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Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

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Hi, im new to this forum as of today. Little introduction, im 17 and work in texas with a family member supplying oil fields with mobile generators. however we very often have calls about those pesky things called hogs. on top of this i do a large amount of hunting. so my question to anybody who can give me some advice is what rifle should i be looking into as an ALL PURPOSE MULTI RANGE rifle. anywhere from 30-500 yards. looked alot at the scout rifle by steyr. my favorite feature was the long relief scope, but the 2.5x just wont do for longer range precision. I havent been able to find any other long eye relief high quality scopes out there. most are cheap $50 scopes that will lose zero after a change in temp or an elbow bump. price is not a huge issue, just looking for a high quality rifle/optic combination that will get the job done while being compact, light, and accurate. (rifle will be kept in truck and used for predator hunting so hence the compact and light)

-Connor
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

A shorter barreled .308 would probably fit your needs well. Depending on your preference for brand and control positions you could go with a Remington 700 SPS Tactical (20" varmint contour barrel) or possibly a Savage. They make several shorter barreled rifles now. One I believe is specifically built for hog hunting. To get out to 500 yards any scope with a top end between 9 and 12 power will do. One with bullet drop gradations on the reticle will help for longer shots without adjusting for elevation.

Read through some threads here and you'll learn a lot. Be sure to check out the hunting section as well.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

So you mean something like this?

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Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Connor,

Welcome to the 'Hide.

A Savage 11 Hog Hunter in 308 sounds almost ideal for your needs; match it with a decent scope (Bushnell 10x40, Weaver 3-10x40, SWFA SS 10x42 or 12x42) and you'll have a good truck gun.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Do not get a fixed 10x if you anticipate 30 yard shots.

I'd recommend a 700 AAC if you plan on taking big game. If it will only be varmints at extended range and deer relatively close, I'd say an AR would be ideal for you. They are light, fast handling, and cheap to shoot.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

I bought the exact rifle you need, not but three weeks ago. Get a Tikka Lite Stainless in 308. It was $499.00 at Cabelas and shoots lights out. Put a decent scope on it and you have a killer.

Tikka's are built by SAKO and have an excellent reputation for accuracy.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneteam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought the exact rifle you need, not but three weeks ago. Get a Tikka Lite Stainless in 308. It was $499.00 at Cabelas and shoots lights out. Put a decent scope on it and you have a killer.

Tikka's are built by SAKO and have an excellent reputation for accuracy. </div></div>

This with any decent scope. I'll be putting one of the 3-10x Weaver mil/mil scopes from Midway on my Tikka T3 one of these days. Right now it wears a fixed 10x, which isn't ideal for anything less than 50 yards.

Tikka's are lightweight, accurate, and come with a detachable mag. Mucho mejor than Rem or Savage.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

I'll agree on the Tikka as a excellent value rifle. Great trigger and has DBM from factory.Super smooth bolt throw and lightweight. Pick your caliber as they have a lot to choose from in that rifle. .223, .243, .308, even some .260s about.
 
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Seems to me that given the behavior of most wild hogs you would prefer a semi-auto with a decent caliber and variable glass. Maybe a zoom glass with a micro reflex on top for a good all around.

I think an AR10 with good glass could do all you are looking to accomplish and more.

something like the hamr might be of interest to you. http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-mark-4-hamr-4x24mm-fixed-power-riflescope.html
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneteam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought the exact rifle you need, not but three weeks ago. Get a Tikka Lite Stainless in 308. It was $499.00 at Cabelas and shoots lights out. Put a decent scope on it and you have a killer.

Tikka's are built by SAKO and have an excellent reputation for accuracy. </div></div>

Yep, agree. Rem 700 would be my first choice, but it's hard to beat the Tikka for overall value for the $

Welcome to the forum.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

At the risk of being the odd man out, what about an AR? Perhaps in one of the 6.5 mm chambers.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

I would suggest getting a semi automatic. My family kills hundreds of hogs off our farms in the panhandle of TX. We shoot R-25 .243, DPMS .308, and AR-15 .223. The problem with a bolt action is the small magazine capacity. It doesn't matter how good of a shot you are, if you get into a herd of 40 hogs, 5 rounds isn't going to get you very far.

As far as scope, we are shooting 2-10, 3-9, 4.5-14, etc. Make sure you get something with a low enough power that you can shoot one right out the window. Top end isn't as important to us because most of our shots are on the move at less than 100 so FOV is very important.

I've shot them with everything from a .22lr to a .300 WM, I really like the .243, 7mm-08 and .308. You get plenty of punch with low enough recoil that you can get to the next one quickly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeBUtah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At the risk of being the odd man out, what about an AR? Perhaps in one of the 6.5 mm chambers. </div></div> I agree with Joe on the AR platform. We kill lots of hogs with the 556.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Mossberg MVP Predator.

No problems with magazine capacity, it takes USGI spec magazines, so ten is not the limit.

Comes with a 3-9 variable, and if that's not working out, you can upgrade the optics.

I will be picking up my own MVP Varmint later this month. I consider it the perfect caliber-companion to my recently acquired Stag Model 6 Super Varminter. The mags will interchange.

Greg
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

+1 for the MVP predator. The ability to use cheap 30 rnd mags is a huge plus. Just get the crown redone and the action blueprinted, Mossberg has not caught up on its rifle quality as of yet. As far as glass, Millet and Burris make a 1X4 power scope that I use on my truck gun. I dont know your budget, but look at the Nikon Monarch series scope, they give a great value on the dollar. Lastly, make sure you use a really heavy round for hogs if you decide to go with the MVP. SS109 with the steel core should work just fine as long as you brain them.
Welcome to the forum Connor. Best of luck.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Those Mossbergs look like cool little rifles... Great. Something else to lust over...
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3582037&page=1

or this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3622572#Post3622572 </div></div>

The op said he was 17, worked his nuts off for a living, and asked for suggestions on a truck gun and u tell him to spend thousands of dollars. God Damn man it doesn't take much to kill something at 500 yards. He needs to get him a Remington 700 aacd or Savage 10 precision carbine. Put a 3-10 mil/mil weaver on it with a EGW base and some tps rings. Use the rest of the money for ammo and have fun. If he said he wanted a 1000 yard half moa rifle, I can understand spending the extra $.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jsthntn247</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3582037&page=1

or this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3622572#Post3622572 </div></div>

The op said he was 17, worked his nuts off for a living, and asked for suggestions on a truck gun and u tell him to spend thousands of dollars. God Damn man it doesn't take much to kill something at 500 yards. He needs to get him a Remington 700 aacd or Savage 10 precision carbine. Put a 3-10 mil/mil weaver on it with a EGW base and some tps rings. Use the rest of the money for ammo and have fun. If he said he wanted a 1000 yard half moa rifle, I can understand spending the extra $. </div></div>

Ask me how much I have in my entire bieber
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ask me how much I have in my entire bieber </div></div>

Hey, how much do you have in your bieber?
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

The scope and suppressor already take you over the $2K mark.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

As mentioned he doesn't need a USO price tag, a suppressor, or custom paint, so exclude those from the cost and I got 1500 in it
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Sorry for the innactivity. havent had much access to a computer. and thanks for all the suggestions! as far as top end on optics im not looking much higher than 10-12 and low end, i do not want higher than 4. 3 or 3.5 is prefered. i have looked at multiple ar's but even with the advantage of a semi-automatic, i will always have more trust in a solid bolt.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

I personally want, and think, that the Ruger GSR is my almost perfect "utility" rifle.

Around $800, detachable mag, .308, iron sights, light, and with a low power optic; would definitely be my hunting/plinking/trail riding/throw in the truck- rifle.

Have you looked into them?
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

I had this same dilemma about a year and a half ago. I picked up the Ruger GSR. I didnt know too much about it, but I saw it at a local gun show. About a dozen coyotes and a deer later I would have to say that it is a great utility rifle. Its not a match gun, nor a custom gun, but its good for what it is. I really like that it uses AICS mags, so that I have mag commonality amongst my higher end guns. Its currently set up with a Leupold long eye relief scout scope, and I use it for still hunting and riding in the truck/4 wheeler with me. It shoots decent, maybe 1-1.5 MOA with good ammo.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

Just picked up my MVP, but it turned out to be the Predator and not the Varmint. 20" fluted sporter barrel, instead of 24" fluted heavy barrel, also some differences in the stock design. It was there in my hands, I'd promised to buy it, and I'd like to see what promise the rifle holds.

NIB, $479 plus tax, no scope or rings included, comes with Weaver style bases. The Tasco 2.5-10x42 MilDot Varmint/Target VAR2510X42M meets your needs and price range, I have two and they are excellent for what you have in mind.

Actually, our club range max is 250 yd, and this may turn out to be a very handy firearm for feral hogs and the occasional coyote, both of which are coming our way. 'Yotes have been here longtime, and the Hogs are aready breeding on the far (East) side of Seneca Lake.

I have Prvi 69gr and 75gr Match to try, Wolf, TulAmmo, Federal bulk 55gr ball ammo, Federal M855, 69SMK (23.5, 24.0, 24.5gr Varget) and HDY 75gr HPBT-M (23.0, 23.5, 24.0gr Varget) handloads to test, and Nosler 50gr BT (26.0gr Varget) Varmint loads as well.

As an experiment, I collet pulled the bullets from ten Wolf 55gr cartridges bullets (which have open bases with exposed lead) and reseated them backward, to see how they work. This essentially turns them into "trashcan hollowpoints", which might have some utility on hogs. There's only about 1/4" of bullet base sticking out of the cases.

If they function acceptably and can hit a target; the next step is to try them alongside the unmodified ball round against water jugs to see how terminal effects might be altered.

Greg

Did the new-rifle cleaning last night. Learned a few things about the rifle. The bolt diameter is smaller, and the action length is actually shorter than the typical short action. None of my bore guides will fit inside the receiver. Gonna have to figure out how to remedy that soon.

The bore showed some traces of surface rust on the patches, but I fully expect this will clean up and go away after firing some rounds. The first session will involve testing a number of loads, so that's gonna happen anyway.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

They have been using self-loaders in the military since the mid 1930's.
I believe that they have been proven reliable.

A decent AR with a decent 1-3 or 1-4 optic would seem to be nearly ideal.
Load with prvi 75 grain match and be done with it.

Another option is a pump rifle, Remington makes a pump rifle in .308, with the aforementioned scope attached, it should work very well without breaking the bank. Model 7600 synthetic.

I am not a fan of Ruger at all, but the gunsite scout rifle is a very attractive package.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been using self-loaders in the military since the mid 1930's.
I believe that they have been proven reliable.

A decent AR with a decent 1-3 or 1-4 optic would seem to be nearly ideal.
Load with prvi 75 grain match and be done with it.

Another option is a pump rifle, Remington makes a pump rifle in .308, with the aforementioned scope attached, it should work very well without breaking the bank. Model 7600 synthetic.

I am not a fan of Ruger at all, but the gunsite scout rifle is a very attractive package.</div></div>

I like the way you simplify.

That said, a decent AR in 5.56, 6mm or 6.5 mm will be the cats ass on multiple long range targets out to 500m. AR's have proven they can be VERY accurate. Albeit, sometimes at the cost of me cussing and swearing because it takes me a long time to get the rifle clean.
My opinion too is spend some bucks on glass for the long shots. The one place I would spend money on is an ST-6 by U.S. Optics. It's really enough optic for a long ways out, but low enough to shoot up close.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jsthntn247</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3582037&page=1

or this

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3622572#Post3622572 </div></div>

The op said he was 17, worked his nuts off for a living, and asked for suggestions on a truck gun and u tell him to spend thousands of dollars. God Damn man it doesn't take much to kill something at 500 yards. He needs to get him a Remington 700 aacd or Savage 10 precision carbine. Put a 3-10 mil/mil weaver on it with a EGW base and some tps rings. Use the rest of the money for ammo and have fun. If he said he wanted a 1000 yard half moa rifle, I can understand spending the extra $. </div></div>

Remember he also stated price wasn't an issue. Hell within one summer of working on the farm when i was in high school i was able to field a sako 85 hunter with money left over. So depending on his situation, "the bieber" might not be out of his price range.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

A bit over a year ago, I did a review here on SH of the Ruger Scout Gunsite or whatever it was called. Liked the concept, but didn't like their execution. Here's the review

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...737#Post2673737

That rifle got me thinking about doing my own version which has resulted in this:

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scout2.jpg


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Idea behind the project was the same as the old Jeff Cooper Scout Rifle. Light, handy, rugged, accurate and try and keep it inexpensive.

Started with a Rem 600, which I bought for peanuts at a local gun shop because the stock looked like beavers had chewed on it. But the action was like new. And the 600's have actions that are quite smooth compared to the Ruger. One of my main objections to the Ruger Scout was that the action was anything but smooth and at something like $1k... that rifle was IMHO over-priced.

I shortened the barrel and put a brake on it (acquired from a 'Hide member, BTW). I did the shortening and threading work myself on a lathe. I really didn't need a brake, but I liked the one on the Ruger Gunsite rifle, so went that route.

Stock is a cheapie from an auction site. $60. A bit of Dremel work, however, and it fits nicely. I splurged on some bottom metal rather than the Model 600 Nylon original. I had to custom turn a couple of stainless bedding screws to get the bottom metal to work on that stock. I think the metal was $45 or so. And I forgot where the mount came from. I could have gone w. a regular set of weaver bases, but again, in replicating the Ruger, I wanted a Picatinny-type rail.

Still trying to decide on an optic, but it will be a low-power variable of some kind for deer hunting. And I'll just paint the metal/stock. My total into this is less than $500 including buying the rifle.

This thread has been a good reminder that I only have a couple of weeks to finish it before deer season starts... then again, there is always 'next' deer season! But maybe tonite I'll surf for some optics.

And I guess I need to come up with a cool name for it like the "Bieber." VJJ... that's a very sweet setup, sorry I missed your earlier threads. Nicely done.

To the OP... some good advice above. I am not familiar w. the MVP, but Greg L. won't steer you wrong. The Tikkas are fantastic and inexpensive enough that you can spend extra on a good optic. The Tikka would be my choice, but that's not to put down other ideas above. I am building a custom now around a Tikka T3 and they are one of the best values out there.

For 30-500 yard flexibility (and anything that moves at 500!), your scope choice will be key. Lots of bolt rifles will shoot minute of hog at 500. But your ability to see and hit will come w. a good optic.

If you want bolt, go bolt. Lots of good semi's out there, but your best 'bang for the buck' is in a used bolt rifle or a new one like a Tikka, MVP, some Savages, etc. You will get more rifle for your $ used if you shop carefully.

Don't feel you need to drop a ton on a utility rifle or a truck gun... or a first gun for that matter. One of the best bits of advice above was to spend moderately on this, your first setup, but to spend on ammo and shoot a lot! Maybe learn to handload and get a basic handloading setup budgeted in???

That said, once we get you hooked on precision rifles, we'll help you spend your farm earnings like a drunken sailor on leave in Singapore... But for now, start smart.

Welcome to the 'Hide! Let us know what you decide re. your rifle!

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS It's a .308. Thanks to a fellow-Hider for asking! My oversight.


 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CMapes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..... i have looked at multiple ar's but even with the advantage of a semi-automatic, i will always have more trust in a solid bolt. </div></div>

Know exactly what you mean. In general I feel the same way probably because I just do not use the AR platform often. That being said I did get to use a Remington R-25 at a 500m steel range. I think it had a Leupold AR scope 3-9x40 with the BDC dial matching the ammo. Shooting rams at 500m felt like shooting fish in a barrel. If you have the chance take a look at it. I think it would do a good job for what you describe.
 
Re: Hey y'all, looking to buy a utility rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CMapes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, im new to this forum as of today. Little introduction, im 17 and work in texas with a family member supplying oil fields with mobile generators. however we very often have calls about those pesky things called hogs. on top of this i do a large amount of hunting. so my question to anybody who can give me some advice is what rifle should i be looking into as an ALL PURPOSE MULTI RANGE rifle. anywhere from 30-500 yards. looked alot at the scout rifle by steyr. my favorite feature was the long relief scope, but the 2.5x just wont do for longer range precision. I havent been able to find any other long eye relief high quality scopes out there. most are cheap $50 scopes that will lose zero after a change in temp or an elbow bump. price is not a huge issue, just looking for a high quality rifle/optic combination that will get the job done while being compact, light, and accurate. (rifle will be kept in truck and used for predator hunting so hence the compact and light)

-Connor </div></div>


Kimber Montana 308.

Thank me later.