LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

[Pladesmeden]

Hallo.
Are the no seller that support snipershide, that can help me getting a surefire muzzle brake to Denmark?

Best Regards Jonas

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

no, we're not allowed to export firearms parts and accessories from the US... have a nice day

 

[Pladesmeden]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

I have got this, when i wrote to [email protected]:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Pedersen:



I assume you are writing to us from Denmark. If you are not a US citizen or a permanent resident of the United States, then you cannot apply yourself for an export permit, or “license”, for this product. Instead, you must buy it from someone in the US who is registered with us, and who can apply for the necessary export license to export it to you. I’m guessing that the manufacturer of the product is registered with us. Have you talked to them about buying it from them? If they are registered with us, they could apply for the necessary export license, and then ship it to you in Denmark.


John Hall
PM Response Team


Note: Information in this message generally discusses controls and information contained in the Arms Export Control Act and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), both of which are authoritative on this matter. The Response Team fields basic process and status questions, and assists exporters in identifying how to get answers to more complex questions handled by the Directorate of Defense Trade Control’s licensing and compliance offices. The Response Team’s services are not a substitute or replacement for the advisory opinion, general correspondence, and commodity jurisdiction processes delineated in the ITAR, which should be used to obtain authoritative guidance on export control issues, and do not in any way relieve exporters from their responsibilities to comply fully with the law and regulations.</div></div>

 

[ORD]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

Before you persist in asking someone in the States to violate the law (which is what you are doing without going though the steps to obtain the proper export permits, etc.), why don't you do yourself a favor and contact Surefire's International service department and see if you can LEGALLY obtain the brake you want/need from them as they LEGALLY make sales and provide their services worldwide:

For international inquiries about sales, warranty repairs, or technical support:

Email: [email protected]

Phone: 714-545-9444

Toll-free: 00-800-7843-7843

Fax: 714-545-9537

 

[Pladesmeden]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before you persist in asking someone in the States to violate the law (which is what you are doing without going though the steps to obtain the proper export permits, etc.), why don't you do yourself a favor and contact Surefire's International service department and see if you can LEGALLY obtain the brake you want/need from them as they LEGALLY make sales and provide their services worldwide:

For international inquiries about sales, warranty repairs, or technical support:

Email: [email protected]

Phone: 714-545-9444

Toll-free: 00-800-7843-7843

Fax: 714-545-9537 </div></div>

Have tryed it Dear Jonas,


Thank you so much for your email and your interest in our products. All of our Suppressors and Muzzle Brakes are an US controlled item that requires an Export License that is granted by the United States State Department. Unfortunately, Export Licenses cannot be obtained for an Individual. Export License items can only be obtained by a Government Facility, Police Force, or Military. If you are with a Government Facility, Police Force, or the Military please let us know.



Best regards,



SureFire LLC

International Department

Email: [email protected]

Tel: 714-545-9444 Fax: 714-545-9537



Illumination tools and accessories designed to meet the demanding needs of high-risk professionals. Tested and relied upon in the world's harshest conditions.

 

[Pladesmeden]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before you persist in asking someone in the States to violate the law (which is what you are doing without going though the steps to obtain the proper export permits, etc.), why don't you do yourself a favor and contact Surefire's International service department and see if you can LEGALLY obtain the brake you want/need from them as they LEGALLY make sales and provide their services worldwide:

For international inquiries about sales, warranty repairs, or technical support:

Email: [email protected]

Phone: 714-545-9444

Toll-free: 00-800-7843-7843

Fax: 714-545-9537 </div></div>

and im not asking any1 to violate the law,
the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls center said i could get an export license for the item, if i just had a seller in US that is registered at DDTC.

 

[ORD]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pladesmeden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and im not asking any1 to violate the law,
the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls center said i could get an export license for the item, if i just had a seller in US that is registered at DDTC. </div></div>

Then your question should be:

Are there any Hide vendors who are Surefire authorized dealers registered with DDTS who would be willing to go through the export permitting process to send me a muzzle brake in Denmark?

That said, from the best I can recall in past commercial dealings with SF, I believe that part of the agreements entered into between SF and its authorized dealers is that the dealers agree they will NOT export from the US. This is done for many reasons, but primarily to prevent US dealers who can obtain products at significantly lower prices from undercutting foreign dealers. So even if you find a dealer willing to abide by the law, go through the permitting process, etc., etc...they are likely breaching their agreement with Surefire which may very well jeopardize their bottom line and possibly cause them to have their SF dealer agreement voided, making going through all that headache even less attractive a prospect. I may be outdated on that provision of the agreement, but as of just a few years ago...that was the case.

Perhaps you might consider an alternative to the SF that doesn't require all the hoop-jumping.

In any event...best of luck!

 

[Triad]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

It involves more than you may understand. You may find a licensed exporter that can send it to you, but expect to an additional charge that is $250-300 in addition to the cost of the part, plus shipping, and some waiting on paperwork.....

 

[Arbiter]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

It may be easier to find a dealer somewhere else in Europe who has them for sale (having legally exported them en mass from the US to whatever country for resale), and simply order from them.

We're uniquely fucked up over here, thanks to ITAR...

 

[Emouse]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

Indeed ITAR is an ass. Its been covered many times on the forum before. That said the vast majority of US manufacturers and dealers do themselves no favours as they simply can't be bothered to register to export or do what is actually a pretty simple 1 page submission for export.Wwhen they bitch about lack of business I have no sympathy for them,....

 

[Graham]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...the vast majority of US manufacturers and dealers do themselves no favours as they simply can't be bothered to register to export or do what is actually a pretty simple 1 page submission for export.Wwhen they bitch about lack of business I have no sympathy for them,.... </div></div>I have heard no one here bitching about a lack of business from Europe. The European market is very, very small by comparison.

 

[Pladesmeden]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arbiter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It may be easier to find a dealer somewhere else in Europe who has them for sale (having legally exported them en mass from the US to whatever country for resale), and simply order from them.

We're uniquely fucked up over here, thanks to ITAR... </div></div>

I cant find any dealer in europe.
If i could find it in europe i wouldn't make this tread.

It seems like i have to find another brake for my build.

Any1 know, if some1 have made a brake in style whit surefire?

 

[2/1_Kiwi]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

http://www.borderview.com/start-an-export/

^ Try these guys before bailing on the idea.

 

[Enough Said]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

Sako makes about the most functional brake around. I have no idea why you would want a U.S.-made brake and the hassle that goes with it when you've got viable and competitive options.

But good on you for wanting Made in the U.S.A. !!!! LOL

I want a French Maid, but I'll have to settle for a Mexican one instead. ;-]]

 

[Cardinal]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

Pladesmeden, you can just about forget getting a SF brake.
You are looking at a $250 fee to the US State dept, and a further $150+ in fees for the exporter. So you end up with approx $500 for export and shipping for a 100-150 dollar part.....

And unless you need it for a Surefire suppressor (which you can't get) why pay that much for a brake???

Especially, as others have said, since there are a lot of other effective brakes available here.


That said, Capsicum imports Surefire brakes and suppressors but only sells those to LE/Mil

 

[Eric B.]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

Dansk buyer,

Check in Germany to see if you can legally purchase a suppressor there. Germans use them (legally) for hunting.

 

[Arbiter]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed ITAR is an ass. Its been covered many times on the forum before. That said the vast majority of US manufacturers and dealers do themselves no favours as they simply can't be bothered to register to export or do what is actually a pretty simple 1 page submission for export.Wwhen they bitch about lack of business I have no sympathy for them,....</div></div>

Registration and dealing with ITAR, Commerce, DDTC, etc is still a huge pain in the ass. When you consider the costs of an export permit, and the time that's going to be consumed in researching (is it Defense or Commerce? who's the end user? do they have import licenses approved already?), submitting, arranging payment, and handling shipping, it's highly unlikely that a buyer will be willing to pay the necessary surcharges for most products. And that's assuming that everything goes perfectly: no issues with approval from DDTC, no product returns, no problems with shipping, etc.

Realistically accounting for the costs involved, that $150 muzzle brake would probably wind up running close to $750 by the time everything is all said and done. Which is not to say that it wouldn't be profitable to export a few hundred of them at a time, but that's not the situation at hand when you're talking about a single buyer in Europe wanting a single product for his rifle.

 

[aur0ra145]

Re: LF seller to send a Surefire brake to Denmark

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arbiter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed ITAR is an ass. Its been covered many times on the forum before. That said the vast majority of US manufacturers and dealers do themselves no favours as they simply can't be bothered to register to export or do what is actually a pretty simple 1 page submission for export.Wwhen they bitch about lack of business I have no sympathy for them,....</div></div>

Registration and dealing with ITAR, Commerce, DDTC, etc is still a huge pain in the ass. When you consider the costs of an export permit, and the time that's going to be consumed in researching (is it Defense or Commerce? who's the end user? do they have import licenses approved already?), submitting, arranging payment, and handling shipping, it's highly unlikely that a buyer will be willing to pay the necessary surcharges for most products. And that's assuming that everything goes perfectly: no issues with approval from DDTC, no product returns, no problems with shipping, etc.

Realistically accounting for the costs involved, that $150 muzzle brake would probably wind up running close to $750 by the time everything is all said and done. Which is not to say that it wouldn't be profitable to export a few hundred of them at a time, but that's not the situation at hand when you're talking about a single buyer in Europe wanting a single product for his rifle. </div></div>

True story.

I just paid $650~ today to get an avionics piece into the country (only customs fees, shipping had already been paid for.)

Earlier in the week I paid $470~ to get a different avionics piece into the country. (again, freight was already paid.)

If you do decide to go through with this, you will pay AT LEAST $400 in customs fees.

Both of these avionic units didn't require a license for export/import.

ITAR makes life hell. When we import ITAR avionics from the UK life gets hard. Heck, I even have to sign affidavits that say we "Agree not to sell these avionics parts to military aircraft that will drop nukes on people we don't like."

In short, you could probably have a machinist in Denmark (law allowing) make you a kickass custom muzzle brake for 1/4 the cost of getting a SureFire into Denmark.