F T/R Competition F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

[bubbapug1]

<span style="font-weight: bold"> </span> <span style="font-size: 14pt">LAST CHANCE FOR ACCESS TO PENDLETON'S WORLD CLASS RANGES THIS YEAR!!</span>

This is the last chance to shoot at Pendleton this year unless your a marine taking your yearly qualification!! Santa Margarita Gun club is hosting 4 matches in the last two weeks of September. This is not the time to be bashful, or full of self doubt!! Its fun, its kind of easy (don't worry, we will get you on paper) and its a great way to beat the crowds at the other ranges...plus, look at that range!!! Its AWESOME!!!

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">September 22, Saturday, is a NRA XTC match, 1000 points</span>.</span>

The course of fire is as follows:

200 yard off hand - 2 sighters, 20 shots for record

200 yard sitting rapid - 2 sighters, 20 shots for record

300 yard prone rapid - 2 sighters, 20 shots for record

600 yard prone slow fire - 2 sighters, 20 shots for record

600 yard prone slow fire - 2 sighters, 20 shots for record (yes, two ball busting legs at 600, the second one probably in a nice stiff wind!!!)

<span style="font-size: 14pt">September 23 is a EIC match consisting of a pistol match, a rifle match similar, but not exactly like the one above, and an OLD WAR HORSE meet, with emphasis on M1 Garands!!</span>
Link to flyer....

http://www.smgunclub.org/files/2012-Sep-Regional.pdf

<span style="font-weight: bold"> </span> <span style="font-size: 14pt">Link to pre - registration YOU MUST PRE-REGISTER TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE BASE!</span>http://prereg.smgunclub.org/

<span style="font-weight: bold"> </span> <span style="font-size: 17pt">September 29 is a Long range match</span>, with unlimited sighters and 20 rounds for record, but here is the catch, you only have 22 minutes to pull it off at each distance! The distances are 800, 900, and 1000 yards

<span style="font-weight: bold"> </span> <span style="font-size: 17pt">September 30 is the 1000 yard match</span>...60 shots at 1000 yards....3 legs of 20.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

Both of the Sept 29/30th are Long Range matches, not midrange, which is 600 yd or less. For anyone interested in the Saturday 800/900/1000 match, just remember to bring some means for transporting your gear to the next shooting line as it changes every match. These are the the last matches of the year, come on out and play!

 

[bubbapug1]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

I stand corrected. 800 only looks mid range after looking at 1000 yards!!

A range buggy of some sort is required, even a red rider wagon will work or a big back pack.

 

[rideHPD]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

^or brute force and stubbornness

 

[diego-ted]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

What time to be there? What time to start firing?

Ted

 

[diego-ted]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

Greg (gstaylorg)Congrants on the great shooting!! I was bummed because my scorekeeper did not count Xs only marked them as 10s and the other shooter (puller was using the old system and screwed it all up!! LOL, I will be ready next year.

Diego

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

Thanks Ted. I'm sorry to hear about your X-situation, that's unfortunate. The more I shoot in the SMGC matches, the more obvious it becomes that you have to know how to manage the wind conditions there (or anywhere else). Better loads, equipment, etc., may help your scores by small increments, but knowing how to effectively read the wind conditions and adjust your shooting accordingly will make a far greater difference. I've got a really, really long way to go in that regard. The good news is that the weather here allows us to work on that the next few months until matches start up again. I guess I better be practicing all winter LOL.

 

[diego-ted]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

Greg, tell me more about Pala, so you can setup paper to 600 yards? It's a ways out but, we gotta do what we gotta due. I am near Dulzura so 300 yards is the furthest I can shoot paper and the wind is not so much as an issue.

Can one assume take the effect at 300 yards and extrapolate it out to 1k or is the drop in velocity just too different at each distance? What is the name of the author you and Alex were talking about? I have never been schooled in this discipline, I just went out and shot. There is a lot more science to this crap then I ever imagined!!

Diego

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-CLASS & 1000 YD MATCH @ CAMP PENDLETON IN SEPT

The range is run by the North County Shootist Association (NCSA) is located in Pala (http://www.ncsapala.com/). It's a very nice facility that goes out to ~890 yds. Lots of steel targets at various ranges, or you can put up your own paper targets as I often do. For paper, I use the Shoot-N-C 18" circles. I black out all the numbers and lines with a Sharpie, leaving only the red aiming dot, which makes it easier to spot hits. Unless the mirage is extremely strong, it's pretty easy to spot your impacts out to 600 yd. Under optimal conditions, you could probably go a little farther, depending on mirage. It's a good place to practice because it's usually fairly windy there after about 10:00am, although not normally as strong as Wilcox Range. So you can train there in both no-wind or windy conditions depending on the time of day and what you're trying to accomplish. The only limitation is the hours for "recreational" shooting, which are from 1-3 pm two or three weekend days a month, and most Mondays and Fridays from 8am-2pm.

I believe Alex and I were referring to the book(s) by Bryan Litz, who is the Chief Ballistician at Berger Bullets. He has an extremely informative book called "Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting" (http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/Book.htm). It's an extremely good investment and I'd strongly urge you to think about buying a copy. He also has a second book about to be released called, "Accuracy and Precision for Long Range Shooting". I pre-ordered a copy and expect it will be as good as his first book.

As far as extrapolating results from 300 yd out, of course you can do that using a number of ballistic calculators available free online. There are also a variety of ballistic apps for phones, etc. I personally prefer JBM Ballistics (http://www.jbmballistics.com/index.shtml). As long as you know an accurate muzzle velocity for your load, the temperature, elevation, humidity, etc., these calculators do a very good job of estimating drop and wind deflection at increasing distance.

However, knowing the drop and predicted wind deflection is only part of the story as any and all effects on the trajectory of a projectile are magnified at longer ranges, and it's usually not linear in that the effects increase faster than the distance increases. So the effect of wind, internal ballistics, shooter error, etc., become much greater the farther out you go. For this reason, even though the F-Class scoring rings remain constant as distance increases, it is much more challenging to keep your shots in the 10-ring at 1000 yd than it is at 600 yd, other conditions being equal.

So yes, you can certainly extrapolate results from 300 yd to greater distances, but it will never be the same as shooting at 600 yd or 1000 yd, because every little force that affects the bullet is amplified faster (more) than the distance increase. As an example, I've cleaned the 600 yd target at Wilcox under minimal wind conditions. However, I've never even come close to doing that under comparable conditions at Range 117. The wind last Saturday was probably as difficult as I've ever shot in and it was a bloodbath as far as my scores were concerned. Really good long range shooters know how to compensate for those kind of effects much better than I do, and it is reflected in their scores. Because of my background, I comprehend the math and physics of ballistics reasonably well. But there is a big difference between theory and application, so I believe the farther you can shoot in practice, the closer you will be to how you will actually be shooting in an F-Class competition, which is of huge benefit. The limiting factor for that at Pala of course, is how far out can you see holes in the target? So, I usually set up paper out to 600 yd for practice rounds, and use the steel targets past that, which are easier to see hits at longer ranges. Anyhow, take a look at the Pala website and I hope that helps!