Rifle Scopes question on Zeiss quality

[continentaldrifter]

I currently have a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50 on my Rem 300wm. my reason for post is after shooting in prone at 300yds, i wonder with this powerful of a scope, i would think the 12" target would be much clearer and larger in the glass on full power. I can just imagine what the target would look like at 600yds +. I saw a thread on here that had "pics through your scope" and at what range. I was amazed at the difference in fov between theirs at 1000yds and mine at 300. What is the key? Better glass? Shoot from a bench to rid mirage?

 

[deadly0311]

Re: question on Zeiss quality

what were the atmospheric conditions like that day? Chances are you were getting some mirage or fighting environmental conditions, not the scope.

 

[slowkota]

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First bad thing I've read about Zeiss.

I just ordered a 4.5-14x50 Conquest w/ the Rapid Z 800 reticle an hour ago!

Now ya got me worried... Not really lol

 

[continentaldrifter]

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naw..not to worry, i was concerned when i look through the pics of others scopes only to see the target the same size at 1000yds versus mine at 300. started to make me wonder why i was having such a hard time focusing on mine.conditions that day were87degrees, dry desert adobe dirt , barrel 8" off ground in prone position. i thought it may be mirage but wanted to compare to others that were able to actually see the target.

 

[snax90]

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Heat off the barrel started to mess with mine yesterday. Was sitting and shooting clays at about 300yds hit the first 8 first shot then the whole picture started getting wavey. I should mention it was the 6.5-20 as well at about 3mm above the bore.

 

[continentaldrifter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what were the atmospheric conditions like that day? Chances are you were getting some mirage or fighting environmental conditions, not the scope. </div></div>

87 degrees, full sun

 

[Alpine 338]

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I was seeing mirage off my barrel the other day at 100-meters even before I fired my first round. Ambient temp was only 73-deg, but the sun at 8200-ft elevation was powerfull enough to cause mirage.

So, your Zeiss is probably fine.

A good test of a scope is to look at the moon (at a high angle) on a clear night, that will show you how good your glass is (or not).

 

[BigJimFish]

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Zeiss Conquests are a mid range product. They do not exhibit the clarity of S&B PR USO or even the various Light Optics made stuff that starts at around $1,200 and goes to around $2,000. This should not be surprising as Conquests go for $1k even. They are a pretty good value that this price and get some points in my book for light weight.

All that being said, if you feel that your image is not clear and you are using just this optic than probably something else is off. Perhaps you diopter is wrong or the mirage is really getting you. As you mentioned, that can be a big problem. The Zeiss is good enough that it should appear quite clear to you unless you have one of those higher end optics sitting next to it showing you just what clear can be.

 

[slowkota]

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I finally got my rifle today, and got my new Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 mounted up... I gotta say I'm less than impressed with the glass and focusing quality. Which sucks because the place I got it from doesn't accept returns or exchanges for opened items (BULLSHIT!)

So I'll be trading it in through SWFA, while taking about a $200 hit

 

[mfyas420]

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I have the Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50 and the clarity is awesome on it. It is no Nightforce, but for $750 great value.

I haven't compared targets and fov on it with other optics at same time but never had clarity issues at all out to 300 yards. I have only had it a few weeks now so haven't used it further though.

 

[tylerw02]

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I've compared Zeiss Conquest next to NF and glass wise, it favored well.

 

[dhbwa]

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I had a 6.5-20 for awhile but wasn't knocked over by the optics. Preferred Leupold in the same price bracket. The 3-9 Conquest is a jewel though.

 

[slowkota]

Re: question on Zeiss quality

I'll have to take my scope to the range to get a final opinion... As I was just dinkin with the scope out of my window.

 

[slowkota]

Re: question on Zeiss quality

Alright I finally took my new rig to the range... And I take back everything I said a few posts above! lol

Glass quality and image clarity is top notch throughout the whole range of mag (4.5-14).

Only thing that sorta sucked was I bottomed out the elevation with about 2 1/8 inches to go at 100. If I had a 0 moa base it'd be a non issue, but I have a 20 moa base.

But as luck would have it 2 1/8" high at 100 is my dead nutz 200 yard zero for the Rapid Z 800 reticle!

 

[jbell]

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As stated above the Conquest is a mid range product. I had a 3.5-10x40 on a hunting rifle and was very happy with it. I did have a peice of glue or something appear in the scope after a lot of rounds and sent it back to Zeiss. I was VERY impressed with their customer service! I sent it in a cardboard box and bubble wrap they returned it with a new box, papers, cleaning kit ect. The turn around was very fast as well. They are a great scope from an even better company. If you continue to have low quality immage send it back to Zeiss and see what they can do for you.

 

[the once-ler]

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Get a Hensoldt, they are the darling of Zeiss Optronics. If only they had better reticle options..

 

[tylerw02]

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Because Gappa knows so much about using reticles

 

[whitt91]

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i have a conquest 3.5-10x50 and am extremely pleased with the quality. I dont have very much personal experience with top of the line glass like USO and S&B, but compared to a NF a friend of mine had i couldnt tell a difference really.

 

[jbell]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gappa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Hensoldt, they are the darling of Zeiss Optronics. If only they had better reticle options.. </div></div>

True but the same optical quality can be had with the Victory Divari series of scopes for a bit less. I always thought there would be some difference in optics for the price diff but after shooting a few of each and speaking with Nathan Hunt there isnt. Just if you were thinking of upgrading at some point.

 

[deadly0311]

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Difference in the Hensoldt and Diavari is:

Hensoldt has beefier internals, more abrasion resistant coatings on the lenses while the Diavari has brass internals and the Lotu Tec coatings.

 

[tlsmith22]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First bad thing I've read about Zeiss.

I just ordered a 4.5-14x50 Conquest w/ the Rapid Z 800 reticle an hour ago!

Now ya got me worried... Not really lol </div></div>

I have this scope on my 300...I love it

 

[tlsmith22]

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I compared my zeiss to my night force and I feel the Swiss is clearer. I was gonna buy a swaro z3 but after comparing Zeiss to swaro, I liked the Zeis better.

 

[mattr25]

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I have the 4.5x14x44. It's pretty clear as long as the elements are right. It just doesn't have the magnification or elevation I want. But out to 600 yards or so I love it. It's going on my hunting rifle when I get my Vortex.