Has anyone tried using this to get a more consistent inside surface on their necks? I'm looking for a good solution to my neck tension that I believe is caused by the chamfering tool on my RCBS Prep Center. When I am reloading my .308 rounds, I am currently using my stockpile of Federal brass and getting shavings from the jackets of my 168 SMK's on a good portion of my reloads. Also, when this is happening, the force to seat is significantly higher (obviously) and I am getting marks forward of the ogive from the seating die. Also, I've started to lube my neck insides during FL resize to reduce the stretch on the cases. Yesterday I was out shooting and made sure to group the bullets together that had no marks and my FN SPR was stacking them at 100. When I used the ones that were marked, it looked like I was shooting surplus ammo through a beat up Garand. I'm looking to see if anyone has tried this reamer, or remedied the same problem in some other manner.
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Re: Inside neck chamfering
I like it. The one I use (I think it's K&M) has three wires that act as stops, but on the case mouth. BB
I like it. The one I use (I think it's K&M) has three wires that act as stops, but on the case mouth. BB
Re: Inside neck chamfering
Are you referring to this one?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/215069/rcbs-trim-mate-case-prep-center-carbide-chamfer-tool
Or this one?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/356834/rcbs-chamfer-tool-vld-very-low-drag-replacement-head
I agree on the former but really like the latter.
Are you referring to this one?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/215069/rcbs-trim-mate-case-prep-center-carbide-chamfer-tool
Or this one?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/356834/rcbs-chamfer-tool-vld-very-low-drag-replacement-head
I agree on the former but really like the latter.
Re: Inside neck chamfering
Got ya. I stopped using the one on my Prep Center as I fund it too slow and liked the steeper angle of the VLD.
I actually don't use my prep center all that much as I have taken to chucking rod extensions into my cordless drills and attaching inside (VLD as shown above) Outside and Primer pocket tools to them for faster prep. The Prep center is very Slooooooooooooooooooow!
Another cool and inexpensive tool that speeds things up is the Lee
zip trim chuck with the additional drill attachment:
In any case, I have found the VLD tool, whether used in the prep center, by hand or in my drill to be much gentler to the bullets that ease into the cases!
Got ya. I stopped using the one on my Prep Center as I fund it too slow and liked the steeper angle of the VLD.
I actually don't use my prep center all that much as I have taken to chucking rod extensions into my cordless drills and attaching inside (VLD as shown above) Outside and Primer pocket tools to them for faster prep. The Prep center is very Slooooooooooooooooooow!
Another cool and inexpensive tool that speeds things up is the Lee
zip trim chuck with the additional drill attachment:
In any case, I have found the VLD tool, whether used in the prep center, by hand or in my drill to be much gentler to the bullets that ease into the cases!
Re: Inside neck chamfering
I have used the K&M and I like it. As far as testing it and telling you if it improved my neck tension or not, I couldn't say. I do like a solid stop though so I know they are all the same. Also I have a Wilson trimmer and they have a chamfering tool for their trimmer which is very consistent but if your brass isn't neck turned it seems to take alot more from the thick part of the neck versus the thin but that also makes sense. That would be the ultimate setup to test your theory but it seems next turned brass is a must
I have used the K&M and I like it. As far as testing it and telling you if it improved my neck tension or not, I couldn't say. I do like a solid stop though so I know they are all the same. Also I have a Wilson trimmer and they have a chamfering tool for their trimmer which is very consistent but if your brass isn't neck turned it seems to take alot more from the thick part of the neck versus the thin but that also makes sense. That would be the ultimate setup to test your theory but it seems next turned brass is a must
Re: Inside neck chamfering
I have both of these and....
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/351385/le-wilson-case-trimmer-uniform-deburring-tool-30-degree
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/229404/le-wilson-case-trimmer-uniform-deburring-tool-45-degree
The wilson trimmer to go with it...This is not a fat system but its very precise
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/276092/...se-trimming-kit
I have both of these and....
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/351385/le-wilson-case-trimmer-uniform-deburring-tool-30-degree
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/229404/le-wilson-case-trimmer-uniform-deburring-tool-45-degree
The wilson trimmer to go with it...This is not a fat system but its very precise
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/276092/...se-trimming-kit
Re: Inside neck chamfering
These look like great options. Did you guys go to these because of the issue with bullet jacket peeling? I'm still curious as to whether you guys have had a similar problem, and if so how did you fix it?
These look like great options. Did you guys go to these because of the issue with bullet jacket peeling? I'm still curious as to whether you guys have had a similar problem, and if so how did you fix it?
Re: Inside neck chamfering
Oh sorry man I have never had a single jacket peel on me... I am just always in search of a better mouse trap and I love to buy different tools to try out...The plus side is when my non-reloading buddies(freeloaders) come over and we are both loading up for our own stuff I can let them use my extra stuff. I do believe I see a giraud in my future also
Oh sorry man I have never had a single jacket peel on me... I am just always in search of a better mouse trap and I love to buy different tools to try out...The plus side is when my non-reloading buddies(freeloaders) come over and we are both loading up for our own stuff I can let them use my extra stuff. I do believe I see a giraud in my future also
Re: Inside neck chamfering
The comment about a positive stop feature is great, as long as your cases are identical OAL. The one I use, similar VLD taper reamer but with three wires that ride on the case mouth, chamfer exactly the same regardless of the length of the cartridge. Other than that, this one that stops inside the case is a nice idea. BB
The comment about a positive stop feature is great, as long as your cases are identical OAL. The one I use, similar VLD taper reamer but with three wires that ride on the case mouth, chamfer exactly the same regardless of the length of the cartridge. Other than that, this one that stops inside the case is a nice idea. BB
Re: Inside neck chamfering
I can see some merit to this tool if one trims, chamvers, and deburrs in separate operations.
I do all three in a single operation with an RCBS 3-Way cutter on my old RCBS lathe type trimmer.
As indicated earlier, this tool will work fine as long as all the case lengths are the same.
I can see some merit to this tool if one trims, chamvers, and deburrs in separate operations.
I do all three in a single operation with an RCBS 3-Way cutter on my old RCBS lathe type trimmer.
As indicated earlier, this tool will work fine as long as all the case lengths are the same.
Re: Inside neck chamfering
Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press?
Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press?
Re: Inside neck chamfering
I put the de-burring tool in a drill, then put the drill in my bench vice. That way, the de-burring tool is oriented horizontally, making it much easier to see and get access to. I grab a handful of cases, and feed them to the de-burring tool at a rate of about a case every 2 seconds.
I put the de-burring tool in a drill, then put the drill in my bench vice. That way, the de-burring tool is oriented horizontally, making it much easier to see and get access to. I grab a handful of cases, and feed them to the de-burring tool at a rate of about a case every 2 seconds.
Re: Inside neck chamfering
To answer your question I had the same problem using the stock inside chamfer tool supplied with the RCBS case prep center. The stock tool does not cut the inside chamfer at a steep enough angle to cleanly seat VLD type bullets. I switched out the stock tool for the RCBS VLD tool and have not had any problems since.
That said, the jacket peeling is a symptom of the chamfer for sure, but could also be a sign of inconsistent neck tension as well. If you have inconsistent neck tension, no chamfer tool will fix that as the issue is with the die.
To determine if you have consistent neck tension, take 10 or so sized cases and use your calipers to measure the inside diameter of your case necks. Make sure the inside of the case necks are clean. If you get different measurements case to case then you have inconsistent neck tension and will need to address that with another solution.
To answer your question I had the same problem using the stock inside chamfer tool supplied with the RCBS case prep center. The stock tool does not cut the inside chamfer at a steep enough angle to cleanly seat VLD type bullets. I switched out the stock tool for the RCBS VLD tool and have not had any problems since.
That said, the jacket peeling is a symptom of the chamfer for sure, but could also be a sign of inconsistent neck tension as well. If you have inconsistent neck tension, no chamfer tool will fix that as the issue is with the die.
To determine if you have consistent neck tension, take 10 or so sized cases and use your calipers to measure the inside diameter of your case necks. Make sure the inside of the case necks are clean. If you get different measurements case to case then you have inconsistent neck tension and will need to address that with another solution.
Re: Inside neck chamfering
I use a 22 degree Lyman chamfer tool in my RCBS prep center, and have had no problems...
I use a 22 degree Lyman chamfer tool in my RCBS prep center, and have had no problems...
Re: Inside neck chamfering
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press? </div></div>
Well, here's the thing. My kid is the same way, always wants to use a power tool; if all he had was a chain saw, that's what he would use.
Myself, I consider it therapy, I like working stuff like this with my hands and I don't care if it takes three times as long, I enjoy it. And, yes, I own a drill press. BB
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press? </div></div>
Well, here's the thing. My kid is the same way, always wants to use a power tool; if all he had was a chain saw, that's what he would use.
Myself, I consider it therapy, I like working stuff like this with my hands and I don't care if it takes three times as long, I enjoy it. And, yes, I own a drill press. BB
Re: Inside neck chamfering
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press? </div></div>
If precision is your goal there is nothing that comes close to doing things slowly.
I use the L.E. Wilson/Sinclair ultimate stainless trimmer.
For mass production where precision is less critical I use the Dillon RT-1200 trimmer in conjunction with my progressive press and case feeder.
This allows me to trim in the neighbourhood of 1000 cases per hour if I'm in a hurry.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: athhud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please excuse my ignorance on the topic, as I am extremely new to reloading, but is there a particular reason you guys aren't using a drill press? </div></div>
If precision is your goal there is nothing that comes close to doing things slowly.
I use the L.E. Wilson/Sinclair ultimate stainless trimmer.
For mass production where precision is less critical I use the Dillon RT-1200 trimmer in conjunction with my progressive press and case feeder.
This allows me to trim in the neighbourhood of 1000 cases per hour if I'm in a hurry.
Re: Inside neck chamfering
If you reload much at all I suggest the Giraud trimmer. It beautifully trims the case and chamfers inside and out. Its pricey but once you've used one you can't live without it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYLmHvKVd0
If you reload much at all I suggest the Giraud trimmer. It beautifully trims the case and chamfers inside and out. Its pricey but once you've used one you can't live without it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGYLmHvKVd0
Re: Inside neck chamfering
You can use the Sinclair VLD inside chamfer tool in a drill press. I once did all my inside chamfers then switched out to the outside chamfer tool and used the drill press for it as well. It works just fine. No, it isn't bench rest precise but I shot alot of .250" groups using that method. Your brass length is easily kept +/- .002" in most trimmers and if you use a bushing to create constant and appropriate neck tension, and keep your powder to +/- .005 gr you can get some great loads without buying a $400 trimmer. Having said all that.... I converted over to the Forster 3 in 1 case mouth trimmer and I am thrilled with its performance. It has cut my loading time in half for $120 or so.
You can use the Sinclair VLD inside chamfer tool in a drill press. I once did all my inside chamfers then switched out to the outside chamfer tool and used the drill press for it as well. It works just fine. No, it isn't bench rest precise but I shot alot of .250" groups using that method. Your brass length is easily kept +/- .002" in most trimmers and if you use a bushing to create constant and appropriate neck tension, and keep your powder to +/- .005 gr you can get some great loads without buying a $400 trimmer. Having said all that.... I converted over to the Forster 3 in 1 case mouth trimmer and I am thrilled with its performance. It has cut my loading time in half for $120 or so.
