Anyone have any experience or usefull knowledge on the new sig 716? I'm looking at trying to get a 7.62 semi auto in the near future when i get back from Afghanistan, and was just curious.
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Re: Sig 716
Got one last week and took it to the range last friday with the 16" barrel
love it .
I still don't have any glass for it yet , working on picking the right one. I shoot about five rounds at fifty yards real tight groups/ 168 gr. I then shot five with my can on it, still great, I did use the adjustable gas block it worked like a champ. Then I shot four rounds of sub sonic and the bolt got stuck don't know why . I had the same problem with my DPMS same batch of ammo, hand loaded.
The 716 is a great weapon.
Got one last week and took it to the range last friday with the 16" barrel
love it .
I still don't have any glass for it yet , working on picking the right one. I shoot about five rounds at fifty yards real tight groups/ 168 gr. I then shot five with my can on it, still great, I did use the adjustable gas block it worked like a champ. Then I shot four rounds of sub sonic and the bolt got stuck don't know why . I had the same problem with my DPMS same batch of ammo, hand loaded.
The 716 is a great weapon.
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Thanks for information. What type of can did you get for it? I'm really interested in getting a suppressor also, it just seems like they are alot of good ones. I'm guessing in the end it just come's down to personal pref.
Thanks for information. What type of can did you get for it? I'm really interested in getting a suppressor also, it just seems like they are alot of good ones. I'm guessing in the end it just come's down to personal pref.
Re: Sig 716
I am using a YHM little heavy but good to go.
I got a good deal on so that why I went with this one..
I am using a YHM little heavy but good to go.
I got a good deal on so that why I went with this one..
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Thanks for the info I'm def going to consider the 716, there's just so many rifles I want and not enough money to go around lol.
Thanks for the info I'm def going to consider the 716, there's just so many rifles I want and not enough money to go around lol.
Re: Sig 716
I picked one up a month ago. I had it to the range last week shoots great. It took me a while to figure out what optic I wanted on it. Went with the AimPoint Patrol Rifle Optic (PRO). It is not a custom firearm, but for a piston gun in .308 I paid $1790. To me it is a $hit hits the fan gun. Sight picture during recoil was awesome from a front rest to get it zeroed I could see the rounds hit the shoot and see targets, very little recoil. I didn’t have any malfunctions. I put about 60 rounds through it using Unimax re-manufactured and FGMM 168 at 25 and 50 yards. I am not sure of the accuracy with the rifle as I just getting it zeroed. I didn’t have a rear bag with me or a good front rest, just the block of wood for the front. I also didn’t have a good shooting position due to the height of the shooing table and the distance I needed to clear the mag. All that being said didn’t have a problem at that distance putting rounds within a ½ inch of the target ring numbers with no magnification.
Rifle came with what looks to be a good set of flip up back up sights, sling with quick detach sling swivels, cleaning kit, plastic case, not a card board box, P-Mag and lots of good features built into the rifle.
I picked one up a month ago. I had it to the range last week shoots great. It took me a while to figure out what optic I wanted on it. Went with the AimPoint Patrol Rifle Optic (PRO). It is not a custom firearm, but for a piston gun in .308 I paid $1790. To me it is a $hit hits the fan gun. Sight picture during recoil was awesome from a front rest to get it zeroed I could see the rounds hit the shoot and see targets, very little recoil. I didn’t have any malfunctions. I put about 60 rounds through it using Unimax re-manufactured and FGMM 168 at 25 and 50 yards. I am not sure of the accuracy with the rifle as I just getting it zeroed. I didn’t have a rear bag with me or a good front rest, just the block of wood for the front. I also didn’t have a good shooting position due to the height of the shooing table and the distance I needed to clear the mag. All that being said didn’t have a problem at that distance putting rounds within a ½ inch of the target ring numbers with no magnification.
Rifle came with what looks to be a good set of flip up back up sights, sling with quick detach sling swivels, cleaning kit, plastic case, not a card board box, P-Mag and lots of good features built into the rifle.
Re: Sig 716
I also picked one up about two months ago and put the Bushnell HDMR H-59 on it. I also tried to change the trigger to a Geissele DMR trigger but couldn't get it to clear the safety selector (not the actual safety in the lower, but the second trigger pin was blocked by the HDMR). I didn't want to do any extensive fitting so I installed a Geissele 3 Gun (and it fit right in without any problems). The new trigger breaks clean right about 3 lbs where the Sig trigger broke between 6.5lb to 7.5lbs. That significantly improved my groupings. The Sig will not take typical AR-10 accessories. For example, I tried to put in a Gasbuster charging handle, but the Sig is longer on the end that slides over the rod in the receiver from the piston). I also tried to install a A2 buttstock but the Sig's bolt is tuned to the buffer and spring and wouldn't run the extended buffer tube with a A2 or JP buffer. The 716 is also very nose heavy. Not a big deal shooting prone on a bipod or from a rest, but running it on a course or carrying for a few hours is a workout.
I'm happy overall with the performance. But if I had to do it all over again, I think I'd save up for an OBR. But it's over a grand cheaper than an OBR, so for what I paid, I think it was a really good buy.
Sig did a good job with the quad rail and how it meets up with the upper receiver. There is no slack or play. The piston assembly is very easy to clean (easier than an AK).
I also agree DMAX. It's a good gun for the value, recoil is very manageable with the heavy nose, and I breaking a little less than MOA shooting 150s and 168s with the new trigger. I ran some 175s, but the Sig performs better with the lighter loads. Hitting 4x4 post this past weekend at 513M was impressive (and fun).
I also picked one up about two months ago and put the Bushnell HDMR H-59 on it. I also tried to change the trigger to a Geissele DMR trigger but couldn't get it to clear the safety selector (not the actual safety in the lower, but the second trigger pin was blocked by the HDMR). I didn't want to do any extensive fitting so I installed a Geissele 3 Gun (and it fit right in without any problems). The new trigger breaks clean right about 3 lbs where the Sig trigger broke between 6.5lb to 7.5lbs. That significantly improved my groupings. The Sig will not take typical AR-10 accessories. For example, I tried to put in a Gasbuster charging handle, but the Sig is longer on the end that slides over the rod in the receiver from the piston). I also tried to install a A2 buttstock but the Sig's bolt is tuned to the buffer and spring and wouldn't run the extended buffer tube with a A2 or JP buffer. The 716 is also very nose heavy. Not a big deal shooting prone on a bipod or from a rest, but running it on a course or carrying for a few hours is a workout.
I'm happy overall with the performance. But if I had to do it all over again, I think I'd save up for an OBR. But it's over a grand cheaper than an OBR, so for what I paid, I think it was a really good buy.
Sig did a good job with the quad rail and how it meets up with the upper receiver. There is no slack or play. The piston assembly is very easy to clean (easier than an AK).
I also agree DMAX. It's a good gun for the value, recoil is very manageable with the heavy nose, and I breaking a little less than MOA shooting 150s and 168s with the new trigger. I ran some 175s, but the Sig performs better with the lighter loads. Hitting 4x4 post this past weekend at 513M was impressive (and fun).
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Hi, new member here. I have a problem with a Sig 716 I bought two weeks ago. At the same time as the Sig, I also bought a BCM Gunfighter charging handle because I have one in all my ARs. I got home, shotgunned the Sig, took out the Sig handle, dropped the BCM in and locked the rifle in my safe until I had more time. I'm planning a range trip with some friends on Thursday so I took it out tonight to clean/ inspect and generally familiarize myself with the piston system. The problem is that the BCM charging handle won't budge. It moves about 1/4" the stops, jammed tight.
Has anyone else had this problem? How do I remove the BCM in order to put the original Sig charging handle back in? And why doesn't Sig say that common AR parts won't work?! That's insane. Had I known that, I would have seriously considered another rifle.
Hi, new member here. I have a problem with a Sig 716 I bought two weeks ago. At the same time as the Sig, I also bought a BCM Gunfighter charging handle because I have one in all my ARs. I got home, shotgunned the Sig, took out the Sig handle, dropped the BCM in and locked the rifle in my safe until I had more time. I'm planning a range trip with some friends on Thursday so I took it out tonight to clean/ inspect and generally familiarize myself with the piston system. The problem is that the BCM charging handle won't budge. It moves about 1/4" the stops, jammed tight.
Has anyone else had this problem? How do I remove the BCM in order to put the original Sig charging handle back in? And why doesn't Sig say that common AR parts won't work?! That's insane. Had I known that, I would have seriously considered another rifle.
Re: Sig 716
Ok, so I used a very scientific method of removing the BCM charging handle. By jiggling the BCG enough to slide it back a bit, I could get the charging handle to release and come free. The original is back in!
Do NOT use the BCM Gunfighter charging handle with the Sig 716.
Ok, so I used a very scientific method of removing the BCM charging handle. By jiggling the BCG enough to slide it back a bit, I could get the charging handle to release and come free. The original is back in!
Do NOT use the BCM Gunfighter charging handle with the Sig 716.
Re: Sig 716
I took the new 716 to the range for the first time just to zero and get more familiar with it. All I had on hand was 150g Remington UMC MC in .308. I also brought 2 brand new PMAGs.
The rifle would not properly cycle with either magazine. I was only loading three at a time to zero. For the first three mags, I had to manually chamber each round with the charging handle. The case from the fired shot would eject, but then the next round would not get picked up from the magazine. It was a big single shot rifle. On the fourth magazine, the first shot went "bang"... then a double feed. I went through this for 40 rounds and was just frustrated, so I put the 716 aside and pulled out the M1A.
I checked the piston setting twice to ensure it was on "normal". On no magazine did the bolt stay locked to the rear after the last shot. I'm attributing this to a new weapon that maybe needs to be broken in a bit and that it might just not like Remington 150g UMC. So, I'll give it another good cleaning this weekend and see when I can go back out. On the next range trip I'll bring some different ammo and see what happens.
Has anyone else been having problems with the Sig 716 not cycling properly? I own 4 Sig pistols and have never had issues with any of them, but this is my first Sig rifle. This is also the first time I've been disappointed.
I took the new 716 to the range for the first time just to zero and get more familiar with it. All I had on hand was 150g Remington UMC MC in .308. I also brought 2 brand new PMAGs.
The rifle would not properly cycle with either magazine. I was only loading three at a time to zero. For the first three mags, I had to manually chamber each round with the charging handle. The case from the fired shot would eject, but then the next round would not get picked up from the magazine. It was a big single shot rifle. On the fourth magazine, the first shot went "bang"... then a double feed. I went through this for 40 rounds and was just frustrated, so I put the 716 aside and pulled out the M1A.
I checked the piston setting twice to ensure it was on "normal". On no magazine did the bolt stay locked to the rear after the last shot. I'm attributing this to a new weapon that maybe needs to be broken in a bit and that it might just not like Remington 150g UMC. So, I'll give it another good cleaning this weekend and see when I can go back out. On the next range trip I'll bring some different ammo and see what happens.
Has anyone else been having problems with the Sig 716 not cycling properly? I own 4 Sig pistols and have never had issues with any of them, but this is my first Sig rifle. This is also the first time I've been disappointed.
Re: Sig 716
Try some hotter ammo for break it. if the gas setting was GTG...I would say it's an ammo issue. Ensure your mags are properly seated as well.
Try some hotter ammo for break it. if the gas setting was GTG...I would say it's an ammo issue. Ensure your mags are properly seated as well.
Re: Sig 716
I have shot a 16" version. No feeding issues at all.Scoped it and groups were holding 2" or less at 100. This was a well used version with several thousand rounds through it.It was fed by PMags only.
The only ammo shot out of it was FGGM 168's when I shot it.
I have shot a 16" version. No feeding issues at all.Scoped it and groups were holding 2" or less at 100. This was a well used version with several thousand rounds through it.It was fed by PMags only.
The only ammo shot out of it was FGGM 168's when I shot it.
Re: Sig 716
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMAX2500HD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked one up a month ago. I had it to the range last week shoots great. It took me a while to figure out what optic I wanted on it. Went with the AimPoint Patrol Rifle Optic (PRO). <span style="color: #FF0000">It is not a custom firearm, but for a piston gun in .308 I paid $1790</span>.
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thats pretty damn cheap for a piston .308. i have a barrett rec7 that goes for 1900 new minus all of the extra bells and whistles that i added on (Battlecomp 2.0, KAC 2 stage full auto trigger, KAC BUIS, SOPMOD stock, MIAD grip, Magpul trigger guard, ASAP sling, Pentagon light, ARMS M69 mount... the list goes on) in other words, 1790 is a smokin deal. sig has good customer service also. you cant go wrong with it!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMAX2500HD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked one up a month ago. I had it to the range last week shoots great. It took me a while to figure out what optic I wanted on it. Went with the AimPoint Patrol Rifle Optic (PRO). <span style="color: #FF0000">It is not a custom firearm, but for a piston gun in .308 I paid $1790</span>.
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thats pretty damn cheap for a piston .308. i have a barrett rec7 that goes for 1900 new minus all of the extra bells and whistles that i added on (Battlecomp 2.0, KAC 2 stage full auto trigger, KAC BUIS, SOPMOD stock, MIAD grip, Magpul trigger guard, ASAP sling, Pentagon light, ARMS M69 mount... the list goes on) in other words, 1790 is a smokin deal. sig has good customer service also. you cant go wrong with it!
Re: Sig 716
Well, I went back to the range this past weekend with some Federal Gold Medal Match 175gr and different PMAGs than before. I had the exact same problems. The rifle is not cycling properly at all. It will eject the case, but not take a new one out of the magazine reliably. It will also not lock the bolt to the rear after the last shot. I had only one box on hand, so it was not an extensive session, but after 80 cumulative rounds through a brand new rifle, I have had only one 3 round magazine function as it should. Break in period or not, no new product should be that bad. I'll call Sig and see what they say.
Well, I went back to the range this past weekend with some Federal Gold Medal Match 175gr and different PMAGs than before. I had the exact same problems. The rifle is not cycling properly at all. It will eject the case, but not take a new one out of the magazine reliably. It will also not lock the bolt to the rear after the last shot. I had only one box on hand, so it was not an extensive session, but after 80 cumulative rounds through a brand new rifle, I have had only one 3 round magazine function as it should. Break in period or not, no new product should be that bad. I'll call Sig and see what they say.
Re: Sig 716
Defiantly call them; I have not had any issues from mine, albeit I only have 120 rounds through her.
Defiantly call them; I have not had any issues from mine, albeit I only have 120 rounds through her.
Re: Sig 716
I called Sig Customer Service today and explained the problem with the rifle not cycling properly. "Andy" asked me what kinds of ammo I had fired and what I used to clean and lubricate the weapon. After relaying my answers, he said that the Rem Oil I used to lubricate the 716 with has a habit of evaporating and that a thicker lubricant like Frog Lube should fix the problem... If a thicker lubricant doesn't work, then he said they would have a look at it.
He was very pleasant on the phone, but that's their explanation for a non-cycling weapon that is brand new? Use thick lubricant? I'm a bit annoyed now since it appears that the cycling issue is not a unique problem with the new 716. There are a couple others on the Sig Talk forum who have had similar cycling issues with their 716s. I'm either getting this rifle working or selling it, but I will definitely not buy another Sig rifle in the future.
I called Sig Customer Service today and explained the problem with the rifle not cycling properly. "Andy" asked me what kinds of ammo I had fired and what I used to clean and lubricate the weapon. After relaying my answers, he said that the Rem Oil I used to lubricate the 716 with has a habit of evaporating and that a thicker lubricant like Frog Lube should fix the problem... If a thicker lubricant doesn't work, then he said they would have a look at it.
He was very pleasant on the phone, but that's their explanation for a non-cycling weapon that is brand new? Use thick lubricant? I'm a bit annoyed now since it appears that the cycling issue is not a unique problem with the new 716. There are a couple others on the Sig Talk forum who have had similar cycling issues with their 716s. I'm either getting this rifle working or selling it, but I will definitely not buy another Sig rifle in the future.
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Well, I called Sig back this morning and "Andy" answered again. He started giving me the same "use the recommended lubricant" story and I stopped him. I said that if a new firearm doesn't work with one of the most common lubricants on the market, then it's not worth having, especially since Rem Oil works just fine on my Sig pistols.
He then said that it takes about 100 rounds for the firearm to be broken in. I responded that having 5 or 6 cycling issues in the first 100 is a break in. 60+ cycling issues out of 80 rounds is a real problem. I told him this is starting to sound like the problems that were had with early Mosquitoes that Sig denied for a year until they admitted it was a problem with a spring. I also mentioned that in searching the internet last night, it appears that there are others having the same issue. His response was that you can find anything on the Internet!! I told him, "True, but people don't lie about a new firearm not working."
I then said I had numerous Sig pistols made in Germany and loved them. I asked him point blank if Sig still stands by their products or not. He said yes, so I should have their RMA number within 30 minutes.
I've learned my lesson, though. I'm avoiding new models until they have been around a while, and I'm definitely not looking at new Sigs until they are proven. My impulsive buying got the better of me this time and I'm regretting it.
I'm very curious to hear others' experience with their Sig 516/716s, their reliability, and the quality of the service they have received from Sig itself. For those with cycling issues, do the weapons function reliably once they are returned?
Well, I called Sig back this morning and "Andy" answered again. He started giving me the same "use the recommended lubricant" story and I stopped him. I said that if a new firearm doesn't work with one of the most common lubricants on the market, then it's not worth having, especially since Rem Oil works just fine on my Sig pistols.
He then said that it takes about 100 rounds for the firearm to be broken in. I responded that having 5 or 6 cycling issues in the first 100 is a break in. 60+ cycling issues out of 80 rounds is a real problem. I told him this is starting to sound like the problems that were had with early Mosquitoes that Sig denied for a year until they admitted it was a problem with a spring. I also mentioned that in searching the internet last night, it appears that there are others having the same issue. His response was that you can find anything on the Internet!! I told him, "True, but people don't lie about a new firearm not working."
I then said I had numerous Sig pistols made in Germany and loved them. I asked him point blank if Sig still stands by their products or not. He said yes, so I should have their RMA number within 30 minutes.
I've learned my lesson, though. I'm avoiding new models until they have been around a while, and I'm definitely not looking at new Sigs until they are proven. My impulsive buying got the better of me this time and I'm regretting it.
I'm very curious to hear others' experience with their Sig 516/716s, their reliability, and the quality of the service they have received from Sig itself. For those with cycling issues, do the weapons function reliably once they are returned?
Re: Sig 716
I have this rifle, I have zero issues still with it, as well as it cycles EVERY kind of ammo I own.
I only use CLP and I have used Rem Oil in some of my AR's guess what it did? Made them run like ass. I think dry is better than Rem Oil honestly! My first run at the AR world I just assumed that oil was good for the rifle, I had no idea it was terrible. Some longer time shooters who shoot matches were at one of the local gun stores I listened to them for a bit then chimed in...
"Why does my rifle not cycle or jam?"
"What oil are you using?"
"Rem Oil"
<lots of sighs>
"That is your problem, use this <they handed me CLP>."
I have not had any issues since. Also, on piston guns don't over lube, follow the manu's guidelines to a T.
Also, my Sig 716's buffer tube had enough oil in it to lube a transmission, did you clean that out too?
Here is my initial posting on the rifle, I have put another 300 rounds through it since, still have only had one failure to feed. That was me not seating the mag all the way. I really like this rifle, I just need to get a trigger for it, but I have been lazy.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...059#Post3332059
I have this rifle, I have zero issues still with it, as well as it cycles EVERY kind of ammo I own.
I only use CLP and I have used Rem Oil in some of my AR's guess what it did? Made them run like ass. I think dry is better than Rem Oil honestly! My first run at the AR world I just assumed that oil was good for the rifle, I had no idea it was terrible. Some longer time shooters who shoot matches were at one of the local gun stores I listened to them for a bit then chimed in...
"Why does my rifle not cycle or jam?"
"What oil are you using?"
"Rem Oil"
<lots of sighs>
"That is your problem, use this <they handed me CLP>."
I have not had any issues since. Also, on piston guns don't over lube, follow the manu's guidelines to a T.
Also, my Sig 716's buffer tube had enough oil in it to lube a transmission, did you clean that out too?
Here is my initial posting on the rifle, I have put another 300 rounds through it since, still have only had one failure to feed. That was me not seating the mag all the way. I really like this rifle, I just need to get a trigger for it, but I have been lazy.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...059#Post3332059
Re: Sig 716
Yeah, my buffer tube could have run an engine with all the gunk coming out of it when I cleaned it the first time. Sig always seems to ship their weapons smothered.
I have a small, leftover bottle of CLP at home somewhere. I received the RMA number from Sig, but I'll give the 716 one more try at the range with cleaning and lubing with CLP before I send it to them. That will place it over 100 rounds (their break in period) and use a thicker lube. I'm not confident at all that it will change anything significantly, but Sig won't be able to say that I didn't follow their recommendations when I send it back.
Yeah, my buffer tube could have run an engine with all the gunk coming out of it when I cleaned it the first time. Sig always seems to ship their weapons smothered.
I have a small, leftover bottle of CLP at home somewhere. I received the RMA number from Sig, but I'll give the 716 one more try at the range with cleaning and lubing with CLP before I send it to them. That will place it over 100 rounds (their break in period) and use a thicker lube. I'm not confident at all that it will change anything significantly, but Sig won't be able to say that I didn't follow their recommendations when I send it back.
Re: Sig 716
I hope it gets fixed, nothing worse than a firearm that is not reliable.
I hope it gets fixed, nothing worse than a firearm that is not reliable.
Re: Sig 716
I have not had one problem with my 716. Take the gas port out just to be sure that a piece of crud didnt plug up one of the ports. Also try putting the gas system on the full open setting.
I have not had one problem with my 716. Take the gas port out just to be sure that a piece of crud didnt plug up one of the ports. Also try putting the gas system on the full open setting.
Re: Sig 716
Well, after talking with Sig customer service and getting an RMA number, I decided to switch lubricants and give one more try before sending it back. I didn't want Sig to be able to say that I didn't follow their recommendations before returning the 716 to them for a look. I bought some M Pro7 at the shop of the local NFA dealer since that's what they carry. I bought a 4oz bottle each of the cleaner and the LP oil. I cleaned and lubed the 716 for a third time.
This morning, I hit the range as it opened to simply function check the weapon. I put a target out, but I didn't really care about it. Would the 716 cycle with a "thicker lube" as Andy at Sig indicated? The short answer is... yes.
I brought FGMM 175gr (7.62x51), American Eagle 168gr OTM (7.62x51), and Fiocchi 150gr FMJ (.308). I went from heaviest to lightest figuring that if it was a break in issue, the heavier stuff would work the action more up front. I loaded 3 round magazines alternating from two different PMAGs.
The first magazine of FGMM 175gr fired perfectly. No cycling issues, bolt locked to the rear after the last shot. The second magazine had the second round fail to feed. (I thought, "great, here we go again".) After manually chambering the round, the last two fired fine, but the bolt did not lock to the rear. On the third magazine, all fired fine, but the bolt did not lock to the rear. The next magazine was flawless on all counts. At this point, I had three magazines in a row where the second round failed to feed, but the bolt locked to the rear on the last shot.
Kinda' grumbling, I switched to the 168gr. All of it was flawless! The 716 functioned the way I had anticipated when buying it. All rounds fed fine, the bolt locked open on the last shot, and I was starting to feel a little better. I put three more 175s through for good measure, and it cycled normally. I think this was the point where the 716 likely started being truly "broken in" because I fed the 150gr .308s next and they were all flawless, too.
So, bottom line is that the 716 appears to be functioning as it should using M Pro-7 cleaner and lubricant, and after having 140 rounds put through it. I'm going to call Sig on Monday, talk to Andy, and get the RMA canceled. I'll wait for another 200 rounds or so before making a final decision, but I may have rushed to judgement about the 716 and Sig. Call it my east coast impatience.
Well, after talking with Sig customer service and getting an RMA number, I decided to switch lubricants and give one more try before sending it back. I didn't want Sig to be able to say that I didn't follow their recommendations before returning the 716 to them for a look. I bought some M Pro7 at the shop of the local NFA dealer since that's what they carry. I bought a 4oz bottle each of the cleaner and the LP oil. I cleaned and lubed the 716 for a third time.
This morning, I hit the range as it opened to simply function check the weapon. I put a target out, but I didn't really care about it. Would the 716 cycle with a "thicker lube" as Andy at Sig indicated? The short answer is... yes.
I brought FGMM 175gr (7.62x51), American Eagle 168gr OTM (7.62x51), and Fiocchi 150gr FMJ (.308). I went from heaviest to lightest figuring that if it was a break in issue, the heavier stuff would work the action more up front. I loaded 3 round magazines alternating from two different PMAGs.
The first magazine of FGMM 175gr fired perfectly. No cycling issues, bolt locked to the rear after the last shot. The second magazine had the second round fail to feed. (I thought, "great, here we go again".) After manually chambering the round, the last two fired fine, but the bolt did not lock to the rear. On the third magazine, all fired fine, but the bolt did not lock to the rear. The next magazine was flawless on all counts. At this point, I had three magazines in a row where the second round failed to feed, but the bolt locked to the rear on the last shot.
Kinda' grumbling, I switched to the 168gr. All of it was flawless! The 716 functioned the way I had anticipated when buying it. All rounds fed fine, the bolt locked open on the last shot, and I was starting to feel a little better. I put three more 175s through for good measure, and it cycled normally. I think this was the point where the 716 likely started being truly "broken in" because I fed the 150gr .308s next and they were all flawless, too.
So, bottom line is that the 716 appears to be functioning as it should using M Pro-7 cleaner and lubricant, and after having 140 rounds put through it. I'm going to call Sig on Monday, talk to Andy, and get the RMA canceled. I'll wait for another 200 rounds or so before making a final decision, but I may have rushed to judgement about the 716 and Sig. Call it my east coast impatience.
Re: Sig 716
its good to see that the kinks seem to be working out. let us know how the next 200 rds go
its good to see that the kinks seem to be working out. let us know how the next 200 rds go
Re: Sig 716
Has anyone tried the 716 precision marksman yet or is this all 16" 716's?
I have shot the 16" with zero function issues that was a t&e gun from a sig rep Haven't shot the Precision marksman
Has anyone tried the 716 precision marksman yet or is this all 16" 716's?
I have shot the 16" with zero function issues that was a t&e gun from a sig rep Haven't shot the Precision marksman
Re: Sig 716
Glad to hear it worked out for you, it is not fun to have a firearm that does not function well.
This rifle really impressed me so much so that I bought a Sig 551A1 where I wouldn't have even thought of looking at one before. I had heard all these horror stories from people about Sig rifles so I steered clear of them till I held the 716.
Same thing on the sig 551, I shot 300 rounds through it a few days ago, no jams, no hiccups of any kind. But once again it had a mountain of grease in it, and took 2 cans of freaking solvent to finally get clean. Including all the hoppe's solvent with toothbrush time.
I just ordered a Geissele trigger and a battle comp muzzle brake, I really like the 716 so much, I use it more than any of my other 308s. I just love it.
Glad to hear it worked out for you, it is not fun to have a firearm that does not function well.
This rifle really impressed me so much so that I bought a Sig 551A1 where I wouldn't have even thought of looking at one before. I had heard all these horror stories from people about Sig rifles so I steered clear of them till I held the 716.
Same thing on the sig 551, I shot 300 rounds through it a few days ago, no jams, no hiccups of any kind. But once again it had a mountain of grease in it, and took 2 cans of freaking solvent to finally get clean. Including all the hoppe's solvent with toothbrush time.
I just ordered a Geissele trigger and a battle comp muzzle brake, I really like the 716 so much, I use it more than any of my other 308s. I just love it.
Re: Sig 716
Quick update here. I brought the 716 to the range for another function check this weekend. Total round count is now up to 220. I brought a mixture of ammo: American Eagle 168gr OTM (7.62x51), Fiocchi 150gr FMJ (.308) and Remington UMC 150gr. (.308). I fired 3, 5 and 10 round magazines to see how it would feed and cycle.
With the 168gr, it all fired just fine with one light primer strike. Overall, it seemed to like this ammo the best.
With the Fiocchi, there was one FTF and the bolt did not lock to the rear once when empty. Other than that, the 716 was cycling fine.
With the Remington 150gr... yeesh. It was horrible. There were 3 FTF in the first 15 rounds, and the bolt failed to lock to the rear twice. The 716 barely worked. So, I won't use those cartridges in the weapon again. Of note, the rounds that did not feed had significant dimples on them from being at a funny angle in the chamber. It's like they hung up on the feed ramp or something and got dented.
My M1A eats everything, the Sig at this point is much more picky with its ammo. Whether that's good or bad is up to you. I like thinking a weapon will work with what I can find because you never know when there is a shortage of particular rounds, or they're just not carried as often in the LGS. I have a small place so I don't tend to keep a lot of ammo on hand. I'm feeling a little better because the 716 seems to work reliably with the heavier 7.62x51 rounds. If you're going to shoot .308s, it gets much more iffy. There's a good chance that depending on manufacturer you could have problems. Next time I go, I'll bring 168gr and 175gr 7.62x51 ammo exclusively and see how she does.
Quick update here. I brought the 716 to the range for another function check this weekend. Total round count is now up to 220. I brought a mixture of ammo: American Eagle 168gr OTM (7.62x51), Fiocchi 150gr FMJ (.308) and Remington UMC 150gr. (.308). I fired 3, 5 and 10 round magazines to see how it would feed and cycle.
With the 168gr, it all fired just fine with one light primer strike. Overall, it seemed to like this ammo the best.
With the Fiocchi, there was one FTF and the bolt did not lock to the rear once when empty. Other than that, the 716 was cycling fine.
With the Remington 150gr... yeesh. It was horrible. There were 3 FTF in the first 15 rounds, and the bolt failed to lock to the rear twice. The 716 barely worked. So, I won't use those cartridges in the weapon again. Of note, the rounds that did not feed had significant dimples on them from being at a funny angle in the chamber. It's like they hung up on the feed ramp or something and got dented.
My M1A eats everything, the Sig at this point is much more picky with its ammo. Whether that's good or bad is up to you. I like thinking a weapon will work with what I can find because you never know when there is a shortage of particular rounds, or they're just not carried as often in the LGS. I have a small place so I don't tend to keep a lot of ammo on hand. I'm feeling a little better because the 716 seems to work reliably with the heavier 7.62x51 rounds. If you're going to shoot .308s, it gets much more iffy. There's a good chance that depending on manufacturer you could have problems. Next time I go, I'll bring 168gr and 175gr 7.62x51 ammo exclusively and see how she does.
