Gunsmithing Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

[Jamesg35]

I have the newer style AICS stock and want a timney #510 trigger, i know the earlier AICS stock you had to do a little modification to get the trigger to work do you still have to modify for the new stock? Remington 700 action

Thanks James

 

[x ring accuracy]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

Yes, the left side needs relieving for the safety to operate.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

for a timney in an aics, modify the trigger. it is much easier. you can use a file and have it done in less than 5 minutes. you just need to file the pin that slides side to side when the safety is activated. you want to file the pin until it sits flush with the side plate of the trigger when it is as far in as it goes. i can't remember if that was safety on or off now but it's pretty obvious. you don't want the pin to be able to go bellow the trigger side plate.

 

[x ring accuracy]

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Cut the stock, as filing the pin....if you go to far....oops, big mess. Sorry 300, I respect you ALOT but I gotta say this.

 

[300sniper]

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my thoughts on it are if someone doesn't trust using a hand file for a simple mod on a $150 trigger, they should probably stay away from a $1k stock with a power tool.

 

[Keith Johns]

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Milling a small groove into the chassis is the way to go.

 

[Jamesg35]

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Thanks for the info guys!

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith at PCR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Milling a small groove into the chassis is the way to go. </div></div>

Not everyone owns a mill. Anyone should be able to pick up a file at the nearest hardware store and perform this extremely simple mod to the trigger pin.

Seriously, why is milling the chassis the way to go over modifying the trigger? Because you can charge for it?

 

[Keith Johns]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith at PCR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Milling a small groove into the chassis is the way to go. </div></div>
why is milling the chassis the way to go over modifying the trigger? <span style="font-weight: bold">Because you can charge for it? </span></div></div>

No sir in fact Ive never charged for any of the many times Ive done it.

We only charge for real work. We don't nickel and dime people to death. Just wana see things done right. If Timney didnt want that protruding bar on their trigger they'd file it off for you.

 

[smschulz]

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Had the same thing for my Jewell in my AICS.
Filing the chassis is the way to do it.
I would think that the potential to make the trigger unsafe is much greater by filing on the part.
It takes a little time but it is doable.

PS, 300 your charge comment is a cheap shot, IMO.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smschulz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Had the same thing for my Jewell in my AICS.
Filing the chassis is the way to do it.
I would think that the potential to make the trigger unsafe is much greater by filing on the part.
It takes a little time but it is doable.

PS, 300 your charge comment is a cheap shot, IMO.

</div></div>

That's the only reason I could think of to mill on a chassis instead of a simple mod anyone capable of installing their own trigger can easily do at home.

The issue with a Timney trigger in an aics is completely different than jewel in an aics. There is no danger of making the Timney unsafe by doing the mod I described earlier.

 

[GTGunner]

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Keith at PCR just installed and set my Timney 510 trigger into my 5R with AICS.....no additional charge for modding the stock! IMO, it is the only way to install a Timney onto an action bedded in an AICS without the potential liabilities of making mods to a trigger without factory authorization. To each his own.......

Here is my trigger installed:

 

[bigmerv]

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I thought the rule was always modify the cheapest part? I did this to my trigger and just slowly took off some. Go slow, check fit often and it's no big deal.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTGunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keith at PCR just installed and set my Timney 510 trigger into my 5R with AICS.....no additional charge for modding the stock! IMO, it is the only way to install a Timney onto an action bedded in an AICS without the potential liabilities of making mods to a trigger without factory authorization. To each his own.......

Here is my trigger installed:

</div></div>

serious questions, did you even look at the issue with the timney trigger in an aics? do you think removing from a pin the excess amount that does absolutely NOTHING once the trigger is assembled presents any more liability than say adjusting a trigger pull weight, or even just installing an aftermarket trigger? did you call accuracy international to get factory authorization before you modified YOUR chassis?

i'm not sure what your picture has to do with the topic since it doesn't show the issue with the trigger or the mod that took care of it. but to each their own.

 

[x ring accuracy]

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Just dropped in a Rem Sendero in a AI chassis wit a Timney I installed. Told the customer to hang on for 5 min. I milled a slot, he was amazed, I said no charge, he fainted. All part of customer service.

 

[x ring accuracy]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

Also, on a Jewel, you need to mill the trigger guard for the safety lever, again done gratis.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X Ring Accuracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just dropped in a Rem Sendero in a AI chassis wit a Timney I installed. Told the customer to hang on for 5 min. I milled a slot, he was amazed, I said no charge, he fainted. All part of customer service. </div></div>

sweet, i got 20 aics that need to be modified for timney triggers. i'll get them in the mail to you tomorrow. i'll throw in a lil sumtin' for return shipping

by the way, not everyone goes to a gunsmith or machinist to install their trigger and/or chassis system. many people do this stuff at home and i'd be the majority of them don't have a mill in their garage. i bet almost all of them have a flat file or can get one for three bucks.

 

[GTGunner]

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[/quote]
serious questions, did you even look at the issue with the timney trigger in an aics? do you think removing from a pin the excess amount that does absolutely NOTHING once the trigger is assembled presents any more liability than say adjusting a trigger pull weight, or even just installing an aftermarket trigger? did you call accuracy international to get factory authorization before you modified YOUR chassis?

i'm not sure what your picture has to do with the topic since it doesn't show the issue with the trigger or the mod that took care of it. but to each their own. [/quote]


Seriously?!!! What does carving out a small portion of the chassis have to do with safety. If you're lucky maybe you'll dodge having some slick lawyer eating your lunch in court someday! You feel compelled to attack the guys at PCR because they suggest modifying a stock versus your hack job approach to gunsmithing simply because you believe they are in it for the money and out to screw folks. No basis in fact for your opinion, no personal experience dealing with the guys at PCR, just your un-educated opinion about what YOU THINK is someone's motivation. They worked on my rifle and did it the right way. Contact you for bolt knob installs....yeah right! I wouldn't let you get anywhere near my rifles. Apparently customer service is something that is foreign to you and you would charge someone for something as simple as modding a chassis to safely install a trigger....Instead you would prefer to hack at some pins on a trigger because maybe it is "easier" for you.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTGunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Apparently customer service is something that is foreign to you and you would charge someone for something as simple as modding a chassis to safely install a trigger....but to each his own! </div></div>


you completely failed to answer any of my questions. that leads me to believe you have no idea what the issue is, nor how extremely simple and safe it is to resolve it.

customer service could very well be foreign to me since i'm not in the business. if i were and someone shipped an aics to me and asked for it to be inlet for a timney, you bet i'd charge. the charge may not be much but the time it takes to open the package, figure out what is to be done, put it in the mill, do the inlet, repackage it and ship it back out is taking away from other paying work. you'd never survive if you did every little <span style="font-style: italic">five minute</span> job for free.

personally, if a customer called and said that he wanted an aics inlet for a timney that he planned on installing, i'd recommend he do exactly what i recommended earlier. not only do i think it is the part that should be modified (the exact same way that i modify on my own personal rifles with thousands of trouble free rounds and zero trigger issues, even though i am fully capable of modifying the chassis), it will also be faster and far cheaper than shipping.

 

[Jamesg35]

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Who has the best price on the timney #510!

Thanks

 

[sniperaviator]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

If you use the Timney trigger that comes without the safety (and use the Rem700 safety) do you still have to modify for the AICS?

 

[smschulz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you use the Timney trigger that comes without the safety (and use the Rem700 safety) do you still have to modify for the AICS?</div></div> The safety is a part of the trigger.

 

[GasLight]

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Trigger voodoo

a serious question, does anyone who thinks 300sniper's mod is dangerous actually know what the function of that pin is? How does filing it down make the trigger even potentially dangerous?

The logic that if Timney didn't need that pin protruding they would file it down for you makes as much sense as saying if AI didn't need that aluminum in the trigger well they would grind it out for you :rolls eyes:

 

[Keith Johns]

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Just to throw this out there....
<span style="font-weight: bold">Shilen triggers</span> are great triggers guys and will fit anything I'm aware of without modification.
I don't hear many people talk about using Shilens and it surprises me. They're my favorite trigger. Thin, light trigger shoe... great customer service, slim profile, easily adjustable and uses locking nuts on the overtravel and poundage screws.


Perfect trigger for aftermarket actions with side bolt stops in my opinion. You can order them bare, with no bolt stop parts or safety parts. I like that, cause some rifles we build don't get Remy bolt stops and sometimes not even a Remy safety.

 

[hdbiker1]

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I go with what 300sniper does. I've done it 4 times. Easy to do and have absolutely no ill effects to the trigger or function. I just make sure the safety is off when I file or dremel the pin to near flush to the trigger body. I don't know of anyone who has had to use the warranty on an AICS, but with that mod done to it, they may not cover any problems I don't know. But like above, I always look to modify the cheapest part first.

 

[x ring accuracy]

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Amazed this still alve, so here goes. Modifying the trigger is MORE of a potential snag than doing clearnace in the chassis of an AI stock.

 

[Known]

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FWIW, I spoke to Jeff at Timney and he said there is NO problem filing down the pin. He said not to go too far, but if you screw it up they will send out another pin. Now I know what I'm going to do to get the trigger to work with my AICS.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sacshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW, I spoke to Jeff at Timney and he said there is NO problem filing down the pin. He said not to go too far, but if you screw it up they will send out another pin. Now I know what I'm going to do to get the trigger to work with my AICS. </div></div>

it's gravy. just flip the safety on and off and pay attention to what the pin does before you start with the file. it'll just take a few minutes to file it down so the pin is <span style="font-style: italic">just</span> proud of the trigger side when in it's furthest inward position.

 

[RADcustom]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

Any idea why they use such a long pin?

 

[300sniper]

Re: Timney 510 trigger AICS stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea why they use such a long pin? </div></div>


i keep meaning to ask them but i never think about it during business hours. my hunch is that it is due to the manufacturing or assembly process. i know they are not using excess material for no reason at all. if you look at it while functioning the safety, there is nothing that will cause a failure or malfunction if it is modified in the way i suggest.