they were staying with him regardless?

I don't know that he's guilty, but I cannot believe that a completely innocent man with zero culpability is being incessantly hounded by those whose agenda is driven solely by jealousy of his success. </div></div>

I seem to recall a CBS show ``60 Minutes`` where two of Lances teammates who had admitted to doping during Lances winning tours. They stated that Lance had doped as well. When I watched that show I didn`t know what to believe because there is just no advantage for them to sell Lance out, to make that up.

I think that this was the one but it turns out 60 Minutes did a couple shows on this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnBpoC2jc

As far as legal fees goes I`m sure Lance could get a army of Legal Pro Bono volunteers if needed. I have the suspicion that the French hate the idea of all Lance`s TDF wins. But I now think that he did cheat.

Having said that for some reason I think that he is still a good guy for all his foundation work with cancer causes, etc.
 
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When I heard this the first thing that popped in my head was the line in the movie <span style="font-style: italic">Apocalypse Now</span> where Martin Sheen's character says, "...charging people with murder here is like giving away speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500."

Just like steroids and baseball, everyone of those bastards were pushing the rules. What pisses me off is they seem to be focused entirely on Armstrong because of his success. Where are all the other motherfuckers that were racing at the time? There's no way they have the resources to investigate all of them so lets just go for the big fish I guess.

On the other hand I hate what Lance Armstrong did to my hometown of Austin....now the roads are infested with hipster-yuppies in unitards that go out to be like their hero Lance and think they own the roads. I'm all for folks biking to work and school(I used to bike through downtown to work) but going out in 5 o'clock traffic to work out and inconveniencing everyone else...go piss up a rope!! Thanks a-fucking-lot Lance!
 
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I have ridden with Lance and have actually seen him in tri's before he was a star. His VO2 max is off the charts as is Tom Dowdy's, another US Postal rider of exceptional ability from the day. By the time the Discovery team was in full force, his celeb status made it hard to get anywhere near him. His character during training and his actions were always stellar in my eyes. He was a good guy before he was on the 7-Eleven team, I never heard anything derogatory from his Team-mates or reporters at that time. Most stars who left the team when he was winning never achieved any stardom on their new teams. Lance will always be a star in my eyes----until you face persecution yourself, it is hard to understand that all is not as it seems.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

Oh please. The guy is guilty. Not saying he does not deserve the 7 titles, the only thing I am saying is he doped. He doped among all the dopers. I know no one wants to hear this, but sometimes we have to stop living a Fairy Tale and play REAL LIFE.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

USADA cannot strip him of shit and the ICO is awaiting justification from the USADA. they previously supported Armstrong's defense to the USADA. I doubt he will lose his titles. no one will ever know the truth these fucking guys make it up as they goo along.

BTW the ICO will not make a judgement for 8-12 months on the titles.

What I like is the charge of the USADA is to oversee US olympic atheletes. WTF is the Tour de France in the olympics?? I saw mountain biking and white water rafting and even some dudes free swimmin ght eenglish channel but no Tour De France....

As a cyclist and cancer survivor I support and will continue to support. I could have taked every drug on the planet and still would not have won one TDF.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USADA cannot strip him of shit and the ICO is awaiting justification from the USADA. they previously supported Armstrong's defense to the USADA. I doubt he will lose his titles. no one will ever know the truth these fucking guys make it up as they goo along.

BTW the ICO will not make a judgement for 8-12 months on the titles.

What I like is the charge of the USADA is to oversee US olympic atheletes. WTF is the Tour de France in the olympics?? I saw mountain biking and white water rafting and even some dudes free swimmin ght eenglish channel but no Tour De France....

As a cyclist and cancer survivor I support and will continue to support. I could have taked every drug on the planet and still would not have won one TDF.
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You can support Fairy Tales all you want. Sometimes I want to join you in these fairy tales! Real Life sucks man.

Lance was a cancer patient and had the best doping techniques. He was always one step ahead of the game. Everyone he raced against either admitted to doping, or got caught doping.

Thing is this: they have Lance's blood samples from 1996 till now. They can always go back and test. During this whole "scandal", not one of Lance's buddies came to Lance's defense. It is quite the opposite, they are all snitching him out. Why you ask? Because the guy is a phony, and he made millions (along with those cancer "charities").

Men will one day wake up and figure out they should not be living a lie any longer.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USADA cannot strip him of shit and the ICO is awaiting justification from the USADA. they previously supported Armstrong's defense to the USADA. I doubt he will lose his titles. no one will ever know the truth these fucking guys make it up as they goo along.

BTW the ICO will not make a judgement for 8-12 months on the titles.

What I like is the charge of the USADA is to oversee US olympic atheletes. WTF is the Tour de France in the olympics?? I saw mountain biking and white water rafting and even some dudes free swimmin ght eenglish channel but no Tour De France....

As a cyclist and cancer survivor I support and will continue to support. I could have taked every drug on the planet and still would not have won one TDF.
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You can support Fairy Tales all you want. Sometimes I want to join you in these fairy tales! Real Life sucks man.

Lance was a cancer patient and had the best doping techniques. He was always one step ahead of the game. Everyone he raced against either admitted to doping, or got caught doping.

Thing is this: they have Lance's blood samples from 1996 till now. They can always go back and test. During this whole "scandal", not one of Lance's buddies came to Lance's defense. It is quite the opposite, they are all snitching him out. Why you ask? Because the guy is a phony, and he made millions (along with those cancer "charities").

Men will one day wake up and figure out they should not be living a lie any longer. </div></div>

Hater's got to hate. Dope or cancer therapy, eye of the beholder. What isn't in the eye of the beholder is all the testing he passed that others did not. The prior samples are irrelevant at this point and in front of a real judge would be never be considered evidence.

He's not loosing his titles because the USADA does not matter as the guy running it does not matter.

You know what matters:

Livestrong donations skyrocket

http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-arm...e-titles-2012-8
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hater's got to hate. Dope or cancer therapy, eye of the beholder. What isn't in the eye of the beholder is all the testing he passed that others did not. The prior samples are irrelevant at this point and in front of a real judge would be never be considered evidence.

He's not loosing his titles because the USADA does not matter as the guy running it does not matter.

You know what matters:

Livestrong donations skyrocket
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How do you know for sure he will not? You are just being a wishful thinking. I think you have been reading Armstrongs blog too much, and worse is you believe them.

I am glad to see donations skyrocket, good for him. Anytime you can live a lie and get money from it, well more power to you. It's not my job to police dumb people, it's their money, they spend it however they like.

I was one of Lance's biggest supporters, I too had a US Postal Jersey. But one day I woke up and thought I would join the real world.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hater's got to hate. Dope or cancer therapy, eye of the beholder. What isn't in the eye of the beholder is all the testing he passed that others did not. The prior samples are irrelevant at this point and in front of a real judge would be never be considered evidence.

He's not loosing his titles because the USADA does not matter as the guy running it does not matter.

You know what matters:

Livestrong donations skyrocket
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How do you know for sure he will not? You are just being a wishful thinking. I think you have been reading Armstrongs blog too much, and worse is you believe them.

I am glad to see donations skyrocket, good for him. Anytime you can live a lie and get money from it, well more power to you. It's not my job to police dumb people, it's their money, they spend it however they like.

I was one of Lance's biggest supporters, I too had a US Postal Jersey. But one day I woke up and thought I would join the real world. </div></div>

I'm sorry you were living in la la land. Cyclists and cross country skiers have been doping for decades upon decades. The Norwegians are experts. Sorry to burst your bubble but you were living an unrealistic fantasy. There are no super humans; there is only super will to win.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I'm happy to report that I've achieved a life-long dream. Now Lance Armstrong and I have the same amount of TDF titles to our name.

Victory is mine!!
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And you're not banned from cycling....I'd say you have one up on Lance! Way to go, Mike!!!
 
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I haven't followed this all that close, but I find it hard to believe that anything Floyd Landis has to say will hold up anywhere legally. The guy is practically my neighbor and trained on roads around my house, but he's nothing but a liar that wasted a lot of money people gave him in his defense when he knew he was guilty the entire time.

Same thing with a lot of these other dopers who were caught and denied it.

No positive tests, 2 year investigation with no charges, nothing has ever resulted in anything that can be called an infraction or hard evidence, yet this is the outcome. Either they know things we don't know, or this truly is an unconstitutional witch hunt.
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I'm happy to report that I've achieved a life-long dream. Now Lance Armstrong and I have the same amount of TDF titles to our name.

Victory is mine!!
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Hahaha! Go on with your bad self!
 
Re: Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 titles today!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TwoGun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hater's got to hate. Dope or cancer therapy, eye of the beholder. What isn't in the eye of the beholder is all the testing he passed that others did not. The prior samples are irrelevant at this point and in front of a real judge would be never be considered evidence.

He's not loosing his titles because the USADA does not matter as the guy running it does not matter.

You know what matters:

Livestrong donations skyrocket
</div></div>


How do you know for sure he will not? You are just being a wishful thinking. I think you have been reading Armstrongs blog too much, and worse is you believe them.

I am glad to see donations skyrocket, good for him. Anytime you can live a lie and get money from it, well more power to you. It's not my job to police dumb people, it's their money, they spend it however they like.

I was one of Lance's biggest supporters, I too had a US Postal Jersey. But one day I woke up and thought I would join the real world. </div></div>

I'm sorry you were living in la la land. Cyclists and cross country skiers have been doping for decades upon decades. The Norwegians are experts. Sorry to burst your bubble but you were living an unrealistic fantasy. There are no super humans; there is only super will to win. </div></div>

So we both agree Lance doped then?