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Kestrel 4500 DA clearification please

BigJohn141

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Ok I have a kestrel 4500 to use with LB3 but so far I have just been inputting each number such as temp and humidity and altitude but not using the DA feature. I have been doing some reading but mostly of older posts and just needed some quick clarification on some stuff. If I want to use the Kestrel 4500 DA reading correctly do I need to just set the reference altitude to 0 feet?

From my understanding of the other posts, this will give the best DA reading no matter where I am or am I missing something?

Thanks for the help guys
 
Re: Kestrel 4500 DA clearification please

Is that correct? I thought the DA reading was separate from the reference altitudes and pressures, i.e. there was no setting that the user could change that would change the DA reading.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesBailey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that correct? I thought the DA reading was separate from the reference altitudes and pressures, i.e. there was no setting that the user could change that would change the DA reading. </div></div>
I don't think so... on my 4500 if I have the DA set for my location my BP will be a different value than if I enter 0 as the DA... I have my DA value set to 0, then my 4500 will tell me my locations specific BP.
 
Re: Kestrel 4500 DA clearification please

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesBailey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that correct? I thought the DA reading was separate from the reference altitudes and pressures, i.e. there was no setting that the user could change that would change the DA reading. </div></div>

Based on this response I saw on the Nielsen Kellerman forum, this should be the case for both the 4000 and 4500:

"Thank you for your question about the Kestrel 4000. The density altitude measurement on the 4000 does not rely on the reference values in the altitude or barometric pressure screens (what you referred to as calibration). The density altitude is a function of temperature, relative humidity and pressure. The only thing that can be changed on the unit is the pressure calibration. This is performed at the factory and is check for accuracy. Typically a factory pressure calibration will hold accurately for years.
The altitude and barometric pressure measurements rely on a reference. For altitude you need to input an accurate reference barometric pressure. For barometric pressure you need to input an accurate reference altitude. If you were going to a track with a known altitude you would enter that into the reference in the barometric pressure screen. This would give you a current barometric pressure reading which you could take and input into the reference in the altitude screen."
 
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Ok....so I have a question along the lines of this thread. I just got a 4000. In shooter I have the ability to input "station pressure" so in order for my Kestrel to show station pressure would I also set the reference altitude to zero? Would it then display the station pressure as "station pressure"? Or would it then still be labled as barametric pressure but truely be displaying "station" pressure? Hope I am explaining my self right. This whole "station" or barrametric pressure thing confuses the hell out of me!!!
 
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Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread...but...

If I'm inputting the DA from my Kestrel, do I need to input temp, bp, and rh in my ballistic program (BulletFlight)?
 
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No, If you enter DA from Kestrel to your program you do not enter another value. DA is a one entry cover all value for atmospheric conditions with the exception of wind.
 
Re: Kestrel 4500 DA clearification please

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jfernandez</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesBailey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that correct? I thought the DA reading was separate from the reference altitudes and pressures, i.e. there was no setting that the user could change that would change the DA reading. </div></div>

Based on this response I saw on the Nielsen Kellerman forum, this should be the case for both the 4000 and 4500:

"Thank you for your question about the Kestrel 4000. The density altitude measurement on the 4000 does not rely on the reference values in the altitude or barometric pressure screens (what you referred to as calibration). The density altitude is a function of temperature, relative humidity and pressure. The only thing that can be changed on the unit is the pressure calibration. This is performed at the factory and is check for accuracy. Typically a factory pressure calibration will hold accurately for years.
The altitude and barometric pressure measurements rely on a reference. For altitude you need to input an accurate reference barometric pressure. For barometric pressure you need to input an accurate reference altitude. If you were going to a track with a known altitude you would enter that into the reference in the barometric pressure screen. This would give you a current barometric pressure reading which you could take and input into the reference in the altitude screen." </div></div>

Yes, that is the way I understand the Kestrel to work. DA is DA, no user input can impact it. If you are tracking straight altitude, then you need to start messing with the reference altitudes so the machine can sync up current BP with current altitude.
thanks
 
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The reason I asked is because after reading a few threads I found that this is what everyone was saying. From my understanding, by setting the reference altitude you are actually adjusting your BP which in turn will change your DA. By setting the ALT to 0 you in turn make the Kestrel use station pressure to calculate the DA which is more accurate if you are moving long distance like flying in for a competition or something.
 
Re: Kestrel 4500 DA clearification please

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mobius38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok....so I have a question along the lines of this thread. I just got a 4000. In shooter I have the ability to input "station pressure" so in order for my Kestrel to show station pressure would I also set the reference altitude to zero? Would it then display the station pressure as "station pressure"? Or would it then still be labled as barametric pressure but truely be displaying "station" pressure? Hope I am explaining my self right. This whole "station" or barrametric pressure thing confuses the hell out of me!!! </div></div>

If you need "station pressure", set the reference altitude to "0" - station pressure is the absolute value of pressure at the place you are at.
 
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You want raw conditions where you are standing, reference altitude is zero. That will give you accurate station pressure. Station pressure being the pressure where you are currently. Even if it didnt affect the DA reading, you still want accurate numbers for barometric pressure and altitude, so enter zero.