Who do you think is making these barrels.

[fnbrowning]

<span style="font-weight: bold">>> <span style="color: #CC0000">New Edit: Changed my mind. See post Saturday, Sept 8th</span>.<<</span>

I'm in the market to buy a AR-15 Tactical Carbine. I'm doing my research to narrow down the perfect manufacturer for me. I think that the barrel choice is the most import decision one can make in a rifle.

Recently I stumbled upon this quote. The author was discussing AR rifles specifically:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I find hammer forged chrome lined barrels to shoot much more accurately than non hammer forged barrels (generally 1/2-3/4MOA). This is due to the way in which these barrels are chromed vs. it being the hammer forging. Hammer forging makes barrels last longer. Chrome lining generally hampers accuracy. Lets just say a certain company knows how to make match grade chrome lined barrels."</div></div>

I'd love to know to whom he was referring. If any Hide member has a hypothesis as to the barrel manufacturer, or the AR manufacturer that installs these barrels, please post your information. Links would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[excess]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

There are several hammer forged AR barrels out there. Daniel Defense, FN, BCM, To name a few.

 

[Boydo]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

ive never had accuracy issues with a chrome lined ar barrel

 

[fnbrowning]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are several hammer forged AR barrels out there. Daniel Defense, FN, BCM, To name a few.</div></div>

Ahhh so true. BUT <span style="font-style: italic">somebody</span> is making a Chrome-lined CHF barrel that apparently stands apart for accuracy.
That is who/what I'm trying to find.

 

[ORD]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Why don't you try emailing Robb (the man who posted the comment you quoted) and ask him?!?!

We can all speculate, but getting some addtl details from the source of your quote may help you more than anything.

My guess...Noveske (but DD and others may be just as good a guess).

 

[fnbrowning]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't you try emailing Robb (the man who posted the comment you quoted) and ask him?!?!

We can all speculate, but getting some addtl details from the source of your quote may help you more than anything.

My guess...Noveske (but DD and others may be just as good a guess). </div></div>

(a) I can't email Robb because I'm not a member of that forum.
(b) If Robb isn't going to name names outright their forum, he surely isn't going to be candid with a 1 post count noob.
(c) Robb won't be the sole proprietor of this knowledge; and it's a good topic to discuss here.

 

[Temp9]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Since a name wasn't mentioned, Robb is the sole proprietor of this knowledge. Best we can do is speculate. It doesn't hurt to ask, most people are willing to help out regardless of post count.

My guess is Noveske, though.

 

[LongArm]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Noveske's hammered barrels are made for them by FN. Most hammer forged barrels that are from top shelf companies are made to their spec by FN.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

He was talking about Noveske, trust me!

 

[mjh30]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

As stated above probably FN, quite a few companies selling their hammer forged, chrome lined barrels.

 

[BOL556]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Daniel defense and FN barrels are what he is describing. Palmetto state armory is using FN barrels as well. If you go to any of their websites you will find the info you are seeking. Either way you go its not going to matter cause they are made pretty much the same.

 

[ksthomas]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Hate to burst any bubbles here, but there's no such thing as a chrome-lined NM barrel, hammer forged or otherwise. I've used a good many hammer forged barrels that were/are superb shooters; specifically some of the old Winchester Ultra Match barrels, as well as the Sauer 202 Heavy barrels. The Sauers in particular, as I've shot out dozens of them and never had a one that wasn't a tack driver. The vast majority of the CHF barrels being produced for ARs are being made that way because they're very inexpensive to produce by this method. Competitive Service Rifle shooters, however, will stick to cut rifled or buttoned, There simply is no CHF barrels out there that are any kind of a threat to Satern, Krieger, Hart or a host of other copmpetitive barrel makers.

 

[fnbrowning]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Kevin;

I see that you are representing Lapua USA in your sig. If you are with Lapua, then you may well only be thinking only in terms of the competitive shooter, and not following the intent of this thread.

<span style="font-style: italic">I am not looking for a competitive NM barrel for a mid-length AR carbine!</span>

In all manufacturing processes, one or another manufacturer may make a product that exceeds in performance over others in that specificed application.

There is anecdotal evidence that one or a few manufacturers of CHF barrels <span style="font-style: italic">for the AR carbine</span> make an exceptional product.
I hope to find who that manufacturer is. If I can find them, I want to know. It's that simple.

Thanks

 

[dmg308]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

FN- Bravo Company

 

[chainring]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Just a guess, but Noveske chrome lined barrels are supposed to be pretty good.

 

[Sebben]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just a guess, but Noveske chrome lined barrels are supposed to be pretty good.

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I heard that Noveske uses Pac Nor machines to make their SS barrels and FN makes the CMV Noveske Barrels.

 

[BigBlue&Goldie]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

99% of the morons on the internet claim their guns shoot 1/2-3/4MOA. You are posting a vague statement made by JoeShmoInterwebs and expect us to know what the hell he is talking about? People have mentioned what they consider to be top tier barrels that fit that criteria.

By the way, it takes more than a good barrel to get an AR to shoot that well.

 

[BCP]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Why not a melonited barrel? I've seen a few floating around the internet for 200 bucks and they get decent reviews. Supposed to last longer than chrome lining as well.

BTW I tried to find an accurate chrome lined AR barrel awhile ago and Saber Defense, DDefense, none of them were as accurate as any stainless AR barrel I've owned.

 

[ksthomas]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Fair enough, and I just didn't want to further any confusion between the two. I see to many claims about how a CHF is the be all and end all of what is needed, or that chrome lining is the answer to all problems. Not true, in eithr case. Both have their places, but as for the chrome lining, it's almost always a step backwards in rifle accuracy. I've seen some that shot well, but they're definately the exception, not the rule. As far as CHF barrels, again, they can be good, or bad. It's a very inexpensive and fast way to produce a barrel, and that's primarily the draw to most manufacturers, not the accuracy aspect. They can be very accurate, but again, that applies only to those who are willing to do the work (and pay the extra prices associated with them) to produce such barrels.

 

[Temp9]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not a melonited barrel? I've seen a few floating around the internet for 200 bucks and they get decent reviews. Supposed to last longer than chrome lining as well.

BTW I tried to find an accurate chrome lined AR barrel awhile ago and Saber Defense, DDefense, none of them were as accurate as any stainless AR barrel I've owned.</div></div>

Criterion produces a chrome lined match barrel that is supposedly pretty awesome. I would've bought one, but my upper had M4 ramps, and they only produce the barrels with standard ramps. Criterion, by the way, is a sister company to Krieger, and specializes in button rifled barrels.

That being said, for a precision rifle, I think I would still prefer a SS or Melonited CM barrel.

 

[Sebben]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

From what I gather. CHF CMV ( Cold hammer forged Chrome Moly Vanadium). Usually chrome lined. Hold up better with higher volume fire. 440 SS barrels are better for precision. But where do the CMV Nitride treated barrels fall? Rock creek and Daniel Defense have come Nitride offerings.

 

[jaeger416]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Don't know about standard CMV + nitride, but i've an HK CHF and nitrided barrel that is capable of sub .5 MOA.

 

[wareagle700]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Im pretty sure he was referring to Criterion. Possibly Noveske. Both very accurate but still not equal to a premium custom barrel.

 

[leadbullet]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Colt, I have an old A2 with chrome bore but not sure about CHF and it is a hammer,I use in NRA service rifle matches and it shoots better than me.

 

[fnbrowning]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

I want to thank everyone that has contributed to the conversation. I've made my decision, and while it is quite a turn from my original quest, I'm very excited about it.

After some thought, I realized that coming from a 1:7 20" barrel HBAR, I would not be happy with a carbine. I also was having a devil of a time finding a CHF chrome-lined barrel in a length I wanted. It was during all this research that I remembered Nitro-Carburizing.

From everything I read, a premium barrel that is Nitro-Carburized will give me the durability I was looking for with the accuracy not readily achievable with chrome lining.

So I've contacted Superior Barrels and have requested a SDM (Squad Designated Marksman) Contract Upper, utilizing a Douglas Premium air-gauged, 1:7 twist blank, with their Hard Blue process. Hard Blue is a damn hard Ferric Nitro Carburizing processes that is also very corrosion resistant. For the lower I will be using my 1993 Colt Model R6601, which is in excellent shape.

Again, thanks for all the help!

 

[346ci]

Re: Who do you think is making these barrels.

Chrome lined is for mag dumps and FA, not accuracy.

Douglas makes some good pipes, their Hard Blue sounds like a Melonite process. I'm sure you will like it.