So I just finished watching Art of the Precision Rifle which had some good info but overall seemed like a big commercial for various vendors. I noticed Todd make the comment that the Larue OBR was much more accurate than other AR makers because Mark knows how to run his CNC machines and makes his parts to very tight tolerances. I don't know if I'm missing something but besides the barrel and trigger there's not a whole lot more to an AR type rifle when accuracy comes in. Was that comment just another part of the marketing in the video or is there any truth to what Todd was saying?
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Yep, Todd and Mark are buddies, Todd is a shill for Horus and Larue. He may have a smooth way of thinking he is preaching some high speed stuff, but its fundamentals and a whole lot of "the Horus system is bad ass and used by operators there for you should use it"
Yep, Todd and Mark are buddies, Todd is a shill for Horus and Larue. He may have a smooth way of thinking he is preaching some high speed stuff, but its fundamentals and a whole lot of "the Horus system is bad ass and used by operators there for you should use it"
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I agree that video has lots of plugs.
I do however believe that Larue OBRs and other high quality AR10s (e.g. GAP-10, JP, etc) are in general more accurate than some others. The tolerances and fit of the upper and lower, movement between these parts does effect accuracy. How consistently the bolt assembly engages and fits, etc...
Having shot a DPMS AR10 vs POF vs GAP10 and compared them directly, I found a definite difference in accuracy between the different platforms.
I agree that video has lots of plugs.
I do however believe that Larue OBRs and other high quality AR10s (e.g. GAP-10, JP, etc) are in general more accurate than some others. The tolerances and fit of the upper and lower, movement between these parts does effect accuracy. How consistently the bolt assembly engages and fits, etc...
Having shot a DPMS AR10 vs POF vs GAP10 and compared them directly, I found a definite difference in accuracy between the different platforms.
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They are well made AR's, but the cool-aide is strong with a lot of their customers.. nothing against LaRue of course, good on them!
They are well made AR's, but the cool-aide is strong with a lot of their customers.. nothing against LaRue of course, good on them!
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Is there any statistical data saying upper lower fit has anything to do with accuracy? Everything effecting the bolt is contained in the upper.
Is there any statistical data saying upper lower fit has anything to do with accuracy? Everything effecting the bolt is contained in the upper.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there any statistical data saying upper lower fit has anything to do with accuracy? Everything effecting the bolt is contained in the upper. </div></div>
Right, I also thought the current consensus was that upper/lower fit had no effect on accuracy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there any statistical data saying upper lower fit has anything to do with accuracy? Everything effecting the bolt is contained in the upper. </div></div>
Right, I also thought the current consensus was that upper/lower fit had no effect on accuracy.
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One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass...
One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass...
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The OBR is made with very tight tolerances for sure. Im not sure its made to any tighter tolerances than say a JP or GAP but they are nice rifles for sure.
The OBR is made with very tight tolerances for sure. Im not sure its made to any tighter tolerances than say a JP or GAP but they are nice rifles for sure.
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Well crap. I was going to get the video. Probably not now.
Well crap. I was going to get the video. Probably not now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass... </div></div>
If you are properly shooting the gun, meaning you dont wiggle the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot
the upper lower fit means absolutely dick
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass... </div></div>
If you are properly shooting the gun, meaning you dont wiggle the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass... </div></div>
If you are properly shooting the gun, meaning you dont wiggle the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot the upper lower fit means absolutely dick </div></div>
In order to keep the same sight picture one would have to "torque" the rifle in a consistent manner... I prefer to shoot a rifle that allow me to focus on the 4 fundamentals and not fuck around with applying the needed pressure to stabilize the rifle... call me crazy. Of all the competitive shoots (and military experiences) that I've partaken in, I never have had to think about " wiggling the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot"... perhaps this is due to the fact that I don't buy poorly manufactured shit that has loose tolerances.
To each his own brother...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One aspect to consider:
Lay behind an ar-15 that has slop and notice how the reticle dances around when the upper and lower are moved independently.... how can one achieve the same POA/POI with this variable.....
and if your going to say that doesn't matter... throw an anti-cant bubble on your glass... </div></div>
If you are properly shooting the gun, meaning you dont wiggle the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot
In order to keep the same sight picture one would have to "torque" the rifle in a consistent manner... I prefer to shoot a rifle that allow me to focus on the 4 fundamentals and not fuck around with applying the needed pressure to stabilize the rifle... call me crazy. Of all the competitive shoots (and military experiences) that I've partaken in, I never have had to think about " wiggling the gun back and forth while attempting to shoot"... perhaps this is due to the fact that I don't buy poorly manufactured shit that has loose tolerances.
To each his own brother...
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Not neede here
Not neede here
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roger, your vast military experiences far supersede mine and your competitive shoots sound interesting, care to share? Likewise what are those cool sounding military experiences that you speak of? So you don't load a bipod? That's torquing the rifle. Perhaps I could give 2 fucks if you think I buy cheap shit. You will note the fact that the upper/lower play means absolutely dick in the grand scheme of things, but keep telling yourself that.
Ill edit to add, that if you make yourself feel better by downplaying my gear (without knowing what I shoot) by all means bad-ass. Likewise, I think we would be in agreement that there isn't a single lower/upper fit that wobbles as bad as you make it sound. So if you can point me somewhere that gives real hard data, not your anecdotal bullshit, then I may take your "gospel" into account </div></div>
First, let me start by stating I never intended to attack you or your kit bud... I know that your an experienced and well trained individual with quality gear (i.e KAC EMC). I was simply stating that there are some manufactures that have an excessive amount of play that is not beneficial in any way.
Second, I may of not of been a Marine scout sniper (to that I tip my hat to you sir) but I too am a certified 11b-4b and did two tours overseas in my scout platoon section. Again, I am not comparing myself to you. Nor do I care to get into such arguments.
All I was trying to point out, that the discussed "wobble" in my humble opinion offers no advantage. When I pay the current day prices for these "precision" rifles I expect the quality of the build to mirror that price.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roger, your vast military experiences far supersede mine and your competitive shoots sound interesting, care to share? Likewise what are those cool sounding military experiences that you speak of?
Ill edit to add, that if you make yourself feel better by downplaying my gear (without knowing what I shoot) by all means bad-ass. Likewise, I think we would be in agreement that there isn't a single lower/upper fit that wobbles as bad as you make it sound. So if you can point me somewhere that gives real hard data, not your anecdotal bullshit, then I may take your "gospel" into account </div></div>
First, let me start by stating I never intended to attack you or your kit bud... I know that your an experienced and well trained individual with quality gear (i.e KAC EMC). I was simply stating that there are some manufactures that have an excessive amount of play that is not beneficial in any way.
Second, I may of not of been a Marine scout sniper (to that I tip my hat to you sir) but I too am a certified 11b-4b and did two tours overseas in my scout platoon section. Again, I am not comparing myself to you. Nor do I care to get into such arguments.
All I was trying to point out, that the discussed "wobble" in my humble opinion offers no advantage. When I pay the current day prices for these "precision" rifles I expect the quality of the build to mirror that price.
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My apologies. I guess some alcohol and reading to much into it happened. For that I apologize.
I am with you that wobble isn't a good thing, but it has no effect on accuracy. My SR15 wobbles similar to a well abused issue M4 but the accuracy when a scope slapped on it is about 3/4 moa with bh 77smks. Does it bother me a little, but it definitely doesn't hurt accuracy. If the upper and lower have wobble and you are loading the bipod and try and wiggle the gun it will rotate the lower not the upper. It rotating on two axis points but the heart of the system the barrel isn't moving unless significant lateral force is applied.
My apologies. I guess some alcohol and reading to much into it happened. For that I apologize.
I am with you that wobble isn't a good thing, but it has no effect on accuracy. My SR15 wobbles similar to a well abused issue M4 but the accuracy when a scope slapped on it is about 3/4 moa with bh 77smks. Does it bother me a little, but it definitely doesn't hurt accuracy. If the upper and lower have wobble and you are loading the bipod and try and wiggle the gun it will rotate the lower not the upper. It rotating on two axis points but the heart of the system the barrel isn't moving unless significant lateral force is applied.
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Accuwedge for the win...
Accuwedge for the win...
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Here's my thought on this. I bought a GAP AR10 a number of years ago when they were using DPMS receivers. DPMS isn't exactly known for making parts with tight tolerances (definitely not in the same league as Larue), however everyone knows that the GAP AR10s are very accurate. I'm attributing that characteristic to mainly the barrel and trigger.
Here's my thought on this. I bought a GAP AR10 a number of years ago when they were using DPMS receivers. DPMS isn't exactly known for making parts with tight tolerances (definitely not in the same league as Larue), however everyone knows that the GAP AR10s are very accurate. I'm attributing that characteristic to mainly the barrel and trigger.
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roger, your vast military experiences far supersede mine and your competitive shoots sound interesting, care to share? Likewise what are those cool sounding military experiences that you speak of? So you don't load a bipod? That's torquing the rifle. Perhaps I could give 2 fucks if you think I buy cheap shit. You will note the fact that the upper/lower play means absolutely dick in the grand scheme of things, but keep telling yourself that.
Ill edit to add, that if you make yourself feel better by downplaying my gear (without knowing what I shoot) by all means bad-ass. Likewise, I think we would be in agreement that there isn't a single lower/upper fit that wobbles as bad as you make it sound. So if you can point me somewhere that gives real hard data, not your anecdotal bullshit, then I may take your "gospel" into account </div></div>
Hey guys lets chill out for a moment and be cool about this. I don't think K_4c was trying to give you the gospel, just his opinion based off of his experience. Anecdotal yes but are you not the pot calling the kettle black? It is certainly not professional to hold someone else to a different standard that you are not willing to abide by. Perhaps you could provide some factual data that supports your claims.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roger, your vast military experiences far supersede mine and your competitive shoots sound interesting, care to share? Likewise what are those cool sounding military experiences that you speak of?
Ill edit to add, that if you make yourself feel better by downplaying my gear (without knowing what I shoot) by all means bad-ass. Likewise, I think we would be in agreement that there isn't a single lower/upper fit that wobbles as bad as you make it sound. So if you can point me somewhere that gives real hard data, not your anecdotal bullshit, then I may take your "gospel" into account </div></div>
Hey guys lets chill out for a moment and be cool about this. I don't think K_4c was trying to give you the gospel, just his opinion based off of his experience. Anecdotal yes but are you not the pot calling the kettle black? It is certainly not professional to hold someone else to a different standard that you are not willing to abide by. Perhaps you could provide some factual data that supports your claims.
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You mentioned some valid points.... And I can concur with your findings. However, lets say your proned out behind the rifle... you have a proper cheek weld and required grip (I tend to shoot with an open palm rather then the traditional thumb wrapped grip)... the only other contact is the bi-pod to the rail (and yes, I pre load my atlas).
when your behind the rifle in this position and looking through glass, one can see the cant take affect due to the slop in the two components. At extended ranges I have seen the ill affects of such situation.
I recently attended a shoot up in South Dakota. My LWRC has just enough movement to drive me fucking nuts.... and with a 1-4 power optic and a 600 meter target my crosshairs would slightly shift from the 11 o'clock line of white to the 1 o'clock line of white on a ipsc target. I have felt a few other weapon systems with way more slop and assume the issues would be even more noticeable. Again this is just my humble opinion.
You mentioned some valid points.... And I can concur with your findings. However, lets say your proned out behind the rifle... you have a proper cheek weld and required grip (I tend to shoot with an open palm rather then the traditional thumb wrapped grip)... the only other contact is the bi-pod to the rail (and yes, I pre load my atlas).
when your behind the rifle in this position and looking through glass, one can see the cant take affect due to the slop in the two components. At extended ranges I have seen the ill affects of such situation.
I recently attended a shoot up in South Dakota. My LWRC has just enough movement to drive me fucking nuts.... and with a 1-4 power optic and a 600 meter target my crosshairs would slightly shift from the 11 o'clock line of white to the 1 o'clock line of white on a ipsc target. I have felt a few other weapon systems with way more slop and assume the issues would be even more noticeable. Again this is just my humble opinion.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both your guys shit sucks... Hi-Point for the win... </div></div>
I have one of those too. It's super snipery
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Both your guys shit sucks... Hi-Point for the win... </div></div>
I have one of those too. It's super snipery
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I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it.
I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it.
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Frank a baby panda just died because you are shooting a Larue
Frank a baby panda just died because you are shooting a Larue
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank a baby panda just died because you are shooting a Larue </div></div>
I saw that and openly wept, it's the real reason I changed my mind.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank a baby panda just died because you are shooting a Larue
I saw that and openly wept, it's the real reason I changed my mind.
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Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations.
Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations.
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I personally have no hate towards Larue gear or rifles. I just think the head Indian over there is an ass.
He does make good kit though.
I personally have no hate towards Larue gear or rifles. I just think the head Indian over there is an ass.
He does make good kit though.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations. </div></div>
Good for you,
What do think you would say if you found a product(s) that cost an average of $600 less, performed to the same standard, or better yet one that opened up your choices.... While exceeding those standards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations. </div></div>
Good for you,
What do think you would say if you found a product(s) that cost an average of $600 less, performed to the same standard, or better yet one that opened up your choices.... While exceeding those standards.
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I hate f'ing pandas... But I like my OBR.
I hate f'ing pandas... But I like my OBR.
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Who makes that scope? What model is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div>
Who makes that scope? What model is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div>
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations. </div></div>
Good for you,
What do think you would say if you found a product(s) that cost an average of $600 less, performed to the same standard, or better yet one that opened up your choices.... While exceeding those standards. </div></div>
I'd say I'm glad I got my OBR before prices sky rocketed (that is bullshit, but thats the beauty of a capitalistic economy/supply and demand) and I already have an LMT MWS that shows promise but still lacks in build quality (machining marks around the mag release, weak buffer spring from the factory, torque wrench/rail panels that are cheap as shit had to be replaced).
However, I get your point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, the love for Larue products here... I don't buy into all the hate for each other (your big boys and can handle your own affairs...) I simply find a product that performs up to my standards and I'm good to go. Frank, I've supported many of your products (and still do) but my OBR has exceeded my expectations. </div></div>
Good for you,
What do think you would say if you found a product(s) that cost an average of $600 less, performed to the same standard, or better yet one that opened up your choices.... While exceeding those standards. </div></div>
I'd say I'm glad I got my OBR before prices sky rocketed (that is bullshit, but thats the beauty of a capitalistic economy/supply and demand) and I already have an LMT MWS that shows promise but still lacks in build quality (machining marks around the mag release, weak buffer spring from the factory, torque wrench/rail panels that are cheap as shit had to be replaced).
However, I get your point.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenaja</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who makes that scope? What model is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
It's the new Bushnell HDMR
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div> </div></div>
New Bushnell HDMR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenaja</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who makes that scope? What model is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot an OBR two weeks ago, it was so awesome I was like,
Dude this is so awesome .
It's the new Bushnell HDMR
I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div> </div></div>
New Bushnell HDMR
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Not in that color, but that model is available.
Not in that color, but that model is available.
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With the price of the GAP 10 starting at $2650 or there abouts I cant see why people would buy anything else. Why pay considerably more for something that you don't get considerably more out of?
With the price of the GAP 10 starting at $2650 or there abouts I cant see why people would buy anything else. Why pay considerably more for something that you don't get considerably more out of?
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It's just the G2 version, with 10 mils per turn, zero stops and locking turret.
I believe you can buy it now just in Black, as the FDE is not available
It's just the G2 version, with 10 mils per turn, zero stops and locking turret.
I believe you can buy it now just in Black, as the FDE is not available
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With the price of the GAP 10 starting at $2650 or there abouts I cant see why people would buy anything else. Why pay considerably more for something that you don't get considerably more out of? </div></div>
it's a bit more than that, you can actually 'spec" out the rifle to suit your needs... you can change the color, you can change the caliber, among other things. So why not get it your way, instead of taking what they are giving you, at a premium price.
We do have better CNC machining, better barrels, <span style="font-style: italic">(by the way Bartein makes the best barrel in the industry, so I want that rifle)</span> better bullets, and yes, triggers, so getting sub MOA accuracy is not a trick, it's simple a by product of the improvements in technology.
I have an older GAP AR10 I spec'd out long before the OBR hit the streets, with a tight bore Bartlein on a 16" 308 I get over 2600fps and the rifle shoots 1 MOA At 800 yards, others have experienced it. It only needs 39 MOA to 1000 yards, why, because I spec'd to be superior. The GAP10 is an improvement over that model, and GAP actually did a SH AR10 in 2004 I believe it was. With the Mike Rock Barrels back then they were sub MOA and the Soldier winning the Army Sniper Comp back then, more than 8 years ago, won with an GAP AR10. They just didn't make a national holiday around it.
The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With the price of the GAP 10 starting at $2650 or there abouts I cant see why people would buy anything else. Why pay considerably more for something that you don't get considerably more out of? </div></div>
it's a bit more than that, you can actually 'spec" out the rifle to suit your needs... you can change the color, you can change the caliber, among other things. So why not get it your way, instead of taking what they are giving you, at a premium price.
We do have better CNC machining, better barrels, <span style="font-style: italic">(by the way Bartein makes the best barrel in the industry, so I want that rifle)</span> better bullets, and yes, triggers, so getting sub MOA accuracy is not a trick, it's simple a by product of the improvements in technology.
I have an older GAP AR10 I spec'd out long before the OBR hit the streets, with a tight bore Bartlein on a 16" 308 I get over 2600fps and the rifle shoots 1 MOA At 800 yards, others have experienced it. It only needs 39 MOA to 1000 yards, why, because I spec'd to be superior. The GAP10 is an improvement over that model, and GAP actually did a SH AR10 in 2004 I believe it was. With the Mike Rock Barrels back then they were sub MOA and the Soldier winning the Army Sniper Comp back then, more than 8 years ago, won with an GAP AR10. They just didn't make a national holiday around it.
The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples.
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div>
I'm so emotional right now... I'm laughing and yet I hate you at the same time for some weird reason...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I almost thought about giving up my GAP10, or my EMC, or my JD, or my POF, or my other POF or my Other GAP AR10, or my other GAP AR10, or my LMT MWS, but then decided against it. </div></div>
I'm so emotional right now... I'm laughing and yet I hate you at the same time for some weird reason...
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples. </div></div>With an attitude like that you'll never have your own private jet, nevermind have it paid-for at an extra $600 profit per rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples. </div></div>With an attitude like that you'll never have your own private jet, nevermind have it paid-for at an extra $600 profit per rifle.
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day?
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night......
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Was Mark with you? If so you might want to get yourself checked out...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Was Mark with you? If so you might want to get yourself checked out...
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
it's a bit more than that, you can actually 'spec" out the rifle to suit your needs... you can change the color, you can change the caliber, among other things. So why not get it your way, instead of taking what they are giving you, at a premium price.
We do have better CNC machining, better barrels, <span style="font-style: italic">(by the way Bartein makes the best barrel in the industry, so I want that rifle)</span> better bullets, and yes, triggers, so getting sub MOA accuracy is not a trick, it's simple a by product of the improvements in technology.
I have an older GAP AR10 I spec'd out long before the OBR hit the streets, with a tight bore Bartlein on a 16" 308 I get over 2600fps and the rifle shoots 1 MOA At 800 yards, others have experienced it. It only needs 39 MOA to 1000 yards, why, because I spec'd to be superior. The GAP10 is an improvement over that model, and GAP actually did a SH AR10 in 2004 I believe it was. With the Mike Rock Barrels back then they were sub MOA and the Soldier winning the Army Sniper Comp back then, more than 8 years ago, won with an GAP AR10. They just didn't make a national holiday around it.
The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples. </div></div>
I agree with that....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
it's a bit more than that, you can actually 'spec" out the rifle to suit your needs... you can change the color, you can change the caliber, among other things. So why not get it your way, instead of taking what they are giving you, at a premium price.
We do have better CNC machining, better barrels, <span style="font-style: italic">(by the way Bartein makes the best barrel in the industry, so I want that rifle)</span> better bullets, and yes, triggers, so getting sub MOA accuracy is not a trick, it's simple a by product of the improvements in technology.
I have an older GAP AR10 I spec'd out long before the OBR hit the streets, with a tight bore Bartlein on a 16" 308 I get over 2600fps and the rifle shoots 1 MOA At 800 yards, others have experienced it. It only needs 39 MOA to 1000 yards, why, because I spec'd to be superior. The GAP10 is an improvement over that model, and GAP actually did a SH AR10 in 2004 I believe it was. With the Mike Rock Barrels back then they were sub MOA and the Soldier winning the Army Sniper Comp back then, more than 8 years ago, won with an GAP AR10. They just didn't make a national holiday around it.
The OBR is an excellent rifle, but the amount of hype behind it is more a function of the fans that buy anything LT. Usually it because they haven't really tried anything else that compares Apples to Apples. </div></div>
I agree with that....
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Was Mark with you? If so you might want to get yourself checked out... </div></div>
Come on you know Mark would "Lay out Deadly or I" if we ever got in close proximity to him in his native land.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How did I miss this thread......... </div></div>
You spend all your time in the Shout Box and forget there's real people with real issues out there that need our wise words to get them through their day? </div></div>
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Was Mark with you? If so you might want to get yourself checked out... </div></div>
Come on you know Mark would "Lay out Deadly or I" if we ever got in close proximity to him in his native land.
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come on you know Mark would "Lay out Deadly or I" if we ever got in close proximity to him in his native land. </div></div>
Shhhh... I sense his presence...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come on you know Mark would "Lay out Deadly or I" if we ever got in close proximity to him in his native land. </div></div>
Shhhh... I sense his presence...
Re: Larue OBR/Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Hats off to you sir, that is nothing short of sig line worthiness...throw in a few little people, and another hooker or two for effect, and your right up there with Charlie Sheen
It's amazing how a grown man (age wise) can act like such a little schoolgirl as Mark Larue does daily. At least he is humble being a boutique scope/acc. mount builder/ inventor of XTRAN.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No....I think it was the fact I was doing lines of Dillo Dust off a Texas Hookers ass last night...... </div></div>
Hats off to you sir, that is nothing short of sig line worthiness...throw in a few little people, and another hooker or two for effect, and your right up there with Charlie Sheen
It's amazing how a grown man (age wise) can act like such a little schoolgirl as Mark Larue does daily. At least he is humble being a boutique scope/acc. mount builder/ inventor of XTRAN.
