Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

[kortik]

Per published specifications, BO 8-40 screws have Torx heads, size 15 (T-15). One of my local customers encounted an issue using T-15 bit from Borka torque driver kit. I just met him, he brought a scope with rings and indeed, T-15 bit does not fully fit BO screw heads - it appears that bit does not go deep enough into the T-15 socket. Socket does look a bit weird to me - kind of a mix between torx and hex shape, to the extent that it was difficult to tell, at least for me, what exactly is the shape of the head socket. I know for sure that Borka T-15 bit is strictly standard size T-15 and never heard of similar issues before. I'm also certainly aware that BO products are of high quality and unlikely to have issues.

Did anybody run into situation like this, when T-15 bit does not fit supposetly T-15 screw head? I would appreciate some feedback, it is really a very puzzling situation.

Thanks,
Boris, Borka Tools

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I'd be highly suspect that the rings are in fact Badger Ordnance rings then. I've had a few sets of BO rings and I've never encountered a problem with the torx head not fitting into the socket.

 

[ORD]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I've had ZERO issues with several different sets of BO rings in various heights/sizes when using the Borka T-15 bit and driver.

Is it possible that the owner in question got a knock off set of rings or a set of Badgers that had boogered-up OEM screws that were replaced with some crap from a local Fastenal/Hardware Store? Got any pics of the rings/screws in question? Also, might be worth reaching out direct to Marty/the folks at Badger to get the word on the screws straight from them.

 

[kortik]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Here is the picture of that weird looking socket:

Screw head

I was initially thinking it could be some variation of Torx, say, like Torx Plus, but now I do not believe it is... Looks more like a hex than torx, but no hex bit, either inch or metric, really fits correctly into this one...

 

[ORD]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I'm not getting into who manufactured those screws or what happened to the OEM Badger screws (if those are indeed even Badger rings), but I can tell you that they DO NOT LOOK LIKE ANY of the screws on my sets of Badgers. Those appear closer to (and its hard to tell without seeing them first hand) a bastardized Torx-Plus or some weird variation on that pattern.

Again...its probably worth reaching out to BO and getting their take. It is possible that they've changed their screws in recent months (years) as all the Badgers I have are at least 2+ years old at this point.

 

[Layton]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I have a set sitting here and those are exactly like the ones in my package. And these came fro Eurooptic.

L

edt: There's an wrench included. It says "Allen TRX SA Key T15" on the package.

L

 

[kortik]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Packaging of your allen wrench does indicate that it should be T-15 (Torx), and not IP-15 (Torx Plus) screw heads. On the other hand, I've never seen T-15s looking like the ones in the picture. Does not mean I know it all, of course...

ORD is certainly correct - the best way is to ask BO.

If supposetly BO made scope rings does not have matching serial numbers, is this a clear indication that rings were not made by BO?

 

[ORD]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If supposetly BO made scope rings does not have matching serial numbers, is this a clear indication that rings were not made by BO?
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If they are BO rings, they should be serialized with MATCHING numbers. Now...if some clown mixed up two sets of the same model BO rings, then it is POSSIBLE they are still genuine BO rings, but that certainly throws up a HUGE red flag if the serial numbers don't match.

 

[Layton]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Here's a picture of the package. Camera phone sry.

L

 

[Grumpy61]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

looks like torx plus

 

[kortik]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Layton,

My customer who've had this issue also got his stuff from Eurooptics. His scope rings and mount does not have any serial numbers, which, according to description on both BO and Eurooptics web sites, must be present on Badger Ordanance made scope rings.

Would you be so kind to look at your rings and provide feedback if serial numbers are there?

Thanks.

 

[Layton]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I looked at them last night and they do have matching numbers on each. I just got these a couple of weeks ago. They are 34mm 1" rings. part #1005-306-14. Cage # 0WXH8. Hope this helps.

L

 

[Chiller]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Cutting to the quick and taking it out of the realm of speculation, has anybody called Marty?

http://badgerordnance.com/contacts/

 

[kortik]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cutting to the quick and taking it out of the realm of speculation, has anybody called Marty?

http://badgerordnance.com/contacts/ </div></div>

Best idea, indeed.

My customer will be calling both BO and Eurooptics. I just wanted to rule out that my T-15 bit may be a potential suspect in this very puzzling case.

 

[Layton]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

I say we blame it on you anyway.

L

 

[Badgerord]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Hi All,

The customer contacted me a bit ago, here is the outcome:

It is our mount, and the screws do look a bit weird, but I think its because they have had the finish rubbed off the top edge. A better pic with better light would do would help.

They are the same T-15 screws we have always used, made by Camcar Textron (now called Accument) in central Iowa, inventors of the torx.

They are not Torx Plus. That being said I am perplexed, we buy 50,000 screws at a time, they come in boxes of about 16,000 ea.

The odds of getting one bad screw in a set of rings is pretty low but reasonably possible, the odds of getting 8 are Lotto odds.

I am sending the customer a new set of screws and a wrench.

If you (and I mean all you Hider's) ever have any problems with Badger stuff, call me I will make it right.

 

[kortik]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Layton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I say we blame it on you anyway.

L </div></div>

I just took one of my T15 bits and spanked it real hard.
That should resolve the issue, although I feel that my bit is not at fault - as my customer just informed me that his scope rings does have serial numbers, upon closer examination...

In any case, it was useful to learn some new things.

 

[StayHidden]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marty@Badger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi All,

The customer contacted me a bit ago, here is the outcome:

It is our mount, and the screws do look a bit weird, but I think its because they have had the finish rubbed off the top edge. A better pic with better light would do would help.

They are the same T-15 screws we have always used, made by Camcar Textron (now called Accument) in central Iowa, inventors of the torx.

They are not Torx Plus. That being said I am perplexed, we buy 50,000 screws at a time, they come in boxes of about 16,000 ea.

The odds of getting one bad screw in a set of rings is pretty low but reasonably possible, the odds of getting 8 are Lotto odds.

I am sending the customer a new set of screws and a wrench.

If you (and I mean all you Hider's) ever have any problems with Badger stuff, call me I will make it right.</div></div>

+1 for a great company standing behind their products and making everything right for consumers.

 

[ORD]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

Once again...a fine example of Customer Service and taking care of a situation the right way!

Glad this one got figured out and resolved.

 

[Chiller]

Re: Badger Ordanance scope rings screws - question.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marty@Badger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi All,

The customer contacted me a bit ago, here is the outcome:

It is our mount, and the screws do look a bit weird, but I think its because they have had the finish rubbed off the top edge. A better pic with better light would do would help.

They are the same T-15 screws we have always used, made by Camcar Textron (now called Accument) in central Iowa, inventors of the torx.

They are not Torx Plus. That being said I am perplexed, we buy 50,000 screws at a time, they come in boxes of about 16,000 ea.

The odds of getting one bad screw in a set of rings is pretty low but reasonably possible, the odds of getting 8 are Lotto odds.

I am sending the customer a new set of screws and a wrench.

If you (and I mean all you Hider's) ever have any problems with Badger stuff, call me I will make it right. </div></div>

"problem solved, problem staying solved"