Rem 700 Woes

[poke5353]

I recently got a barreled action in 223AI and went to the range today. Got there loaded a round and click. No bang. Tried it 3 times. so I packed up and went home to investigate. Got home and pulled the firing pin out and everything looks normal. The primers have dents in them but no bang. So I primed some empty cases with a different primer and it went bang. I was originally using cci 41 primers so I tried cci 400 and the 400's work fine but the 41's will not. I know the 41 is supposed to have a harder cup. My question is has anyone else had this issue with these primers and a bolt action rifle or should I change the spring out or something else? I use these in my ar-15's with no issue.

Thanks in advance

 

[MagnumSecurity]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

I had a similar problem with my 700. I took it to a smith and he said the firing pin was out of spec. I forget how much, but he put it on his lathe and peeled some metal off. I went back to the range and never had a problem again. That was a new Rem 700, CDL in 300 wsm. That wasn't the only problem I had to have that smith take care of for that rifle.

 

[hdbiker1]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

Might want to check your firing pin protrusion.

 

[poke5353]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

I took the firing pin out and cleaned the inside of the bolt and it didn't help. I think I'm just gonna use the standard small rifle primers.

 

[MagnumSecurity]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

poke,

If you had the firing pin out you should have measured it. Then ask a smith or call Remington and ask what it is supposed to be. If yours is in spec then you know you have another issue. If not then it is an easy fix.

Mine would only dent some primers as yours is doing. Now it protrudes further and no more problems. It was a quick and cheap fix. My smith did it while I waited.

 

[JC189]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

First thing my smith does when I bring him a Rem mod 700 is replace the factory firing pin with a lighter pin (titanium) that is in spec, and use a stronger spring. The pin traveles faster, hits harder, and it goes bang every time you pull the trigger no matter what primer you use.

 

[asbestosglove]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

If you are using standard .223 to make "AI" cases then the shoulder is too far back to fill the chamber and therefore too long headspace. AG

 

[poke5353]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

Well I found another 223 bolt and swapped them out with the same result. I've decided the cci 41 primers are the issue. Took it to the range and fired a couple with the cci 400 primers and it functions perfect now. I understand the headspace concern but if it were headspace why would it ignite one primer and not the other. Also how are you suppose to fire form brass if headspace is that much different?

 

[poke5353]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

I called cci today to let them know what was going on and he asked to give me a call back when he got more information. He called me back within 2 hours and let me know that they have seen this issue before and he advised me to seat the primers farther into the primer pocket to allow the firing pin a longer period of time to fall so it would gain more energy. My hats off the cci. Exceptional customer service.

 

[Sharpsman]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JC189</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First thing my smith does when I bring him a Rem mod 700 is replace the factory firing pin with a lighter pin (titanium) that is in spec, and use a stronger spring. The pin traveles faster, hits harder, and it goes bang every time you pull the trigger no matter what primer you use. </div></div>

Yep...and the first blown primer you get...you'll be changing the firing pin Dude!!

 

[crnkin]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asbestosglove</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are using standard .223 to make "AI" cases then the shoulder is too far back to fill the chamber and therefore too long headspace. AG </div></div>

+1

Your bolt face is not touching the brass. You need to jam the bullet in the lands when fireforming to compensate.

Chris

 

[REM700FSTF]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

with my 700 the first shot didnt go off so i tryed the next round and it fired havent had any not fire yet but i pulled the bullet and tryed fireing the primer so i could reload the case and it went off so i dont know what it was but havent had any more happen so ya

 

[dhbwa]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

Back to headspace...
You should feel slight resistance when closing the bolt on a new case. Not always as cases vary but "should". The 400 primers could be masking a potential issue. I also prefer to FF with new cases although a recent 25-06 imp I used once fired 30-06 cases.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crnkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asbestosglove</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are using standard .223 to make "AI" cases then the shoulder is too far back to fill the chamber and therefore too long headspace. AG </div></div>

+1

Your bolt face is not touching the brass. You need to jam the bullet in the lands when fireforming to compensate.

Chris </div></div>


+1 again.
It is common among some to just run the 223AI reamer into the existing chamber to clean it up. This often creates the issue you are seeing with trying to fire form 223 brass into 223AI.

 

[dhbwa]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

I don't know a Riflesmith that will just run the reamer in. I believe most issues derive from factory variances on new brass or sizing setup on used brass it's kinda a crapshoot..but the shoulder or bullet should touch otherwise your gonna start losing brass....

 

[cruizer]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

Try this with one case, seat the bullet long so that as you close your bolt the bullet is holding the base of the case against the bolt.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DHBWA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know a Riflesmith that will just run the reamer in. I believe most issues derive from factory variances on new brass or sizing setup on used brass it's kinda a crapshoot..but the shoulder or bullet should touch otherwise your gonna start losing brass.... </div></div>

Not a real gunsmith, but there are a lot of lathes in basements.
My point was that, IMHO, his problem is not primers.

 

[dhbwa]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

Agreed!

 

[poke5353]

Re: Rem 700 Woes

This barreled action was build by Geoff Corn and I know he does good work. I took it to the range again today with 100rds of cci400 primed cases and 75amax on the lands. All shot perfect and I am already seeing awesome potential from it. Seems to be working fine now. Thanks for all the help