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Suppressors "Initial Impression" .30 Archangel Suppressor

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    <span style="font-weight: bold">Templar Tactical's .30 Cal Archangel Suppressor </span>

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    <span style="text-decoration: underline">Website: </span> Archangel Suppressor Specs

    Today I took the Templar Tactical Archangel 30 caliber suppressor out for the firs time to give it a look. This is a new suppressor from them on the block, Ti and can be taken apart, so I was excited to try it.

    Basic Specs:

    14.8oz.
    9.25" long
    Ti Monocore design
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    I mounted the suppressor on a 20" Bartlien barreled AX Rifle, and I am very happy to say, i had excellent results for a basic, initial test. And like most it appears to be even better after being shot.

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    What I did was initially zeroed the AX without a suppressor, and confirmed the zero point on the center of the target. <span style="font-style: italic">(see below) </span> Then I mounted the suppressor and fired my initial group of 5 rounds marking each round as it appeared on the target.

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    Now it is not uncommon to see a new suppressor have a first round shift, some times it takes a bit to carbon up, settle in a bit, and the Archangel had a bit of shift but then quickly sucked into a nice group. (<span style="font-style: italic">my shooting today was not my best, and I think I need to clean my rifle) </span> But the suppressor grouped well. I immediately removed it after the 5 and set it off to cool. From there I shot my other suppressors to give a reference point.

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    I did mess up the TBAC group but initially grabbing a few 155gr Scenars, but caught that mistake early, I could feel it and see it. So I shot another 5 as well as followed it up later to confirm I indeed had made the mistake, so don't worry about that one. It was operator error as I had a mixed box of 308 I grabbed.

    But looking at the accuracy and shift of the suppressors on this rifle you can see the Templar Archangel did very, very well.

    Before leaving I shot one more group with the can more than 45 minutes off to the side cooling. So the last group at the top left was cold again.

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    I have no clue what it was about me, but every group I blew the fifth round... probably moving my head in a different position as I was up and down for the shots quite a bit. Can't blame anything but me here, or I can, but who's gonna listen.
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    Anyway, this was my first set of shots with the Archangel and I will be heading out to shoot more and more with it, but wanted to drop a note that I find the suppressor very accurate and very well suited for a precision rifle.

    It's a bit longer than most .30 cal suppressors, which is not a downside, and in fact probably makes a touch quieter, but over all I found it worthy of consideration. I am looking forward to shooting it more.

    My only criticism would be that when tightening it down, i noted the sleeve turning when the end cap was tight, you can slip the Ti sleeve but clearly it did not effect anything.

    With a price tag of $1099, I think you have a very good option in the suppressor world.
     
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    Looks to be a promising suppressor if it shoots like that fresh out of the box.
     
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    Totally, for the guys paying or looking to pay $600 for one of these suppressor, seriously buy 2.

    At that price there is nothing that can touch it, it's even good at $1100, but at $600 you ARE stealing it, so get 2.
     
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    Thanks for the quick review Frank. That just made up my mind on the group buy.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Totally, for the guys paying or looking to pay $600 for one of these suppressor, seriously buy 2.

    At that price there is nothing that can touch it, it's even good at $1100, but at $600 you ARE stealing it, so get 2. </div></div>

    wish I had capital to do that
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Totally, for the guys paying or looking to pay $600 for one of these suppressor, seriously buy 2.

    At that price there is nothing that can touch it, it's even good at $1100, but at $600 you ARE stealing it, so get 2. </div></div>


    Or just buy three like me
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    Nice to see that it can be taken apart. Always a plus in my book. Being able to inspect the baffles should be a must IMO.
     
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    I run a shop in Spring and personally know the owner of Templar. The guy is amazing at what he does and loves his work. The suppressors he makes are first class and I have access to just about all suppressors on the market. I can't wait to finally get to take my .30 Archangel home.
     
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    Frank,
    Thanks for the write up! I am more than happy to see you like how the Archangel is performing.
     
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    I ordered one!
     
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    I'm going to agree with lowlight here.

    At the end of the day, it's a $600 titanium suppressor that disassembles for cleaning. Even if it had a huge POI shift, I would buy it on the price tag alone.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From there I shot my other suppressors to give a reference point.</div></div>Which groups on the paper were from the Gemtech, AWC and TBAC cans?
    Thanks.
     
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    None were AAC,

    I shot AWC, Gemtech and TBAC, which was lower left, right below the 2 155gr Scenars that were mixed in...

    I have no AAC direct connect suppressors, they are all MB models
     
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    I quickly revised my post from `AAC and TBAC', thinking the can on the left was the TT and the AWC was an AAC, but you were quicker.
    So the seven at the lower left were a mix from the non TT cans, and right and right top were not from this test?
    Thanks.
     
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    I have no idea what you are saying, each corner is a different can,

    They are all about the same, so why worry about it... they grouped pretty much the same and any real deviation was probably from me more than the suppressors, as well the rifle is due to be cleaned as it hasn't be cleaned since i got it.

    Lower left is TBAC, Center is TT, Top Left TT, Top Right Gemtech, Lower Right is AWC
     
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    Solid review, thanks! Frank, how did you find overall suppression?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Solid review, thanks! Frank, how did you find overall suppression?</div></div>

    Being indoors it was hard to really tell, although I do believe the extra few inches gives it a bit of an advantage in suppression, if you notice the other suppressors are close to 2" shorter overall.

    I also was wondering, since I did have it apart, could that have been responsible for that initial (very first shot ever) round trending high ? Although for whatever reason, that AX likes to push everything high compared to my other rifles. All the suppressors shot that were known quantities tend to shift much less on my AE compared to my AX. Still you can see the accuracy was solid across the board with all the suppressors. These represent my personal favorites and they all trend in a similar fashion.

    The Templar is definitely a solid, accurate suppressor with very good sound qualities. Once I get more rounds downrange with it, I want to see how it trends, but really there is not a lot of room for improvement of my initial look.

    Clearly any issue, real or imagined was a lot more about to me and my shooting than any of the suppressors shot. I know the rifle was pretty dirty, so today I cleaned it. And between every round shot I marked it on the target on the bench so I knew which shot was which, and constantly throwing #5 on just about every group is something that can only point back to me. I was on and off the rifle for every shot, so my consistency could have been at fault here.
     
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    Thanks for the test and review Frank. Ordered one today, that group buy price is hard to pass up!
     
    Re: "Initial Impression" .30 Archangel Suppressor

    Is any one else having a "get out of here now" come up when you try to order online?
     
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    I don't even have my 30P-1 in my hands yet and want to add another .30 cal can. The price and what I have read so far is looking damn good for the TT, guess I got until October to decide lol.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigearn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is any one else having a "get out of here now" come up when you try to order online? </div></div>

    they make suppressors, not web pages
     
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    Twitch, that hits the nail fairly well on the head. Our site is secure, its a discrepancy that Google Chrome and Firefox don't like. Curtis may only be an engineer and machinist... but surprisingly he is pretty damn good with the website too!!! I'm sure we will get the discrepancy that Google Chrome and Firefox like to pick on worked out in the near future.
     
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    Had to get another Archangel 30 after reading this thread: no problem during the transaction other than the site validation warning.
     
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    How repeatable has the POI shift been for you so far? From that target, it looks like the both times you shot it the POI was different.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Helter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How repeatable has the POI shift been for you so far? From that target, it looks like the both times you shot it the POI was different.</div></div>

    They are all different in this case, as I said it was an "initial Impression" Read:

    I N I T I A L I M P R E S S I O N

    Not sure if I can make it any clearer to you... everyone is looking to find fault in one can or another... I can tell you they are all trending the same.

    Indoors with this rifle none of my know quality cans displayed the same feedback as I have noted outdoors.

    See look, my AWC Thor outdoors:

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    That is not what was on paper above... it's much tighter shooting and still almost 6" high from my POA... so I don't count what I see in terms of shift but in terms of accuracy.

    My TBAC usually shifts no more than an 1/2" it was 3 inches here, my Sandstorm was pretty close to normal but the key here... the Sandstorm still shows that 1st round offset then it groups. The others only have the 5th round being off which was all me and as you can see the AWC which has been awesome is dead on group wise. That is my gauge.

    If you feel it's inconsistent, walk away, if you can't understand this is an initial look at the suppressor, walk away. If you don't see the trends I am pointing out, walk away.

    New cans often have a period of settling in. My Gemtech took more than 500 rounds to get that 1st round shift as good as you see it. Some suppressors like to have a little carbon in them to perform to optimal levels. Also a can that comes apart, can be subject to settling in depending on how you tighten it back up after taking it apart.

    There are no Bugs here, no Ghosts, no hidden downsides, they all trended in a way I can say, the 3 other cans do "X" and the Templar Archangel was well within the range of those... in fact it is probably a tick better than some here.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no idea what you are saying, each corner is a different can,

    They are all about the same, so why worry about it... they grouped pretty much the same and any real deviation was probably from me more than the suppressors, as well the rifle is due to be cleaned as it hasn't be cleaned since i got it.

    Lower left is TBAC, Center is TT, Top Left TT, Top Right Gemtech, Lower Right is AWC </div></div>Thanks, I understand now.
    How would you compare the tone of the cans?
    It's been mentioned that the thick walled and welded AWC has a low thump, and I assume the TBAC would be similar.
    I know you didn't test them side by side, but would you comment more on this?
     
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    Looks like it is well built. Not sure why you would need a centerfire can that comes apart other than if you shoot rimfire through it maybe?? Sounds like its priced right as well. It kills me to know a little about the profit margin thats in these things and that companys like surefire are actually sleeping at night knowing how bad they gouge their customers. Best of luck to this new company by offering a good optionat a fair price.
     
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    It's interesting that your rifle is shifting up with every can.

    Nice review it is probably rare that reviewers have as many cans to integrate into one review.