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7RSAUM Loads

Barney88PDC

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Let's get a page started for this caliber.

My reamer should be here Monday. Looking for a starting point. Going to be running 168 / 180 Berger's in a long action with .180 freebore. I have H-1000 and Retumbo but can pick up some H4831sc if needed.

Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: taliv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where'd you guys get brass? </div></div>

Trying to send PM, your inbox is full.
 
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4831sc is the powder for the 7SAUM I would recommend just going ahead and getting some
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DZelenka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I finally got to the range with a chronograph to test some 7mm SAUM loads. Here are the results.

New Nosler 7mm SAUM brass; 180 Berger VLD; 210M Primer in all loads. .015" into the lands (3.040" OAL). Temperature was 45 degrees.

Retumbo
64.5 gr 2869 fps
65.5 gr 2925 fps .40" @ 100 yards
66.0 gr 2950 fps .36" @ 100 yards

H1000
64.5 gr 2917 fps

Reloder 25
61.0 gr 2781 fps
62.0 gr 2811 fps .566" @ 100 yards
63.0 gr 2890 fps .485" @ 100 yards

I didn't experience sticky bolt lift on any load.

My plan is to play at 300 yards with 65.5 to 66.0 gr Retumbo and seating depth.

The rifle specs are as follows:

Remington 700 LA
Krieger 26" #5 contour; 1:9” twist; 5R rifled barrel
McMillan Remington Classic stock
Burris Zee rings and mounts
Leupold 6.5-20x50mm LRT with standard plex crosshair and M1 turrets
Remington Trigger
Beartooth Products cheek piece

Gunsmithing by Louisiana Precision Rifles </div></div>
 
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He was using 180 Bergers

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesBailey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, here are the loads that I plan to start with in my 7SAUM (currently waiting on a Manners stock). Note that these loads are based on several sources: several buddies of mine who are F-class open shooters (and the 7SAUM is an absolute beast in that event - almost unfair!), Berger (I contacted Walt Berger and he sent me their data), and lots of internet searching (Accurate Shooter.com 7mm page, this forum, several other forums). Also note that these are for a 2.950" COAL, which is my target (mag feed from a Alpha 300WSM mag in a short action).
<span style="font-weight: bold">
H4831sc (my 1st powder choice)</span>
start: 57.0, with +0.5gr increases in powder up until 62.0grs, expect to see pressure around 61.0.

<span style="font-weight: bold">H-1000 (my 2nd powder choice) </span>
start: 60.0, with +0.5gr increases in powder up until 65.0grs, expect to see pressure around 64.0.

<span style="font-weight: bold">H4350 (my 3d powder choice - this is the current rave of all the F-classers) </span>
start: 54.0, with +0.5gr increases in powder up until 58.5, expect to see pressure around 57.0.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Retumbo (my last powder choice - least amount of data on this powder)</span>
start: 61.0, with +0.5gr increase in powder up until 66.0. No idea on pressure expectations.

I *HOPE* I never get past testing H-1000, as I think the most consistent performers will be either H4831sc and/or H-1000.

Best of luck,
-James
</div></div>
 
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Tag-
I will try to remember to come back here and update this with some of my data.
 
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I began load development yesterday from my new hunting rig for Colorado. I wanted to see where I was on velocity first before I started shooting for groups as I did not want to waste time / components finding a great group that was say 200 fps slower than the neighborhood I wanted to be in.

Barrel: 26” 1:9 5R SS Krieger with JEC Muzzle Brake. Chamber has a 0.180” Free Bore

Chronograph: CED M2 with IR screens 10’ from muzzle.
Climate: 80F 10’ above Sea Level

Loads:
Brass: New Nosler 7SAUM
Bullet: 168 Berger VLD Hunting
Primer: CCI BR2

Length: 2.190” base to ojive using a Sinclair comparator, 2.975" OAL. This is with a 0.050” jump to the lands.

Powder H4831sc

Grains FPS
58.0 2713 First round ever down the barrel
59.0 2686 Not sure why slower maybe because barrel is brand new?
60.0 2771
61.0 2829
62.0 2894
63.0 2963
63.5 2982
64.5 2975, 2961, 2973, 2957
65.0 3012, 3027, 3009, 3014, 3001 Slight Ejector marks on brass.

I did a retest with the same specs above except with a Remington 9 ½ Magnum Primer

64.5 2958, 2985, 2967, 2987 so not much difference than a “regular” primer

Powder H1000

62.0 2690
64.0 2800
65.0 2876 Case was basically full

Retumbo

63.5 2750
65.0 2796 Case was almost full

So what I have determined is that for the 168 VLD H1000 and Retumbo are too slow to give me my desired velocity. I will retest with H4350 and go from there. I am sticking to Hodgdon Extreme powders as I do not want to have a great load at home (sea level and hot) and end up with a crappy one in Colorado (cold at altitude).


Climate: 85F 10’ above Sea Level Density Altitude 1725'

Powder H4350
Grains FPS
56.0 2812
57.0 2857
58.0 2892
59.0 2974
60.0 3035, 2987, 2976 Very Slight Ejector Marks
60.5 3011, 3024,3049, 3037
61.0 3077, 3094, 3089, 3030, 3038
61.5 3088, 3112, 3080 Ejector Marks

I did a retest with only 0.020” jump or 2.220” base to ojive, 3.005" OAL.

61.0 3039, 3036
61.5 3106, 3113, 3081
 
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Good question,

I am trying to keep the flight time under 1 second for considerations of the animal. I can make the perfect wind call and shot but if they move from the time I pull the trigger until the bullet arrives then I am off target and I do not want to wound or cripple animals. I have more respect for them than that.

So with having said that the drop out to 800 yards (1 second flight time) is less with a 168 going 3010 fps (and I am hoping to get more with 4350) than a 180 going 2930 fps which is about where I expect to get with them and the barrel length I have. The wind is almost identical as well at those ranges. Now the 180's do take over at further distances and would be "The Bullet" for paper / steel at say 1500 yards.

Secondly this is probably mute but I am hoping that the lower sectional density of the 168's will expand sooner and thus preform better in the smaller Mule Deer. (Probably more of a pipe dream than reality.) As I am sure they will be equally dead with either projectile.

I am always open for constructive discussion so Dan if you have any thoughts on this please reply. Thanks
 
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At 800 yards with the two loads that you described flight times are within 1/100 of a second at 800 yards so I think that is substantially a non-issue. The 168 VLD is about 1/2 MOA flatter while the 180 VLD is 1/4 MOA better in the wind, neither of which should make any difference. Impact velocities are virtually identical, but the 180 has a 100 lb/ft advantage in energy. That advantage is also inconsequential. On mule-deer, I would just pick the one that shoots best in my gun. The animal certainly will not know the difference.

On a related topic, I think you are selling yourself a bit short on velocity. The 180 in your barrel should go 2950 - 2970 fps without much fuss. It does in mine. You should be able to beat 3010 fps with the 168 fairly easily although I have no experience with that bullet in this cartridge. Your barrel should pick up some speed as it breaks in.

We need to get together and share info.

Dan
 
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Barrel: 26” 1:9 5R SS Krieger with JEC Muzzle Brake. Chamber has a 0.180” Free Bore

Chronograph: CED M2 with IR screens 10’ from muzzle.

Climate: 85F 10’ above Sea Level Density Altitude 1725'

Brass: New Nosler 7SAUM

Bullet: 168 Berger VLD Hunting

Primer: CCI BR2

Length: 2.190” base to ojive using a Sinclair comparator, 2.975" OAL. This is with a 0.050” jump to the lands.

Powder H4350

Grains FPS
56.0 2812
57.0 2857
58.0 2892
59.0 2974
60.0 3035, 2987, 2976 Very Slight Ejector Marks
60.5 3011, 3024,3049, 3037
61.0 3077, 3094, 3089, 3030, 3038
61.5 3088, 3112, 3080 Prominent Ejector Marks and hard bolt lift.

I did a retest with only 0.020” jump or 2.220” base to ojive, 3.005" OAL.

61.0 3039, 3036
61.5 3106, 3113, 3081
 
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Barrel: 26” 1:9 5R SS Krieger with JEC Muzzle Brake. Chamber has a 0.180” Free Bore

Chronograph: CED M2 with IR screens 10’ from muzzle.
Climate: 86F 10’ above Sea Level Density Altitude: 1940' Humidity: 58%

Loads:
Brass: Once Fired Nosler 7SAUM
Bullet: 180 Berger VLD Hunting
Primer: CCI BR2
Length: 2.260” base to ojive using a Sinclair comparator. This is jammed about 0.015” into the lands.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I could not get any desireable accuacy jumping the bullets. I had to jam them.</span>

Powder H4831sc

Grains FPS

59.0 2735
60.0 -
61.0 2821
62.0 2890
62.5 2900, 2907
63.0 2933, 2944, 2928, 2940, 2931, 2945
63.5 2961, 2960, 2978, 2972, 2955

Powder H1000

Grains FPS

61.0 2713
62.0 -
63.0 2806
64.0 2841
65.0 2922, 2918, 2883, 2858, 2890, 2894
65.5 2908, 2882, 2917, 2909, 2946

63.0 H4831sc and 65.5 H1000 were very promising loads both shooting under 1/2 MOA
 
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Anyone using magpro in their 7SAUM? I would be very interested in seeing how it stacks up against H1000 and RL-25 with the 180gr. Bergers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone using magpro in their 7SAUM? I would be very interested in seeing how it stacks up against H1000 and RL-25 with the 180gr. Bergers. </div></div>

Magpro has become my go to powder for my 7 RSAUM. I have a Big Horn short action with 28" Krieger #17 HV barrel in a KMW Sentinel stock. I had Dave at PTG cut a custom reamer with short free bore for the 180 gr Hybrids about .015 off the lands and 2.96 OAL.

Pet load is:
62.2 gr Magpro
180 gr Hybrid
Remington brass (weight sorted and prepped)
CCI #250 primer
MV = 2830 fps
.464 MOA 10 shots at 400 yds
I like Magpro because its a ball powder and meters well.

H1000 works as well:
62.4 gr H1000
180 gr Hybrid
Rem brass
CCI #250
MV = 2876 fps
.482 MOA 10 shots at 400 yds

If you want more speed try VV N560. Pet load is:
59 gr VV N560
180 gr Hybrid
Rem brass
CCI #250 primer
MV = 2990 fps
.338 MOA 9 shots (pulled #10) at 400 yds
This would be my go to powder but VV N560 is expensive.
 
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Thanks for the info squin, is that the max load for magpro? Looks like a pretty mild load out of a 28" barrel, which is a good thing. I didn't know magpro is a ball powder, is it a compressed load?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info squin, is that the max load for magpro? Looks like a pretty mild load out of a 28" barrel, which is a good thing. I didn't know magpro is a ball powder, is it a compressed load? </div></div>

Not a compressed load. QuickLoad says 98.4% fill which sounds about right and no signs of pressure. 62.4 was right on an accuracy node. Went as high as 63.3, still no signs of pressure, but ES was larger, and groups started to open up. I'm willing to give up some speed to get a better ES and better accuracy.

Give Magpro a try. My rifle likes it.
 
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I was planning on getting some after hearing stories of how well it performs in the short magnums and several other cartridges, I might have to give it a try.

what kind of velocity were you seeing with 63.3gr? about 2880fps?
 
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My go to load for my saum has been

63.3g of H1000 in Rem brass with 180 berger
or
62.6 in nosler/norma with 180 berger
Both are using fed mag primers and .005 of the lands

THe last time i chronoed the load it was 2975

Ive been playing with some retumbo but it hasn't impressed me yet

btw
How is everyone's brass holding up?
primer pockets?
how many reloads/what brand?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what kind of velocity were you seeing with 63.3gr? about 2880fps? </div></div>

Yep, 2880 fps was exactly what I got.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lvgolfer962</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is everyone's brass holding up?
primer pockets?
how many reloads/what brand? </div></div>

I have 3 reloads on my Remington brass. No problems to report. I anneal after after firing. Primer pockets are still tight, but my loads are not pushing the envelope either.
 
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I just lost 100 pcs of rem brass(mostly primer pockets) after 5x fired.

I will admit that these were not loaded the same and I was trying different loads and powders with this lot of brass

Im more curious to what is the avg brass life on this cartridge with a moderate load. This is my first run with a Magnum cartridge so I have no idea what to expect
 
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Oh crap. That's not good considering the availability of 7 RSAUM brass.

Anyone heard anything about when more brass will start to show up? $2 a pop Nosler brass just is not the direction I want to go.
 
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Next year according to a local supplier and midway, for the Remington brass. But in my experience its usually a bit longer
 
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5 loads is better than what I'm getting with Remington 300WSM, I'd be lucky to get 3 loads out of them before the primer pockets give out. Anyone have any news on whether or not another manufacturer is going to step in to make 7RSAUM brass?
 
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65.5 of H1000 in Nosler is what I am running. You can see the specs in my post above. Under 1/3 MOA at 300.

Guys please try to keep this on topic and post loads. Please PM to discuss or start a new thread no one wants to sift through pages of discussion to find actual load data. Thanks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney88PDC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">65.5 of H1000 in Nosler is what I am running. You can see the specs in my post above. Under 1/3 MOA at 300.

</div></div>


How are you getting 65.5g of h1000 in a nosler case?

If I put 65 grains of H1000 or retumbo in mine Its almost coming out the top of the neck.
 
Re: 7RSAUM Loads

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lvgolfer962</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney88PDC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">65.5 of H1000 in Nosler is what I am running. You can see the specs in my post above. Under 1/3 MOA at 300.

</div></div>


How are you getting 65.5g of h1000 in a nosler case?

If I put 65 grains of H1000 or retumbo in mine Its almost coming out the top of the neck. </div></div>

You have to use a drop tube. 66.0 of Retumbo fits pretty easily. It is a compressed charge if any of your bullet hangs into thebody of the case.

Dan
 
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My normal powder funnel I using was hitting the shoulder of the case and causing the funnel to not be on the neck and powder would fall outside the case. I took a SONIC drinking straw and cut me about a 2 1/2" peice and taped that to the underside of the funnel. The straw goes in the neck of the case to just below the neck. So basically I created a powder funnel I guess. Dump the powder in the funnel it falls through the straw and into the case. But with 65.5 H1000 it is a full charge. Every once and again I have to shake the case a bit to get the powder to settle before pulling the funnel / straw out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trailrider121</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone using 162 amax over some H4831 or H1000? Amax's are good practice bullets out to 1K. </div></div>


Me a my buddy that runs a long barreled saum have played around with the 162 amax a bit.


We tried 64 up to 65.5g of H1000 in rem brass. THey were hauling azz!

On the chrony we were using(im sure its about 100 fps on the high side)

180 berger 3150
162 amax 3400-3430 over 5 shots from 30 inch barrel (with 64g load)

we shot them to a mile and they needed about a mil more elev and a bunch more wind compared to the 180's



 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trailrider121</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone using 162 amax over some H4831 or H1000? Amax's are good practice bullets out to 1K. </div></div>

I have a "barrel saving" load with the 162gr Hornady HBPT (essentially the same bullet as the AMax). It is:

58.0gr H4831sc
Remington brass (culled for outlayers)
Fed 210 primers
2.820" OAL, which is 0.02" jump in my throat

This is doing 2850fps from my 26" Krieger 9twist, short action. Very precise in the OCW test I did in load development and than very accurate in long range shooting.

Barrel "seems" not as hot as when I'm shooting the 180gr over 60 to 62grs of H4831sc.... Who knows if it will save barrel, but at least it makes me feel better
smile.gif
 
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James,
What are you calling a "outlayer"?
Larger base?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">James,
What are you calling a "outlayer"?
Larger base? </div></div>

Sorry, that is a spelling error - should be "culled for outliers" (as defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier).

The culling process that I did was I weighed about 30 pieces for water capacity and noticed two things: (1) the group was normally distributed - i.e. approximately 2 out of 3 pieces around a mean water capacity weight, within +/- 1 grain, and the rest were higher and lower, meaning +/- 2 grains water capacity weight from mean. (2) the water capacity was very tightly correlated to the dry weight of the cartridge, meaning I could use the straight dry weight as a reliable predictor of internal cartridge capacity. So I weighed up the 300 pieces of Remington brass I had and took all the pieces that were within +/- 1 grain of my mean and canned any piece that was over that tolerance. This left me with about 200 pieces of the orginial 300 - these are the pieces I'm using. The remaining 100 pieces I canned as outliers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Big Horn short action with 28" Krieger #17 HV barrel in a KMW Sentinel stock. I had Dave at PTG cut a custom reamer with short free bore for the 180 gr Hybrids about .015 off the lands and 2.96 OAL.</div></div>

Freebore on your reamer?

Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinU</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Big Horn short action with 28" Krieger #17 HV barrel in a KMW Sentinel stock. I had Dave at PTG cut a custom reamer with short free bore for the 180 gr Hybrids about .015 off the lands and 2.96 OAL.</div></div>

Freebore on your reamer?

Thanks</div></div>

Freebore is .054. I built this on a short action that I had available, so 2.96 is about max OAL using Alpha mags. I give up some case capacity to load the 180 Hybrids short at 2.96 OAL, but it has worked very well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinU</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Big Horn short action with 28" Krieger #17 HV barrel in a KMW Sentinel stock. I had Dave at PTG cut a custom reamer with short free bore for the 180 gr Hybrids about .015 off the lands and 2.96 OAL.</div></div>

Freebore on your reamer?

Thanks</div></div>

Freebore is .054. I built this on a short action that I had available, so 2.96 is about max OAL using Alpha mags. I give up some case capacity to load the 180 Hybrids short at 2.96 OAL, but it has worked very well. </div></div>

Have a Bighorn SA as well, a Kreiger barrel on it's way and a pile of H1000.

Reamer print#?

Using a Redding bushing die? If so, what size bushing?

Alpha mags feed OK?

Thanks
 
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Kevin,
Where do you find your reamer #?
 
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Milo,

should be somewhere on the print, maybe top right? You or Chuck have a reamer with a FB like squins?

You know I haven't stopped thinking about a 7SAUM since that 1st trip up and seeing what your SAUM's can do!

Kevin
 
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On the top right it says- 7mm RSAUM Match
Bootom right Print# 36989

Some tolerances printed, lengths +.005 would be the only freebore number, I THINK ?????

My coal is over "3.0", I don't have any correctly loade rounds here, and gun is gone too.
My old brass won't work, so waiting on some.
Who's gonna plumb your gun, Dixon's reamer is close to this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinU</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinU</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: squin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Big Horn short action with 28" Krieger #17 HV barrel in a KMW Sentinel stock. I had Dave at PTG cut a custom reamer with short free bore for the 180 gr Hybrids about .015 off the lands and 2.96 OAL.</div></div>

Freebore on your reamer?

Thanks</div></div>

Freebore is .054. I built this on a short action that I had available, so 2.96 is about max OAL using Alpha mags. I give up some case capacity to load the 180 Hybrids short at 2.96 OAL, but it has worked very well. </div></div>

Have a Bighorn SA as well, a Kreiger barrel on it's way and a pile of H1000.

Reamer print#?

Using a Redding bushing die? If so, what size bushing?

Alpha mags feed OK?

Thanks</div></div>

Send me a PM with your email and I will send you the print.
 
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Anybody have load data on the 180 smk and how well it performs compared to the Berger hybrid? I have a couple boxes of the matchkings and some H4350 and 4831sc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PorkChop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody have load data on the 180 smk and how well it performs compared to the Berger hybrid? I have a couple boxes of the matchkings and some H4350 and 4831sc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated </div></div>


I tried a box of smk 180's and wasn't impressed.

Ran the same H1000 load ive been running with berger 180's
They were about one click short and a click or two more for wind at 1k. At a mile they needed over a mil more and a bunch more wind.

If your shooting less than 1k they will work, but any farther and your handicapping yourself imo
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PorkChop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody have load data on the 180 smk and how well it performs compared to the Berger hybrid? I have a couple boxes of the matchkings and some H4350 and 4831sc.
Any help would be greatly appreciated </div></div>

Couldn't get them into my chamber without smashing them into lands. The chamber was reamed for the 180gr Berger Hybrid.
 
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Thanks for the info fellas. I am starting to wish I had spent the money on the bergers.
Are the Berger hybrids as jump sensitive as the vld's? I would like to avoid jamming them if I can.
Thanks again
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PorkChop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info fellas. I am starting to wish I had spent the money on the bergers.
Are the Berger hybrids as jump sensitive as the vld's? I would like to avoid jamming them if I can.
Thanks again </div></div>
Not at all, I had a gun shooting lights out with 1 1/2" of freebore, wore out.
 
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