Looking for a 7.62 battle rifle, is the SCAR worth the extra money?
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Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
Ready for a rifle with a lot of polymer and a reciprocating charging handle? The SCAR is light, points easily and has operated without malfunction as many times as my friend and I have shot it ( a few hundred rounds).
There are those who would say fixing what is not broken is a waste of time. The Sig has a number of happy owners some on this very site.
I'm not a SCAR fan because that dam charging handle has bit me a few times and I DON'T hold my rifles with my forward hand on the mag well, the stock feels cheaply made,and you need to modify any non 3rd gen PMAG to fit into it and function properly. It also bears noting someone at FN in their infinite wisdom decided building a rifle from the ground up did not warrant the addition of an ambidextrous bolt release. The only rifle designed to compete directly with the SCAR isn't even being manufactured in the same caliber as originally supposed to be (ACR) so weapon for weapon there is not much to compare it to [as far as modular polymer gas piston milspec rifles are concerned]
Ready for a rifle with a lot of polymer and a reciprocating charging handle? The SCAR is light, points easily and has operated without malfunction as many times as my friend and I have shot it ( a few hundred rounds).
There are those who would say fixing what is not broken is a waste of time. The Sig has a number of happy owners some on this very site.
I'm not a SCAR fan because that dam charging handle has bit me a few times and I DON'T hold my rifles with my forward hand on the mag well, the stock feels cheaply made,and you need to modify any non 3rd gen PMAG to fit into it and function properly. It also bears noting someone at FN in their infinite wisdom decided building a rifle from the ground up did not warrant the addition of an ambidextrous bolt release. The only rifle designed to compete directly with the SCAR isn't even being manufactured in the same caliber as originally supposed to be (ACR) so weapon for weapon there is not much to compare it to [as far as modular polymer gas piston milspec rifles are concerned]
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
l am with StoopidSlow . I really tried to like the Scar's but they felt cheap and that charging handle is a biatch. The sig is a nice rifle i think there is a vendor on here who has one for like 1800 dollars or so. That was a great deal since i talked with a guy this last week who paid 2200 for his in the OKC area . I have seen them go for under 2k on Gunbroker most of the time. Also you should consider other Ar 10 style rifles and mods you can do to make them shave weight. I like the feel of a UBR on my LMT MWS and l am picking up a 2nd barrel to have contoured down a bit. Not sure what your price range is but there are other very nice rifle set ups out there.
l am with StoopidSlow . I really tried to like the Scar's but they felt cheap and that charging handle is a biatch. The sig is a nice rifle i think there is a vendor on here who has one for like 1800 dollars or so. That was a great deal since i talked with a guy this last week who paid 2200 for his in the OKC area . I have seen them go for under 2k on Gunbroker most of the time. Also you should consider other Ar 10 style rifles and mods you can do to make them shave weight. I like the feel of a UBR on my LMT MWS and l am picking up a 2nd barrel to have contoured down a bit. Not sure what your price range is but there are other very nice rifle set ups out there.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
No.
No.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
I've shot a friends' 17, and while light, it did not "do it" for me for the amount paid.
I've owned a LOT of 308 rifles. My next one is probably going to be the Sig.
I've shot a friends' 17, and while light, it did not "do it" for me for the amount paid.
I've owned a LOT of 308 rifles. My next one is probably going to be the Sig.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
SCAR 16,17 Both work well for me
Both run cleanly on whatever I feed them.
Debating upgrading the triggers to Giesele.
Just set my 100 range up and working up some 175 smk varget loads, but the 17 doesn't seem to hold ubber tight groups so far....but its as bit early for me to tell. (working thru scope issues)
If I could get the SSR barrel, (or maybe a high desert dog barrel) then I would imagine things would tighten up some...
SCAR 16,17 Both work well for me
Both run cleanly on whatever I feed them.
Debating upgrading the triggers to Giesele.
Just set my 100 range up and working up some 175 smk varget loads, but the 17 doesn't seem to hold ubber tight groups so far....but its as bit early for me to tell. (working thru scope issues)
If I could get the SSR barrel, (or maybe a high desert dog barrel) then I would imagine things would tighten up some...
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
i had a sig 516 and for the money i think the 716 is a great deal for what you get
i had a sig 516 and for the money i think the 716 is a great deal for what you get
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAPTNAVAIR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for a 7.62 battle rifle, is the SCAR worth the extra money? </div></div>
IMHO, not its not.
My shooting bud picked up a new SIG 716 and its a damn nice rifle.
I like FN stuff but not a SCAR fanboy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAPTNAVAIR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for a 7.62 battle rifle, is the SCAR worth the extra money? </div></div>
IMHO, not its not.
My shooting bud picked up a new SIG 716 and its a damn nice rifle.
I like FN stuff but not a SCAR fanboy.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
I own a SIG 516 and a SCAR 16S. I like the 516 much better than my SCAR and the 516 is more accurate than the SCAR. If I were to get another 308 rifle it would be the SIG 716 hands down over the SCAR 17 based on the 556 products from both companies. Not the mention IMO you get a lot more rifle at a much lower price with the SIG products. That's hard for me to say after the fiasco with the SIG 556. I guess SIG learned their lesson of QC after the flop of the 556, the Edsel of AR's.
I own a SIG 516 and a SCAR 16S. I like the 516 much better than my SCAR and the 516 is more accurate than the SCAR. If I were to get another 308 rifle it would be the SIG 716 hands down over the SCAR 17 based on the 556 products from both companies. Not the mention IMO you get a lot more rifle at a much lower price with the SIG products. That's hard for me to say after the fiasco with the SIG 556. I guess SIG learned their lesson of QC after the flop of the 556, the Edsel of AR's.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAPTNAVAIR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for a 7.62 battle rifle</div></div>
LMT MWS
Or, buy an FN-FAL and don't care about your group sizes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAPTNAVAIR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for a 7.62 battle rifle</div></div>
LMT MWS
Or, buy an FN-FAL and don't care about your group sizes.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
Not 716 but i did 2 day rifle course at sig academy. Ran the 516 shot 700 rds of 193 ball. If 716 IS ANYTHING like the 516 u won't be disappointed. My rifle i borrowd from sig shot great. Even w 4moa red dot sight @100 YDS I GOT 3.5 inch groups. W cheap ammo. No malfuctions very clean accurate rifle.
According to the instructor their piston system was designed by the same guy that did the hk piston rifle after he jumped ship from h%k
Not 716 but i did 2 day rifle course at sig academy. Ran the 516 shot 700 rds of 193 ball. If 716 IS ANYTHING like the 516 u won't be disappointed. My rifle i borrowd from sig shot great. Even w 4moa red dot sight @100 YDS I GOT 3.5 inch groups. W cheap ammo. No malfuctions very clean accurate rifle.
According to the instructor their piston system was designed by the same guy that did the hk piston rifle after he jumped ship from h%k
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
I have shot them back to back and the SIG kicks like a pissed off mule compared to the scar.. and feels heavy as hell! the scar is 1K more pretty much.. I was thinking the same thing about just getting a sig.. but i just know how much better the scar feals when i shoot it.. there may be cheaper alternatives to the SCAR.. but that sig is not it in my book.. I am not sure what the going rate on a LMT is.. but i need to look in to it..
I have shot them back to back and the SIG kicks like a pissed off mule compared to the scar.. and feels heavy as hell! the scar is 1K more pretty much.. I was thinking the same thing about just getting a sig.. but i just know how much better the scar feals when i shoot it.. there may be cheaper alternatives to the SCAR.. but that sig is not it in my book.. I am not sure what the going rate on a LMT is.. but i need to look in to it..
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
time for my .02!
-SCAR-
-the SCAR problems with the charging handle listed above are stupid. if you have the CH hitting your hand, tear the rifle apart (takes about 20 seconds) and move the CH to the other side. there. problem solved.
-as far as pinpoint accuracy?! not really gonna happen. it's a chrome lined bore, and the piston is pretty damn heavy. that's a lot of moving mass (i know, piston guns can be accurate, but they are inherently INaccurate)
-FN customer service blows sheep. there, i said it. if you have a problem with the rifle, expect an impossible struggle trying to reach the CS department and have something solved. the range i work at stocks spare firing pins for the PS90 and P90s we own. when they break, we switch them and call CS and tell them it broke. takes a while to get a stupid firing pin replacement!!!
-breaks down easy, points well, light, easy recoiling, and if you think you'll be dismounting HMMWV's in Fallujah, the side folder is cool
-i'm not sure about the warranty, though. the FN website says there's no warranty card needed, so maybe it's lifetime of the firearm (think Taurus warranty)
-SIG 716-
-it's a SIG, they have an awesome reputation for, well, everything
-the 716 has a familiar feel, being a Stoner Design
-heavier than the SCAR, however that's not an issue to me as i don't really view a 308 of any sort to be a patrol type combat style rifle.
-accurate, more so than the SCAR from what i've done
-i'd say that the recoil isn't any more than the SCAR, maybe SLIGHTLY more (however, the SIG 716 has an A2 style flash hider, the SCAR uses a PWS muzzle brake)
-lifetime warranty, with excellent customer service
ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SIG 716. it's cheaper by $1k, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses!
time for my .02!
-SCAR-
-the SCAR problems with the charging handle listed above are stupid. if you have the CH hitting your hand, tear the rifle apart (takes about 20 seconds) and move the CH to the other side. there. problem solved.
-as far as pinpoint accuracy?! not really gonna happen. it's a chrome lined bore, and the piston is pretty damn heavy. that's a lot of moving mass (i know, piston guns can be accurate, but they are inherently INaccurate)
-FN customer service blows sheep. there, i said it. if you have a problem with the rifle, expect an impossible struggle trying to reach the CS department and have something solved. the range i work at stocks spare firing pins for the PS90 and P90s we own. when they break, we switch them and call CS and tell them it broke. takes a while to get a stupid firing pin replacement!!!
-breaks down easy, points well, light, easy recoiling, and if you think you'll be dismounting HMMWV's in Fallujah, the side folder is cool
-i'm not sure about the warranty, though. the FN website says there's no warranty card needed, so maybe it's lifetime of the firearm (think Taurus warranty)
-SIG 716-
-it's a SIG, they have an awesome reputation for, well, everything
-the 716 has a familiar feel, being a Stoner Design
-heavier than the SCAR, however that's not an issue to me as i don't really view a 308 of any sort to be a patrol type combat style rifle.
-accurate, more so than the SCAR from what i've done
-i'd say that the recoil isn't any more than the SCAR, maybe SLIGHTLY more (however, the SIG 716 has an A2 style flash hider, the SCAR uses a PWS muzzle brake)
-lifetime warranty, with excellent customer service
ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SIG 716. it's cheaper by $1k, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses!
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rukwikenuf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SCAR. it's cheaper by $1k</span>, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses! </div></div>
The scar is 1k more expensive; maybe you meant to pick the 716?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rukwikenuf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SCAR. it's cheaper by $1k</span>, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses! </div></div>
The scar is 1k more expensive; maybe you meant to pick the 716?
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
After months of convincing myself that I had to have a scar 17s, I finally got a chance to fondle a 16. Major disappointment is an understatement. I could not believe how much it "rattled" while being handled and how cheap it felt. Pair that with impossible CS and suddenly i'm not so sure if I wanna drop the 3k or not.
I won't be able to make any final decisions until i've shot'em both, but at least the sig "feels" like it'll survive a drop or two, not to mention the price difference.
After months of convincing myself that I had to have a scar 17s, I finally got a chance to fondle a 16. Major disappointment is an understatement. I could not believe how much it "rattled" while being handled and how cheap it felt. Pair that with impossible CS and suddenly i'm not so sure if I wanna drop the 3k or not.
I won't be able to make any final decisions until i've shot'em both, but at least the sig "feels" like it'll survive a drop or two, not to mention the price difference.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DogBone87</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rukwikenuf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SCAR. it's cheaper by $1k</span>, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses! </div></div>
The scar is 1k more expensive; maybe you meant to pick the 716? </div></div>
sorry, i was trying to feed the kid some cheerio's and type. you are 100% correct. i'm also a bit of a SIG Fanboy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DogBone87</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rukwikenuf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #FF0000">ok, there's the comparison in my eyes, and for my unasked opinion, i'd go SCAR. it's cheaper by $1k</span>, and yet still a very high quality rifle. i'd find a way to ditch the quadrail, but i don't like quadrails. i'd also toss the PWS brake on the SIG, in hopes of dropping the felt recoil down a notch or two.
there, that's my opinion, and you know what they say... mine smells like roses! </div></div>
The scar is 1k more expensive; maybe you meant to pick the 716? </div></div>
sorry, i was trying to feed the kid some cheerio's and type. you are 100% correct. i'm also a bit of a SIG Fanboy
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
I got my 17 for a hog gun and It will work wonderfull for it.
Its the lightest 308 rifle I've handled, it shoots moa, it cycles everthing I've fed it. Stays clean internally. It also has the lightest recoil of any 308 Ive shot. It feels more like a .223 until it barks.
I feel like the charging handle is a huge non issue. If you know a rifle has a charging handle...why put your hand in the way? And if you cant help it. Take the 20 seconds to switch it to the other side.
Sig makes nice stuff too, but Scars have come down quite a bit in price any the price difference can be between $400-600 these days not a $1,000.
I got my 17 for a hog gun and It will work wonderfull for it.
Its the lightest 308 rifle I've handled, it shoots moa, it cycles everthing I've fed it. Stays clean internally. It also has the lightest recoil of any 308 Ive shot. It feels more like a .223 until it barks.
I feel like the charging handle is a huge non issue. If you know a rifle has a charging handle...why put your hand in the way? And if you cant help it. Take the 20 seconds to switch it to the other side.
Sig makes nice stuff too, but Scars have come down quite a bit in price any the price difference can be between $400-600 these days not a $1,000.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
I've spent some trigger time with a SCAR 17. I wanted to hate the gun, but it turned out that I really like it. I think the charging handle sucks, but if you put it on the opposite side, it works well. My friend bought one, and he has over 1k through it, and it surprisingly has better accuracy than I thought it would. It's a MOA gun for sure, and I watched him make a first and second round hit at 800yds with it using a NF NXS 1-4 with FC2.
His gun has been completely reliable, soft shooting, and very light. He hunts with it, uses it for a Heavy Optics 3-gun rifle, and general purpose .308. He will be putting a Surefire suppressor on it and a Leupold CQBSS. While it will eat up some weight, it should complement the gun nicely.
I have shot and handled the SCAR 16 some, and was completely unimpressed. The gun will not really do much that a standard AR will do. Plus, the small samples of them I have seen had feeding issues. (though it was likely mag issues)
I have only seen a Sig 716 so I have no real opinion.
I think both are fine guns. Is the SCAR worth $1k more? That's on you. I went a different direction and bought a LaRue OBR. But I do see the benefit of a light weight .308 at some point in my future. Will it be a SCAR or 716? Not likely. But the Sig has a great price point.
I've spent some trigger time with a SCAR 17. I wanted to hate the gun, but it turned out that I really like it. I think the charging handle sucks, but if you put it on the opposite side, it works well. My friend bought one, and he has over 1k through it, and it surprisingly has better accuracy than I thought it would. It's a MOA gun for sure, and I watched him make a first and second round hit at 800yds with it using a NF NXS 1-4 with FC2.
His gun has been completely reliable, soft shooting, and very light. He hunts with it, uses it for a Heavy Optics 3-gun rifle, and general purpose .308. He will be putting a Surefire suppressor on it and a Leupold CQBSS. While it will eat up some weight, it should complement the gun nicely.
I have shot and handled the SCAR 16 some, and was completely unimpressed. The gun will not really do much that a standard AR will do. Plus, the small samples of them I have seen had feeding issues. (though it was likely mag issues)
I have only seen a Sig 716 so I have no real opinion.
I think both are fine guns. Is the SCAR worth $1k more? That's on you. I went a different direction and bought a LaRue OBR. But I do see the benefit of a light weight .308 at some point in my future. Will it be a SCAR or 716? Not likely. But the Sig has a great price point.
Re: SIg 716 or SCAR 17?
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