I suppose that's the question I have, did the heavies come out in force or was it a mixed bag across the top finishers.
F T/R Competition 2012 Nationals what bullet stood out in FTR.
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Some of the top shooters were less than forthcoming with info, but from what I can gather there were a lot of them shooting the Berger 200 Hybrid, but I'd bet that the 185 LRBT was the most used.
Some of the top shooters were less than forthcoming with info, but from what I can gather there were a lot of them shooting the Berger 200 Hybrid, but I'd bet that the 185 LRBT was the most used.
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Hello to all
I am new to the forum and it looks like a great place to learn and share. I am probably not posting this in the correct section but the search bar was not helpful.
I live in Texas and shoot at the El Paso Rod and Gun Club. I have not meet any F-TR shooters at the range and I would like to find a group with your help. Can anyone point me in the right direction
Thanks
Hello to all
I am new to the forum and it looks like a great place to learn and share. I am probably not posting this in the correct section but the search bar was not helpful.
I live in Texas and shoot at the El Paso Rod and Gun Club. I have not meet any F-TR shooters at the range and I would like to find a group with your help. Can anyone point me in the right direction
Thanks
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Texasbrian,
Welcome to the Hide! In addition to posting your question as you did in the F-Class forum here at Sniper's Hide, you might also check out the following thread listing sites for F-Class matches all over the country to see if there are any in your neck of the woods:
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3787129.0
This is definitely the correct forum, but I would recommend that you either re-post your question as a new topic (rather than in an existing thread on a different topic), or ask a moderator to set it up as as a new topic in the F-Class forum as you would be likely to get more responses. This is a great community and I hope you enjoy it here!
Texasbrian,
Welcome to the Hide! In addition to posting your question as you did in the F-Class forum here at Sniper's Hide, you might also check out the following thread listing sites for F-Class matches all over the country to see if there are any in your neck of the woods:
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3787129.0
This is definitely the correct forum, but I would recommend that you either re-post your question as a new topic (rather than in an existing thread on a different topic), or ask a moderator to set it up as as a new topic in the F-Class forum as you would be likely to get more responses. This is a great community and I hope you enjoy it here!
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gstaylorg
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
gstaylorg
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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Marty,
The matches were a mixed bag as far as bullet weight goes. The conditions were for the most part *very* un-Raton like, in that the winds were generally much quieter than usual. This is not to say that there weren't some tricky conditions, but as a general rule, the winds weren't massive. For the US Team, I chronographed all of the current loads. They ranged from 155.5's all the way up to 230's. The lion's share were running 185 Bergers, with 3 or so running 200's. As is evidenced by the scores (and a new National record at 1000), the 200's were running very well. The 185's took many a medal as well. The 230's took exactly one medal. Given the conditions, the 155's and 155.5's also did fairly well, with Trudie Fay cleaning up with them in the SOA matches.
With the unusual conditions this year, the emphasis was on the pure accuracy of your loads, not necessarily how much wind you could shoot through. My guess is that next year will be a different story... Historically it should anyway!
Bullet selection aside, the people that shone at Nationals this year were not particularly a surprise, they were the guys that have been on fire all this year, notably (Gold, Silver, and Bronze: James Crofts, Jeff Rorer, and Dan Pohlabel).
Best,
Darrell
Marty,
The matches were a mixed bag as far as bullet weight goes. The conditions were for the most part *very* un-Raton like, in that the winds were generally much quieter than usual. This is not to say that there weren't some tricky conditions, but as a general rule, the winds weren't massive. For the US Team, I chronographed all of the current loads. They ranged from 155.5's all the way up to 230's. The lion's share were running 185 Bergers, with 3 or so running 200's. As is evidenced by the scores (and a new National record at 1000), the 200's were running very well. The 185's took many a medal as well. The 230's took exactly one medal. Given the conditions, the 155's and 155.5's also did fairly well, with Trudie Fay cleaning up with them in the SOA matches.
With the unusual conditions this year, the emphasis was on the pure accuracy of your loads, not necessarily how much wind you could shoot through. My guess is that next year will be a different story... Historically it should anyway!
Bullet selection aside, the people that shone at Nationals this year were not particularly a surprise, they were the guys that have been on fire all this year, notably (Gold, Silver, and Bronze: James Crofts, Jeff Rorer, and Dan Pohlabel).
Best,
Darrell
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Damm 230's out of a .308 win with sufficient velocity to 1k has to lead to some hot loads and short case life (doesn't it?) even with a great bc bullet.
Curious about this.
Respectfully,
Chet
Damm 230's out of a .308 win with sufficient velocity to 1k has to lead to some hot loads and short case life (doesn't it?) even with a great bc bullet.
Curious about this.
Respectfully,
Chet
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Bullet selection aside, the people that shone at Nationals this year were not particularly a surprise, they were the guys that have been on fire all this year, notably (Gold, Silver, and Bronze: James Crofts, Jeff Rorer, and Dan Pohlabel).</div></div>
Who were shooting... Berger 200 Hybrids, all three, if I'm not mistaken.
That said... the high scores for the first match of the last day were a 199-8X (Ricky Hunt) and a 198-15X (Trudie Fay)... both shooting 155gn bullets, albeit in almost freakishly light conditions for that first relay. In terms of raw accuracy, the 155s are still more than capable of pulling their own weight. In matches with a short or mid-range component (like SOA with 75% of the shots @ 300, 500 & 600yds) the 155s can still carry the day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Bullet selection aside, the people that shone at Nationals this year were not particularly a surprise, they were the guys that have been on fire all this year, notably (Gold, Silver, and Bronze: James Crofts, Jeff Rorer, and Dan Pohlabel).</div></div>
Who were shooting... Berger 200 Hybrids, all three, if I'm not mistaken.
That said... the high scores for the first match of the last day were a 199-8X (Ricky Hunt) and a 198-15X (Trudie Fay)... both shooting 155gn bullets, albeit in almost freakishly light conditions for that first relay. In terms of raw accuracy, the 155s are still more than capable of pulling their own weight. In matches with a short or mid-range component (like SOA with 75% of the shots @ 300, 500 & 600yds) the 155s can still carry the day.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jetmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damm 230's out of a .308 win with sufficient velocity to 1k has to lead to some hot loads and short case life (doesn't it?) even with a great bc bullet.
</div></div>
In a word... yes.
I was pushing the Berger 230 Hybrids out there at 2610. They were working well enough to medal in one of the long-range matches, but in general, I spent too much time focusing on position and technique. As aforementioned, the conditions were very uncharacteristic for Raton, and with the limited load development time that I had with the 230's (around 3 weeks), I was not able to get the pure accuracy that I needed/wanted out of them. In perfect conditions developing loads, I was getting 1 1/8" to 1 1/4" 300 yard groups with the 230's. In competition, this translated to holding 10 ring elevation at 1000 yards. This is a tough way to try to excel, especially in light conditions.
With some more development time, with some different powder choices, I think I can get the pressures down, and still keep the velocities up. All in all, there is considerable promise for this bullet, but with the 185's and 200's excelling the way they are, there are probably easier ways to shoot 1000 yards!
Darrell
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jetmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damm 230's out of a .308 win with sufficient velocity to 1k has to lead to some hot loads and short case life (doesn't it?) even with a great bc bullet.
</div></div>
In a word... yes.
I was pushing the Berger 230 Hybrids out there at 2610. They were working well enough to medal in one of the long-range matches, but in general, I spent too much time focusing on position and technique. As aforementioned, the conditions were very uncharacteristic for Raton, and with the limited load development time that I had with the 230's (around 3 weeks), I was not able to get the pure accuracy that I needed/wanted out of them. In perfect conditions developing loads, I was getting 1 1/8" to 1 1/4" 300 yard groups with the 230's. In competition, this translated to holding 10 ring elevation at 1000 yards. This is a tough way to try to excel, especially in light conditions.
With some more development time, with some different powder choices, I think I can get the pressures down, and still keep the velocities up. All in all, there is considerable promise for this bullet, but with the 185's and 200's excelling the way they are, there are probably easier ways to shoot 1000 yards!
Darrell
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Darrell, thanks for the postings, I will presume the 185 grain Bergers are the BTLR or has everyone made the switch to the Hybrid. The hybrids have seem to have shone through for Berger, it was a remarkable idea.But does it seem that since the Nationals are a 1000 yard match, that the uber-heavies are to be the bullet of choice for the future.
Darrell, thanks for the postings, I will presume the 185 grain Bergers are the BTLR or has everyone made the switch to the Hybrid. The hybrids have seem to have shone through for Berger, it was a remarkable idea.But does it seem that since the Nationals are a 1000 yard match, that the uber-heavies are to be the bullet of choice for the future.
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mjh, I shoot the 185 LRBT, I know a lot of other guys who shoot the same bullet. As to the Hybrid, I don't know of anyone running them. Not to say that they are not out there.
Another non scientific indicator, 6 weeks ago there was not a 185LRBT anywhere to be purchased w/o some serious search-fu skill.
mjh, I shoot the 185 LRBT, I know a lot of other guys who shoot the same bullet. As to the Hybrid, I don't know of anyone running them. Not to say that they are not out there.
Another non scientific indicator, 6 weeks ago there was not a 185LRBT anywhere to be purchased w/o some serious search-fu skill.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That said... the high scores for the first match of the last day were a 199-8X (Ricky Hunt) and a 198-15X (Trudie Fay)... both shooting 155gn bullets, albeit in almost freakishly light conditions for that first relay. In terms of raw accuracy, the 155s are still more than capable of pulling their own weight. In matches with a short or mid-range component (like SOA with 75% of the shots @ 300, 500 & 600yds) the 155s can still carry the day.</div></div>
So Monte: What were you running? Are you going to chamber anything for 155s?
1911fan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That said... the high scores for the first match of the last day were a 199-8X (Ricky Hunt) and a 198-15X (Trudie Fay)... both shooting 155gn bullets, albeit in almost freakishly light conditions for that first relay. In terms of raw accuracy, the 155s are still more than capable of pulling their own weight. In matches with a short or mid-range component (like SOA with 75% of the shots @ 300, 500 & 600yds) the 155s can still carry the day.</div></div>
So Monte: What were you running? Are you going to chamber anything for 155s?
1911fan
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As much as it pains me... probably not, outside of maybe a barrel for Palma/Fullbore Prone. I have a perfectly good .223 for mid-range F/TR...
As much as it pains me... probably not, outside of maybe a barrel for Palma/Fullbore Prone. I have a perfectly good .223 for mid-range F/TR...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Darrell, thanks for the postings, I will presume the 185 grain Bergers are the BTLR or has everyone made the switch to the Hybrid. The hybrids have seem to have shone through for Berger, it was a remarkable idea.But does it seem that since the Nationals are a 1000 yard match, that the uber-heavies are to be the bullet of choice for the future. </div></div>
You would be correct. Virtually all of the US Team guys/gals whose 185 loads I chronographed were running the 185 LRBT/Juggernaut. The BC is very close to the 185 Hybrid, (.560 vs. .569).
And yes, I watched the Ukrainian Team guys that were here testing/scouting for next year. They were using only 210 and 215 grain bullets. The trend is pretty clear; although the 155.5's can still shine in limited circumstances, especially with an exceptional driver, the bullet weight used in F-T/R is only going to go up.
The rifle I used to push the 230's was very much a 'one trick pony'... I had the freebore pushed so far out that if I tried to run 155's in the rifle, they would have been able to do cartwheels down the bore before they ever touched the lands.
Darrell
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Darrell, thanks for the postings, I will presume the 185 grain Bergers are the BTLR or has everyone made the switch to the Hybrid. The hybrids have seem to have shone through for Berger, it was a remarkable idea.But does it seem that since the Nationals are a 1000 yard match, that the uber-heavies are to be the bullet of choice for the future. </div></div>
You would be correct. Virtually all of the US Team guys/gals whose 185 loads I chronographed were running the 185 LRBT/Juggernaut. The BC is very close to the 185 Hybrid, (.560 vs. .569).
And yes, I watched the Ukrainian Team guys that were here testing/scouting for next year. They were using only 210 and 215 grain bullets. The trend is pretty clear; although the 155.5's can still shine in limited circumstances, especially with an exceptional driver, the bullet weight used in F-T/R is only going to go up.
The rifle I used to push the 230's was very much a 'one trick pony'... I had the freebore pushed so far out that if I tried to run 155's in the rifle, they would have been able to do cartwheels down the bore before they ever touched the lands.
Darrell
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Darrell, I read some interesting articles by German Salazar were he showed were the actual bullet would be in the case with regards to a relevant chamber. My present rifle although I haven't much chance to shoot it this year, has only a standard 95 Palma match and in all honestly it hasn't showed me any great signs of being super accurate, so I figured I would pull the trigger now and buy another, I guess its going to be one long 1/10 twist.
Darrell, I read some interesting articles by German Salazar were he showed were the actual bullet would be in the case with regards to a relevant chamber. My present rifle although I haven't much chance to shoot it this year, has only a standard 95 Palma match and in all honestly it hasn't showed me any great signs of being super accurate, so I figured I would pull the trigger now and buy another, I guess its going to be one long 1/10 twist.
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I ran the 200 hybrids at 2704 (my chrono) or ~2730 (Darrell's chrono in Raton). I had almost no load development for that load. I did a quick look at a range of powder charges vs velocity/accuracy months ago and I shot exactly 10 rounds (5 each with two lots of powder) before Nationals. I guess I got lucky! Jim ran the 200's. I can't remember what Dan said he was running, but it probably was the 200's. Berger hit a home run with these bullets. They are more tricky to load for than the 185BT and they do require the shooter to have more perfect form and discipline.
I ran the 200 hybrids at 2704 (my chrono) or ~2730 (Darrell's chrono in Raton). I had almost no load development for that load. I did a quick look at a range of powder charges vs velocity/accuracy months ago and I shot exactly 10 rounds (5 each with two lots of powder) before Nationals. I guess I got lucky! Jim ran the 200's. I can't remember what Dan said he was running, but it probably was the 200's. Berger hit a home run with these bullets. They are more tricky to load for than the 185BT and they do require the shooter to have more perfect form and discipline.
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I am curious as to what are the chamber/throat specs necessary to effectively push the 200s? Is it possible to have a setup that would work with both the 185s and 200s, or do you pretty much have to go with one or the other?
I am curious as to what are the chamber/throat specs necessary to effectively push the 200s? Is it possible to have a setup that would work with both the 185s and 200s, or do you pretty much have to go with one or the other?
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gstaylorg, I would be also interested what everyone is using for a reamer for these. I think it would be possible to spec a reamer for the 185/200 hybrids, but I think the 215 and 230 are in a league of their own.
gstaylorg, I would be also interested what everyone is using for a reamer for these. I think it would be possible to spec a reamer for the 185/200 hybrids, but I think the 215 and 230 are in a league of their own.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I ran the 200 hybrids at 2704 (my chrono) or ~2730 (Darrell's chrono in Raton). I had almost no load development for that load. I did a quick look at a range of powder charges vs velocity/accuracy months ago and I shot exactly 10 rounds (5 each with two lots of powder) before Nationals. I guess I got lucky! Jim ran the 200's. I can't remember what Dan said he was running, but it probably was the 200's. Berger hit a home run with these bullets. They are more tricky to load for than the 185BT and they do require the shooter to have more perfect form and discipline. </div></div>
I have to ask what length barrel you were using to get that velocity? I am considering building a ftr rig but I am not a long barrel fan.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I ran the 200 hybrids at 2704 (my chrono) or ~2730 (Darrell's chrono in Raton). I had almost no load development for that load. I did a quick look at a range of powder charges vs velocity/accuracy months ago and I shot exactly 10 rounds (5 each with two lots of powder) before Nationals. I guess I got lucky! Jim ran the 200's. I can't remember what Dan said he was running, but it probably was the 200's. Berger hit a home run with these bullets. They are more tricky to load for than the 185BT and they do require the shooter to have more perfect form and discipline. </div></div>
I have to ask what length barrel you were using to get that velocity? I am considering building a ftr rig but I am not a long barrel fan.
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I actually toned it down a bit to that velocity. Barrel is an Obermeyer to my internal specifications at 33 15/16" (total length from threads to crown).
I actually toned it down a bit to that velocity. Barrel is an Obermeyer to my internal specifications at 33 15/16" (total length from threads to crown).
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Sir, are we talking about an increase in the groove diameter of the barrel because of the longer bearing surface on the Berger hybrid bullets.
Sir, are we talking about an increase in the groove diameter of the barrel because of the longer bearing surface on the Berger hybrid bullets.
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I can't give away all of my secrets! However, Clint Cooper (Duplin Rifles) orders them just the way I like from Boots and he can get one for you too.
I can't give away all of my secrets! However, Clint Cooper (Duplin Rifles) orders them just the way I like from Boots and he can get one for you too.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually toned it down a bit to that velocity. Barrel is an Obermeyer to my internal specifications at 33 15/16" (total length from threads to crown).</div></div>
What barrel contour is your barrel at that length? Just wondering as I figured it was a palma contour to make weight.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually toned it down a bit to that velocity. Barrel is an Obermeyer to my internal specifications at 33 15/16" (total length from threads to crown).</div></div>
What barrel contour is your barrel at that length? Just wondering as I figured it was a palma contour to make weight.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might I ask what powder you all were using to get those velocities with those heavier bullets? Reloader 17? </div></div>
I tried a raft-load of different powders, getting something that would work with the 230's. I did try RL-17, but the temperature sensitivity pretty much makes it a no-go for competition. I ended up settling on N-550, it gave excellent velocities (2610), but the pressures were high, and it too is temperature sensitive.
I'm continuing the development with the 230's, but I am looking for more stable powders, even if it drops my velocity a tad.
Hope this helps,
Darrell
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might I ask what powder you all were using to get those velocities with those heavier bullets? Reloader 17? </div></div>
I tried a raft-load of different powders, getting something that would work with the 230's. I did try RL-17, but the temperature sensitivity pretty much makes it a no-go for competition. I ended up settling on N-550, it gave excellent velocities (2610), but the pressures were high, and it too is temperature sensitive.
I'm continuing the development with the 230's, but I am looking for more stable powders, even if it drops my velocity a tad.
Hope this helps,
Darrell
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I guess it is close to a heavy Palma. I also use an aluminum Kelbly action, an aluminum and hollowed out post, and my bipod weighs 1 pound 1 ounce (Duplin Rifles bipod).
I guess it is close to a heavy Palma. I also use an aluminum Kelbly action, an aluminum and hollowed out post, and my bipod weighs 1 pound 1 ounce (Duplin Rifles bipod).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess it is close to a heavy Palma. I also use an aluminum Kelbly action, an aluminum and hollowed out post, and my bipod weighs 1 pound 1 ounce (Duplin Rifles bipod).</div></div>
Cool deal, how much more velocity do you think you are getting after going longer than 30 inches of barrel per inch? I'm running a 28 inch barrel at the moment but was thinking of going 30 or longer in the future.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess it is close to a heavy Palma. I also use an aluminum Kelbly action, an aluminum and hollowed out post, and my bipod weighs 1 pound 1 ounce (Duplin Rifles bipod).</div></div>
Cool deal, how much more velocity do you think you are getting after going longer than 30 inches of barrel per inch? I'm running a 28 inch barrel at the moment but was thinking of going 30 or longer in the future.
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Maybe 25 fps between my 32.25 and the 34 (comparing 185BT). I'm actually thinking of cutting this one back to 32.25. It is just not needed and would make the barrel stiffer. My shortest barrel is 31".
Maybe 25 fps between my 32.25 and the 34 (comparing 185BT). I'm actually thinking of cutting this one back to 32.25. It is just not needed and would make the barrel stiffer. My shortest barrel is 31".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe 25 fps between my 32.25 and the 34 (comparing 185BT). I'm actually thinking of cutting this one back to 32.25. It is just not needed and would make the barrel stiffer. My shortest barrel is 31".</div></div>
Thanks, I was thinking about the stiffness of a barrel that long myself along with the weight factor. I will probably go 30 or 31 with a heavy palma contour.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usftr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe 25 fps between my 32.25 and the 34 (comparing 185BT). I'm actually thinking of cutting this one back to 32.25. It is just not needed and would make the barrel stiffer. My shortest barrel is 31".</div></div>
Thanks, I was thinking about the stiffness of a barrel that long myself along with the weight factor. I will probably go 30 or 31 with a heavy palma contour.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might I ask what powder you all were using to get those velocities with those heavier bullets? Reloader 17? </div></div>
I tried a raft-load of different powders, getting something that would work with the 230's. I did try RL-17, but the temperature sensitivity pretty much makes it a no-go for competition. I ended up settling on N-550, it gave excellent velocities (2610), but the pressures were high, and it too is temperature sensitive.
I'm continuing the development with the 230's, but I am looking for more stable powders, even if it drops my velocity a tad.
Hope this helps,
Darrell </div></div>
It did help. Thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30SMK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might I ask what powder you all were using to get those velocities with those heavier bullets? Reloader 17? </div></div>
I tried a raft-load of different powders, getting something that would work with the 230's. I did try RL-17, but the temperature sensitivity pretty much makes it a no-go for competition. I ended up settling on N-550, it gave excellent velocities (2610), but the pressures were high, and it too is temperature sensitive.
I'm continuing the development with the 230's, but I am looking for more stable powders, even if it drops my velocity a tad.
Hope this helps,
Darrell </div></div>
It did help. Thanks
