Rifle Scopes Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
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Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Why "send out" for something you can do yourself? Mounting a scope and bore sighting is relatively easy. USO has instructions for mounting. It helps to have a torque wrench or driver (Borka). Try a search - there are many threads covering this, some with YouTube "how to".
Bore sighting is simple - pull bolt, bag rifle rock-steady, sight down bore, align on target, adjust reticle, and recheck in event you moved rifle. My POI is usually within 2" at 100. This all works unless the rifle is an M1/M14 - then you need a dental mirror to look down the bore from open bolt.
Kevin
Why "send out" for something you can do yourself? Mounting a scope and bore sighting is relatively easy. USO has instructions for mounting. It helps to have a torque wrench or driver (Borka). Try a search - there are many threads covering this, some with YouTube "how to".
Bore sighting is simple - pull bolt, bag rifle rock-steady, sight down bore, align on target, adjust reticle, and recheck in event you moved rifle. My POI is usually within 2" at 100. This all works unless the rifle is an M1/M14 - then you need a dental mirror to look down the bore from open bolt.
Kevin
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Ok, so bore sighting is easy butmnotmwhen your scope rings are so out of whack that I am surprised that arms even let them leave their factory. This gentleman spent 45 min making my rings concentric so that they are touching 95 percent of the scope tube.....previously they were touching about 15 percent of the tube. The rifle still shot very accurate but failure would have definately occurred at some point and we even determined that the vertical crosshair was slightly skewed.
So, the best 50 bucks I ever spent. If you are in houston and need a good scope guy the Scopesmith is def the place to go!
I'm beyond impressed with his work!!
Ok, so bore sighting is easy butmnotmwhen your scope rings are so out of whack that I am surprised that arms even let them leave their factory. This gentleman spent 45 min making my rings concentric so that they are touching 95 percent of the scope tube.....previously they were touching about 15 percent of the tube. The rifle still shot very accurate but failure would have definately occurred at some point and we even determined that the vertical crosshair was slightly skewed.
So, the best 50 bucks I ever spent. If you are in houston and need a good scope guy the Scopesmith is def the place to go!
I'm beyond impressed with his work!!
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
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Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Quite interesting regarding that poor of a line bore. Don't be too quick to condemn the rings, if the base is not in spec. What rifle is this on and what base manufacturer?
Kevin
Quite interesting regarding that poor of a line bore. Don't be too quick to condemn the rings, if the base is not in spec. What rifle is this on and what base manufacturer?
Kevin
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
It's an lwrc 20 in repr in 308. Flat base...mount is a detachable arms mount with 30 mm rings. I took it to the scope smith in houston and he basically told me that only 10 percent of the riing was touching the scope tube. So, he reworked the rings and now I've got close to 100 percent contact. Told me i couldn't buy a better scope mount even if I wanted to. So, I learned that you may have great gear but unless a top gunsmith installs it your performance will be severly degraded.
He checked everything....it was the rings that were way out of spec and required some smoothing out.
Best work I have seen somebody do in quite a while. If you are in Texas or in houston and need scope work this guy does one hell of a job!! Pm me for his info.
It's an lwrc 20 in repr in 308. Flat base...mount is a detachable arms mount with 30 mm rings. I took it to the scope smith in houston and he basically told me that only 10 percent of the riing was touching the scope tube. So, he reworked the rings and now I've got close to 100 percent contact. Told me i couldn't buy a better scope mount even if I wanted to. So, I learned that you may have great gear but unless a top gunsmith installs it your performance will be severly degraded.
He checked everything....it was the rings that were way out of spec and required some smoothing out.
Best work I have seen somebody do in quite a while. If you are in Texas or in houston and need scope work this guy does one hell of a job!! Pm me for his info.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
sounds like he just aligned and lapped the rings. A wheeler lapping kit is about $100 and a torque screwdriver is $50-100, depending if you get a wheeler/weaver one or go with a german one.
You don't need to send a gun to a gunsmith to have the scope mounted correctly. A few days on these forums and a few hours of hands on experience is all you need.
I took my new Zeiss scope in to be mounted on my rifle a few months ago. It shoots way outside of my range of adjustment. I decided to get my own torque wrench, a few levels and swap out the dovetail mount for a mark 4 base and rings. I think I'll do a better job.
sounds like he just aligned and lapped the rings. A wheeler lapping kit is about $100 and a torque screwdriver is $50-100, depending if you get a wheeler/weaver one or go with a german one.
You don't need to send a gun to a gunsmith to have the scope mounted correctly. A few days on these forums and a few hours of hands on experience is all you need.
I took my new Zeiss scope in to be mounted on my rifle a few months ago. It shoots way outside of my range of adjustment. I decided to get my own torque wrench, a few levels and swap out the dovetail mount for a mark 4 base and rings. I think I'll do a better job.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Cost me only 50 bucks to have someone with 30 years of experience gurantee that my scope was set correctly. It just makes me feel better that a professional did it.....sure I could have bought lapping tools and done it myself but I wanted it done right. All part of the fun I guess.
Cost me only 50 bucks to have someone with 30 years of experience gurantee that my scope was set correctly. It just makes me feel better that a professional did it.....sure I could have bought lapping tools and done it myself but I wanted it done right. All part of the fun I guess.
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I agree anyone could make a good job with the knowledge and the right tools. I am a gunsmith, invested about $3,000 in scope installation tools, including rare equipment like 34 and 35mm lapping bars and machinist grade torque wrenches and levels, do scope installation for living (about three a day, my life count is about 4,000 scopes). I let my customers success do the talking but appreciate SteelShot11 comments.
The Scopesmith - Houston
I agree anyone could make a good job with the knowledge and the right tools. I am a gunsmith, invested about $3,000 in scope installation tools, including rare equipment like 34 and 35mm lapping bars and machinist grade torque wrenches and levels, do scope installation for living (about three a day, my life count is about 4,000 scopes). I let my customers success do the talking but appreciate SteelShot11 comments.
The Scopesmith - Houston
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Glad you found that many people that can't perform a simple task. Don't think you will get the business here that you were hoping as most do it themselves here as you can see from the posts.
And 34mm and 35mm lapping bars aren't rare. You just need to buy them.
Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. SteelShot, you can easily learn to mount a scope. It's not that hard.
Glad you found that many people that can't perform a simple task. Don't think you will get the business here that you were hoping as most do it themselves here as you can see from the posts.
And 34mm and 35mm lapping bars aren't rare. You just need to buy them.
Give a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. SteelShot, you can easily learn to mount a scope. It's not that hard.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
Why do you feel the need to discourage the scopesmith? I don't get it. I can operate a fire extinguisher or my garden hose, but if my shop is on fire, I'm calling the frickin fire department to make sure it's done right!
Why do you feel the need to discourage the scopesmith? I don't get it. I can operate a fire extinguisher or my garden hose, but if my shop is on fire, I'm calling the frickin fire department to make sure it's done right!
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Copyleader</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you feel the need to discourage the scopesmith? I don't get it. I can operate a fire extinguisher or my garden hose, but if my shop is on fire, I'm calling the frickin fire department to make sure it's done right! </div></div>
Because it mounting a scope that requires very simple tools, not a ladder truck and yards of pressure hose.
This is a relativity simple task that each user should know how to do. If you need a "scopesmith" to mount a scope you shouldn't be shooting LR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Copyleader</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you feel the need to discourage the scopesmith? I don't get it. I can operate a fire extinguisher or my garden hose, but if my shop is on fire, I'm calling the frickin fire department to make sure it's done right! </div></div>
Because it mounting a scope that requires very simple tools, not a ladder truck and yards of pressure hose.
This is a relativity simple task that each user should know how to do. If you need a "scopesmith" to mount a scope you shouldn't be shooting LR.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
It does help to at least know how to do it, how do you know if something is wrong if you have no idea what is right.
Nothing wrong with paying someone to do it if that is your thing I guess.
It does help to at least know how to do it, how do you know if something is wrong if you have no idea what is right.
Nothing wrong with paying someone to do it if that is your thing I guess.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
As I said before I let my customers do the talking (that includes successful competitors, hunters and several law enforcement snipers). I do not charge for scope installation when customers buy equipment from me, it is a free service. I only charge when they bring their own equipment and solicit the service. Not surprised on being "flamed" by some of the desktop snipers that unfortunately contaminate this forum, and appreciate "Copyleader" defense but you find them in every thread trying to shut down the free exchange of information bragging in a keyboard of knowledge they cannot prove on the field.
As I said before I let my customers do the talking (that includes successful competitors, hunters and several law enforcement snipers). I do not charge for scope installation when customers buy equipment from me, it is a free service. I only charge when they bring their own equipment and solicit the service. Not surprised on being "flamed" by some of the desktop snipers that unfortunately contaminate this forum, and appreciate "Copyleader" defense but you find them in every thread trying to shut down the free exchange of information bragging in a keyboard of knowledge they cannot prove on the field.
Re: Need scope re-mounting, boresight, and adjustments
We've seen lots of scopes mounted by "pros" and their fancy equipment in a shop but most aren't even close to being ready for LR matches. Like others have said on here earlier in this thread, this is something you're gonna need to know how to do. Eventually you'll have to remove the scope for some reason and you should be able to reinstall it correctly.
Boresighting: no need to comment since there are already a dozen threads on the Hide on how to do it from 1 shot to 20 shots which all seem to work and isn't a big deal. The fewer you can do it in give you more bragging rights and is satisfying to learn how easy it really is.
If you don't shoot the gun on a range and track it thru the entire distance you're going to be using it then there is no way anyone can be sure it'll track properly from 100 to 1000 yards of adjustment. Even if it's perfect based on everything being level every which direction you want to check there are still other factors that come into play when a shooter gets behind the gun and makes the shot.
Take the time to read some of the threads even before buying your mount, rings and scope. Quality mounts and rings fit so much more precise than run of the mill stuff you pick up at the local shops. Rings such as Seekins, Badger and others nearly snap into the slots on a quality mount/rail. Using a feeler gauge to level the scope to the mount, a large level for establishing a true verticle and horizontal line on a target and a little bit of range time is really all you need to mount, track and sight in your equipment.
Some might still feel the need to go to the "pros" which is OK, but don't always expect be able to hold same wind as the fella that has spent time tweaking his scope and knows it'll track straight up a verticle line even thru 10 or 12 mil of elevation and is ringing the smaller LR distant steel at a match.
Sometime it's easy to forget how blessed some of us are to have learned from exceptional teachers and take some of this for granted because it can be pretty easy after you do it a couple of times or have someone show you. I'm sure there is a need for knowledgeable intallers for mounts, rings and scopes but don't assume that they are perfect as received. A couple trips to a range and chatting with the better shooters will gain you a lot of helpful information not only on your equipment and how to maintain and work on it but how to tweak it for maximum potential.
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We've seen lots of scopes mounted by "pros" and their fancy equipment in a shop but most aren't even close to being ready for LR matches. Like others have said on here earlier in this thread, this is something you're gonna need to know how to do. Eventually you'll have to remove the scope for some reason and you should be able to reinstall it correctly.
Boresighting: no need to comment since there are already a dozen threads on the Hide on how to do it from 1 shot to 20 shots which all seem to work and isn't a big deal. The fewer you can do it in give you more bragging rights and is satisfying to learn how easy it really is.
If you don't shoot the gun on a range and track it thru the entire distance you're going to be using it then there is no way anyone can be sure it'll track properly from 100 to 1000 yards of adjustment. Even if it's perfect based on everything being level every which direction you want to check there are still other factors that come into play when a shooter gets behind the gun and makes the shot.
Take the time to read some of the threads even before buying your mount, rings and scope. Quality mounts and rings fit so much more precise than run of the mill stuff you pick up at the local shops. Rings such as Seekins, Badger and others nearly snap into the slots on a quality mount/rail. Using a feeler gauge to level the scope to the mount, a large level for establishing a true verticle and horizontal line on a target and a little bit of range time is really all you need to mount, track and sight in your equipment.
Some might still feel the need to go to the "pros" which is OK, but don't always expect be able to hold same wind as the fella that has spent time tweaking his scope and knows it'll track straight up a verticle line even thru 10 or 12 mil of elevation and is ringing the smaller LR distant steel at a match.
Sometime it's easy to forget how blessed some of us are to have learned from exceptional teachers and take some of this for granted because it can be pretty easy after you do it a couple of times or have someone show you. I'm sure there is a need for knowledgeable intallers for mounts, rings and scopes but don't assume that they are perfect as received. A couple trips to a range and chatting with the better shooters will gain you a lot of helpful information not only on your equipment and how to maintain and work on it but how to tweak it for maximum potential.
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