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Snipers Hide Online Training

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I have a quick question on this. I was in the middle of subscribing and it says "$150 for a 5 day trail and then says $10 recurring monthly fee". Does that mean $150 to join then $10 per month? Just not clear and want to make sure.

Thanks,
Mark
 
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one day soon i will get this as well
 
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Ya, the $10 a month isn't a problem it's the $150 sign up fee that has the draw back. But it is what it is I guess.
 
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There are more than 60 videos, you have instant access to everything. $140 is a huge discount for the amount of information contained.

More than 700 minutes of video, if this was a software lesson you'd pay more than $150 for 2 photoshop lessons.
 
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Not outside the training area,

It's the fundamentals, wind, angles, cleaning, dialog, ballistics, Etc.

With 60+ videos, do you think we might have missed the most important stuff?
 
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To put the $150 in context... that's $1/10th the cost of almost any decent school. Where they will give you a day or so of classroom and then range time. And you should be able to get range time on your own!

Sign-up fee and then a year's worth of lessons (some 60 of them... is about 1 a week if you take them at that pace)... then do your 'range homework', it still comes to less than $300. 1/4 what any school will charge you!

Bargain of the year...

Put in another context, match ammo is $20+ a box... you get outstanding online training for the cost of 15 boxes of ammo...

Seems like kind of an easy decision...

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not outside the training area,

It's the fundamentals, wind, angles, cleaning, dialog, ballistics, Etc.

With 60+ videos, do you think we might have missed the most important stuff? </div></div>

No but being here in Northeast PA we don't really have a lot of places to shoot long range so some of the material may not be relevant to me, at least not right away.

But the fundamentals and other stuff are probably enough to make it worth while for me to still purchase since money is tight this year.
 
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Guy's if your on the fence I can tell you that it is money well spent if you're serious about learning to shoot long range.

I had been shooting for over twenty years before I found the hide and the online training and all I can say is I wish I found it sooner there is information that I had never seen and some that I had but never understood until it as explained to me on the on line training.

$150 is cheap for the information you get out of it.
 
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Ya, it's a lot of training. I get that. I'd be willing to pay $150 but not a monthly fee on top of it, or vice versa. Hell, I'd pay $250 for all of it on a DVD set. I'm sure it's awesome but $150 or the $10 a month would be stellar, not both. Maybe some day. $150 will buy 500 175 SMKs. I'll stick to Magpul videos for awhile. Maybe the wife will buy me the training for Christmas.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are more than 60 videos, you have instant access to everything. $140 is a huge discount for the amount of information contained.

More than 700 minutes of video, if this was a software lesson you'd pay more than $150 for 2 photoshop lessons. </div></div>

Are these videos downloadable and savable? In the near future I'll be spending about 7 months in a godforsaken hole without internet access reliable/fast enough for streaming media.

I'd like to take something besides movies and Rosetta Stone with me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheFightinFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya, it's a lot of training. I get that. I'd be willing to pay $150 but not a monthly fee on top of it, or vice versa. Hell, I'd pay $250 for all of it on a DVD set. I'm sure it's awesome but $150 or the $10 a month would be stellar, not both. Maybe some day. $150 will buy 500 175 SMKs. I'll stick to Magpul videos for awhile. Maybe the wife will buy me the training for Christmas.

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I've seen all the magpul videos, including dynamic horseback lever action operations...

In seriousness, the level of instruction in the online training is worlds more detailed than the magpul videos of a similar nature. Not even close, IMHO.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheFightinFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya, it's a lot of training. I get that. I'd be willing to pay $150 but not a monthly fee on top of it, or vice versa. Hell, I'd pay $250 for all of it on a DVD set. I'm sure it's awesome but $150 or the $10 a month would be stellar, not both. Maybe some day. $150 will buy 500 175 SMKs. I'll stick to Magpul videos for awhile. Maybe the wife will buy me the training for Christmas.

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The difference is that new lessons keep coming out and you get access to the instructors for any questions you have. A box set of DVDs doesnt clarify YOUR specific questions. Also, you can get a $125 discount on a course at Rifles Only with the online training!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheFightinFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya, it's a lot of training. I get that. I'd be willing to pay $150 but not a monthly fee on top of it, or vice versa. Hell, I'd pay $250 for all of it on a DVD set. I'm sure it's awesome but $150 or the $10 a month would be stellar, not both. Maybe some day. $150 will buy 500 175 SMKs. I'll stick to Magpul videos for awhile. Maybe the wife will buy me the training for Christmas.

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+1. Seems to me that if I pay $150 bucks for the previous videos, I should be able to watch them whenever I want? or at least give me a month... not just have 5 days?

The other thing I would like to know if they are downloadable, I have a long carpool ride to work everyday, and I would sure like to be able to watch them on my iPad.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aard3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheFightinFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya, it's a lot of training. I get that. I'd be willing to pay $150 but not a monthly fee on top of it, or vice versa. Hell, I'd pay $250 for all of it on a DVD set. I'm sure it's awesome but $150 or the $10 a month would be stellar, not both. Maybe some day. $150 will buy 500 175 SMKs. I'll stick to Magpul videos for awhile. Maybe the wife will buy me the training for Christmas.

</div></div>




+1. Seems to me that if I pay $150 bucks for the previous videos, I should be able to watch them whenever I want? or at least give me a month... not just have 5 days?

The other thing I would like to know if they are downloadable, I have a long carpool ride to work everyday, and I would sure like to be able to watch them on my iPad. </div></div>

When you pay your $150 it's a subscription.

The online training is one of the best resources I have seen in the twenty something years I have been shooting and I spent a fair amount of time and money looking for the best information, and also had a lot of good people showing me a thing or two.

The thing with the online training is, not only are the videos very good at explaining the techniques and showing you in a very clear way.

Now here is the good bit if you watch a video a few times and you go to the range and practice it and you are unsure of something you come on here go to the online training section and ask, there are even people who make a short video of their own so we can see what they are doing.

I am not 100% sure as I have never tried but I don't think the videos are downloadable.

Bottom line is the online training is the best resource for long range shooters.
And $150 is nothing compared to what you get out of it.
 
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Actually you do get access for a month for $150...

Because the software is not very robust we use the "trial period" which charges you $140... then 5 days later $10 which gives you the 30 day access. So for $150 you have a full month of access.

The videos have value, if you can't respect our effort I can't say I am really sympathetic to your dilemma, when talking to people about video work, I figure that with my Time, Effort and Equipment the Videos are worth about $1000 per minute of finished product. Don't agree, in your spare time email or call a Video Production Company, even a small local shop and ask them to shoot your Instructional Video and see what they charge. Tell them you want a 3 minute product video done see what it cost. Can you make it with $200 handy cam, and some $99 software, sure, but not like we do. We use quality products to make sure when we are filming in 20 MPH winds you hear us and not the wind.

I honestly pay no mind to people questioning the money involved here, they are not interested in actually learning anything they are looking to pass a few hours being entertained and we never started this to entertain you, but to educate the shooter, new or experienced. I am happy to answer real questions, but If you figure, 60+ Lessons, 2 per month, X $10 then you still have a $300 value. Essentially we capped it at 1/2 price because we wanted more people to take advantage of it. And still we have some people with no concept of the time and effort, or what a typical class costs, even a local one that doesn't include travel... we don't plaster and promote the hell out of it because we feel it speaks for itself.

You either get it or you don't, it's the difference between wanting to be taught or entertained and we are not in the entertainment business when it comes to the online training. It's that simple.
 
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Guys I have seen alot of the content and the training and info is really worth the cost.

You can learn alot and enhance your skills for a fraction of what you would spend to travel.

Highly recommended!!
 
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Ya it looks like I opened a can of worms. I think if the training video's is like I expect they are they are top notch. Lowlight I will save future questions of this type for PM's.

Mark
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually you do get access for a month for $150...

Because the software is not very robust we use the "trial period" which charges you $140... then 5 days later $10 which gives you the 30 day access. So for $150 you have a full month of access.

The videos have value, if you can't respect our effort I can't say I am really sympathetic to your dilemma, when talking to people about video work, I figure that with my Time, Effort and Equipment the Videos are worth about $1000 per minute of finished product. Don't agree, in your spare time email or call a Video Production Company, even a small local shop and ask them to shoot your Instructional Video and see what they charge. Tell them you want a 3 minute product video done see what it cost. Can you make it with $200 handy cam, and some $99 software, sure, but not like we do. We use quality products to make sure when we are filming in 20 MPH winds you hear us and not the wind.

I honestly pay no mind to people questioning the money involved here, they are not interested in actually learning anything they are looking to pass a few hours being entertained and we never started this to entertain you, but to educate the shooter, new or experienced. I am happy to answer real questions, but If you figure, 60+ Lessons, 2 per month, X $10 then you still have a $300 value. Essentially we capped it at 1/2 price because we wanted more people to take advantage of it. And still we have some people with no concept of the time and effort, or what a typical class costs, even a local one that doesn't include travel... we don't plaster and promote the hell out of it because we feel it speaks for itself.

You either get it or you don't, it's the difference between wanting to be taught or entertained and we are not in the entertainment business when it comes to the online training. It's that simple. </div></div>

Lowlight,

I'm not trying to disrespect you or the effort you have put into the videos... I understand that they take time and money to produce, and that you have every right to charge whatever you wish for them. I'm just trying to give you a potential customers view point to consider.

From an outside viewpoint, you are asking customers to pay $140.00 dollars for access to the current set of videos...ok, cool... but if I stop paying the $10 dollars a month, I lose access to it all, which is what I find strange.

Personally I feel people are conditioned to one of two model, one is to pay for it out right, and you can watch it when you want to (dvd, blu-ray, itunes, etc).

The other is a recurring revenue based subscription model (netflix, panteao productions, etc), where you pay a set rate each month for access to the library. If someone signs up today, panteao doesn't make them pay for past videos... they just start paying the rate... when they stop paying they don't get access anymore.

Here it seems like a mixture between the two, pay up front to watch the past videos, but if you stop paying you can't watch anything anymore... it's just odd to me.

The actual amount of money isn't the issue here, and I think it's pretty ridiculous to make the assumption that just because someone questions what they are paying for that they aren't really serious about learning.

To be honest I am just a potential customer that is looking for a product that suites my needs. I would like to purchase that product from you, but I don't really want to have to deal with another little monthly charge, and not being able to view it how and when I would like.

Again, this is just my opinion. I'm really not trying to be offensive, I'm just trying to give you another perspective on things.

Thanks
 
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netflix also doesnt produce all of the videos in it's library...and none of them are instructional videos, just older movies and tv shows...these are basically like shooting school, school costs money

admittedly the initial $150 is the only reason i havent started yet myself, gotta save the pennys up a lil bit
 
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I'm ready to sign up and pay my money. If I can take them to Afghanistan with me. I'm leaving soon.

Can I save the videos, or not?

I expect I'll have web access (but SLOW) so I'll benefit from the forums, but streaming them every time I want to watch them certainly won't work out.


Can I save the videos and watch them offline?

Thank you.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually you do get access for a month for $150...

Because the software is not very robust we use the "trial period" which charges you $140... then 5 days later $10 which gives you the 30 day access. So for $150 you have a full month of access.

The videos have value, if you can't respect our effort I can't say I am really sympathetic to your dilemma, when talking to people about video work, I figure that with my Time, Effort and Equipment the Videos are worth about $1000 per minute of finished product. Don't agree, in your spare time email or call a Video Production Company, even a small local shop and ask them to shoot your Instructional Video and see what they charge. Tell them you want a 3 minute product video done see what it cost. Can you make it with $200 handy cam, and some $99 software, sure, but not like we do. We use quality products to make sure when we are filming in 20 MPH winds you hear us and not the wind.

I honestly pay no mind to people questioning the money involved here, they are not interested in actually learning anything they are looking to pass a few hours being entertained and we never started this to entertain you, but to educate the shooter, new or experienced. I am happy to answer real questions, but If you figure, 60+ Lessons, 2 per month, X $10 then you still have a $300 value. Essentially we capped it at 1/2 price because we wanted more people to take advantage of it. And still we have some people with no concept of the time and effort, or what a typical class costs, even a local one that doesn't include travel... we don't plaster and promote the hell out of it because we feel it speaks for itself.

You either get it or you don't, it's the difference between wanting to be taught or entertained and we are not in the entertainment business when it comes to the online training. It's that simple. </div></div>
 
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They are not designed to be downloaded, that is not to say there aren't resources out there, but the spirit at this time is not to download.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are not designed to be downloaded, that is not to say there aren't resources out there, but the spirit at this time is not to download.</div></div>

Understood. I respect the work you've done and your time invested.
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i will be looking to do this when extra funds allow...