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Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

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    <span style="color: #FF0000">Ok, I got the bolt action bug.</span> My limit including optics finished is about 2500 to 3000 dollars tops. I just can't afford anymore than this. Must have a bull barrel and is used for 90% punching bug holes in paper 100yards and beyond. Just can't see myself going past 600yards. Possible use for deer hunting in a tree stand, but doubt it.... I have other rifles for that. So far i'm thinking 260 rem... Must be easy on the pocket for ammunition and will be reloading ammo for this rifle. This is my prelminary list so far. I'm up for any suggestions.


    - Savage 12LRP 260 REM @ $900 bucks

    - Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP Riflescope @ $950

    - not sure on mounts / rails yet... would you mount a picatinny rail with which scope mounts / rings? about $250

    - 3"-6" swivel harris bipod @ $90 bucks


    total so far $2200 dollars finished.




    What do you all think?
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">get EGW bases and rings...

    about the only thing I'd personally change is, I'd go 6.5CM or 243 </div></div>

    He says his use will be for paper punching between 100 and 600 yards. In my opinion, there is really very little (if any) need for anything other than a 223 or 308 for that purpose - particularly when cost of ammo is [stated] key concern.
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    i already have a 223 and 308.. really looking for something different than 223 and 308.... thanks for the reply tho!
     
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    +1 on what force said. I would opt for the 243 since 600 is your Max and only paper or steel targets. No need to spend more money for the extra punch when the 243 will do better just without the smack. Only down side is most factory 243 don't come with a 8 twist barrel for the bigger pills. Also 243 stuff is sold every where unlike 260 or Creedmoor.

    I have both 243 and a Creedmoor love em to death but if I would be stuck with 600 yards I doubt the Creedmoor would see much action.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that Savage LRP 243 has a 8 twist... IIRC</div></div>


    I was wrong... the 260 and 6.5CM have 8 twist bbls....243 is a 9.25 twist
     
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    nice to know dmpowder. see, this is why i come to you guys.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on what force said. I would opt for the 243 since 600 is your Max and only paper or steel targets. No need to spend more money for the extra punch when the 243 will do better just without the smack. Only down side is most factory 243 don't come with a 8 twist barrel for the bigger pills. Also 243 stuff is sold every where unlike 260 or Creedmoor.

    I have both 243 and a Creedmoor love em to death but if I would be stuck with 600 yards I doubt the Creedmoor would see much action. </div></div>
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    would you guys go with a completely different rifle in my price range?


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that Savage LRP 243 has a 8 twist... IIRC</div></div>


    I was wrong... the 260 and 6.5CM have 8 twist bbls....243 is a 9.25 twist </div></div>
     
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    that's exactly the rifle I'd do... hard to beat out of the box... I just personally like shooting a 243, and I like the 6.5CM over the 260 because it has factory ammo available, if I want it, brass is cheap, and it's a little shorter cased, so it feeds from a mag better w/ 140gr bullets
     
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    thanks brother, that's awesome information. i'll really put some thought and research into the 243 especially when the ammo is so easy to get around here / cheap,,,, and i can reload the brass. good info, good info

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that's exactly the rifle I'd do... hard to beat out of the box... I just personally like shooting a 243, and I like the 6.5CM over the 260 because it has factory ammo available, if I want it, brass is cheap, and it's a little shorter cased, so it feeds from a mag better w/ 140gr bullets </div></div>
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    Those savages 12 LRP with the DBM is no joke they are extremely good shooters from what I have seen. Also note they come with the "target" accu trigger which is pretty amazing for being a factory trigger and are significantly better than the normal accu trigger.
     
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    and a HS Precision stock... for around $900-950 street price... in 260, 6.5CM, and 243.... they're tough to beat for a beginner rig
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    Savage makes a great shooter but I would definitely budget for a new stock. I'm not sure what they are coming with now but the few I owned years back came with real crappy stocks.
     
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    if you could spend just that little bit more $$$$,,, what rifle would you do force_multiplier? i'm all ears. 243 sounds like it might be the way to go then... stll kicking around the 6.5 creed tho. thanks for the info.


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and a HS Precision stock... for around $900-950 street price... in 260, 6.5CM, and 243.... they're tough to beat for a beginner rig </div></div>
     
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    for more money... I'd buy a Savage hog hunter for $450 or so, sell the bbl and stock, order a CBI 243 bbl (8 twist) for $280, recoil lug for $35ish, and a Manners stock for around $550-575, CDI DBM and mag for $275ish...


    $400 for the action
    $280 for the bbl
    $35 for the lug
    $550 for a Manners
    $275 for the DBM and mag

    $1550ish total

    $950 for your PST

    $150 for base and rings (at the most)

    puts you shooting at around $2650... and it'll drive tacks
     
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    that's awesome, thanks brother! i'll seriously put some research into it!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for more money... I'd buy a Savage hog hunter for $450 or so, sell the bbl and stock, order a CBI 243 bbl (8 twist) for $280, recoil lug for $35ish, and a Manners stock for around $550-575, CDI DBM and mag for $275ish...


    $400 for the action
    $280 for the bbl
    $35 for the lug
    $550 for a Manners
    $275 for the DBM and mag

    $1550ish total

    $950 for your PST

    $150 for base and rings (at the most)

    puts you shooting at around $2650... and it'll drive tacks </div></div>
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    Buy a stevens200, it would be a lil cheaper...
    Same exact action.
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maclowry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy a stevens200, it would be a lil cheaper...
    Same exact action.</div></div>

    except that the Stevens is only about $100 cheaper than an hog hunter, and the Stevens will NEED a trigger and a bolt knob... negating the savings... only reason to buy a Stevens (which are a little harder to find these days) is IF you hate the accu trigger
     
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    Go 260, you may eventually want to go out further and when you do the cartridge is more than capable.
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hewlett260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go 260, you may eventually want to go out further and when you do the cartridge is more than capable.</div></div>

    ok... tell me how the 260 is more capable? my 243 launches 105 A-Max uncoated at 3100fps.... w/ 7.7 mils to 1000, and it's no where near out of gas
     
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    i got a couple friends telling me to go with the 260 rather than 243 as they are "barrel burners"?? i really like how cheap and the vast selection of 243 factory ammo they had @ my local gun store in which i could easy reload.


    stopped by my local gun shop just to see if I could get lucky with a savage 12 LRP and it was a no go.... they did have a cooper model 54 with a pheonix stock on it... single stage trigger pull on the cooper had to be about 2lbs and was really nice... but they wanted $1550 for the cooper and it had a 1 in 10 twist. still looking for a savage 12 lrp.
     
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    yeah, i think i'm still going with the 243... ammo is soo damn cheap and easy to get... i think i would purhcase a savage 12lrp in .243 in a heartbeat if they had one local that i could pick up and play with... keeping an eye on kentucky gun company.


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ask those friends how many barrels they've burned out </div></div>
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ask those friends how many barrels they've burned out </div></div>

    Stop it FM! You know how most people read it on the net. And if it's on there then it's got to be the truth.
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    Elfster: While the .243 is cheaper to shoot then the 6.5's it's not like comparing a 338LM to a .223! It's small between them but it's still there. Like you said it's everywhere I can't go anywhere in my town and buy 260 or Creedmoor anything but I can go out and buy factory loaded .243 or loading supplies for it.

    Saying don't buy a .243 because it's a "barrel burner" is kinda of foolish if you ask me. Now get a rifle chambered for a 22-243 then you will have a barrel burner!
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for more money... I'd buy a Savage hog hunter for $450 or so, sell the bbl and stock, order a CBI 243 bbl (8 twist) for $280, recoil lug for $35ish, and a Manners stock for around $550-575, CDI DBM and mag for $275ish...


    $400 for the action
    $280 for the bbl
    $35 for the lug
    $550 for a Manners
    $275 for the DBM and mag

    $1550ish total

    $950 for your PST

    $150 for base and rings (at the most)

    puts you shooting at around $2650... and it'll drive tacks </div></div>

    You could do the chassis route to avoid bedding and have an integral DBM. The only downside would be the wait as they are around the same price.
     
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    Lots of guys have had .243s go south below 2k. Barrels are replaceable and should be considered. With the faster barrel wear, is it still "cheaper" to shoot than .260?

    While I'm not a big Cooper fan, may be a good solution for an out of the box "target" rifle. I've seen several of them shoot, though they aren't tacticool. I really don't see the point adding a cartridge "just because" when you've described yourself you don't have a "need" then debate x vs y trying to pick "better".

    It's like guys that don't race picking their car based solely on 0-60 or top-end.
     
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    And I have seen guys set there 260 barrels back after only 1500 rounds it all in how it gets shot. Just some info sake what do they consider toast? I mean would it only do 2MOA or was it still MOA or better?

    I must ask do you NEED every rifle you own? Because lets be honest here 70% of people on this site don't need a rifle or more then one. But yes he has a need as he does not have a bolt action so there is the need.

    Only 600 yards paper or steel. Why get something. With less performance with more recoil and supplies cost more? If there was a chance of taking game I would agree with the 6.5 for more punch.

    Wait I haven't heard anyone toasting a barrel on a Creedmoor so I guess that makes it better then the 243 and 260.

    Elfster I do believe it's Rob01 that maybe going to a 243 for next year and dropping his Creedmoor! Don't quote me on that but I do believe it was him. Run the numbers yourself and see the difference and like I said pick which one you want as that is what matters the most. You wont be disappointed with any of the calibers mentioned here.
     
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    You're not going to see many .260s go in under 2k unless they are running a rediculous rate of fire.

    Furthermore, with 6.5/6mm/.308 brass, powder, and primers cost the same. Deviation is in the cost of bullets and BARREL LIFE.

    He doesn't need the performance per his own admission. Barrels typically cost $500-600 to have thrown on. If a .243 runs good for 1200 rds, a .260 for 3000, and a .308 for 10,000, which one is cheapest to shoot? He states himself, "Must be easy on the pocket for ammunition ".

    The $5 a box/100 cheaper bullets in .243 isn't going to do much in the long run.

    Also, I believe Rob, since you're speaking for him, just had a new 6.5 CM done by Moon with a .308 barrel. I believe he has a dedicated .308 for practice and runs .243 and 6.5 CM for "tactical" matches and .308 for F-T/R. That's a pretty popular method...cheap (.308) for practice, expensive for matches.
     
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    I'm all messed up now.. Not sure what to do... Guys I work with swear up and down 6.5 creed... 243, 260, 6.5 creed... then again, absolutely no 6.5 creed on my local shelves factory and would be 100% reloading (which i'm actually fine with as i have all of the equipment other than the die sets... my reloading set up is actually rather impressive)... they only had 1 box of 260, and tons of 243....... how many rounds do you think i could get out of a savage 12 LRP 243 until it would really need to be looked at?


    What other calibers for a bolt action should i be looking at? What about 270, 7mm, hell 300 win mag. Just wondering.
     
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    How long one lasts will depend on shooting habits. But barrels are consumable. Just factor it into your cost per round. But be realistic for the ranges you intend to shoot, what do you hope to gain? How much improvement is it to be over .308 ? Run it in your ballistic calculator and see what the difference actually is.


    These days for a precision rifle, I'd consider .260, .243, 6.5 CM, .223, 6.5x47, 7mm-08, .284, .308, 6mm XC, 6mmBR, etc. I'd forget .270, 7mm Rem Mag, and the .300 Mags. Seriously, for shooting 600 MAX, what is it you think you'll gain? The difference is going to marginal compared to the old .308 Win.

    .308 is going to have long barrel life, cheap components, cheaper Lapua brass, you've already got dies. The only reason to consider the alternatives is if you're shootin longer range or you're recoil sensitive.
     
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    maybe just stick with the .308 then? hmmmm.... figured i would switch it up a little with my bolt action.... really is something to consider.... i do want a barrel that will last as this might be my only bolt action rifle (i'm more of a AR semi-auto type of guy).... this is good information,

    one last question tylerw02,,,,, with keeping barrel life in mind, other than 308 and 243, which would you pick in your "precision" cartridge list? 6.5 creed?


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How long one lasts will depend on shooting habits. But barrels are consumable. Just factor it into your cost per round. But be realistic for the ranges you intend to shoot, what do you hope to gain? How much improvement is it to be over .308 ? Run it in your ballistic calculator and see what the difference actually is.


    These days for a precision rifle, I'd consider .260, .243, 6.5 CM, .223, 6.5x47, 7mm-08, .284, .308, 6mm XC, 6mmBR, etc. I'd forget .270, 7mm Rem Mag, and the .300 Mags. Seriously, for shooting 600 MAX, what is it you think you'll gain? The difference is going to marginal compared to the old .308 Win.

    .308 is going to have long barrel life, cheap components, cheaper Lapua brass, you've already got dies. The only reason to consider the alternatives is if you're shootin longer range or you're recoil sensitive.

    </div></div>
     
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    For the ranges you're shooting there's not much to gain when you run the numbers. But I personally run a .260 at the moment with A/W mags. I shoot it in club matches to 800. Seems there's no advantage to the .260 til about 700 yards where lots of the .308s start to open up. I personally like the 6.5x47 a lot if you intend to run AICS mags. 6.5 CM works just as well. It's a matter I what's most available. From my experience the 6.5x47 brass lasts forever. I've never had luck with Hornady brass lasting in other cartridges, but haven't used the 6.5 CM personally. I went .260 on this barrel so I could run cheap Rem brass when I wanted for matches where I may not be able to recover it, yet still have the option to pick up some Lapua for it If need be. If it weren't for having an A/W cut action to take advantage of the potential of the .260, I'd have probably gone with the shorter guys---6.5x47 or 6.5 CM. I shoot the .308 most for casual shooting do barrel life isn't most important for those rifles. When they wear, I'll get a new one. A 7mm-08 tends to last well and offers a slight advantage over .308 ballistics.

    Before jumping in, ask what is your acceptable performance and how much you intend to shoot it. Then decide what's going to work best

    Also you've cited .243 ammo locally...what kind of ammo is this? Is it going to be something that actually performs? Probably not. I'd take match .308 over the performance of hunting .243 any day.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm all messed up now.. Not sure what to do... Guys I work with swear up and down 6.5 creed... 243, 260, 6.5 creed... then again, absolutely no 6.5 creed on my local shelves factory and would be 100% reloading (which i'm actually fine with as i have all of the equipment other than the die sets... my reloading set up is actually rather impressive)... they only had 1 box of 260, and tons of 243....... how many rounds do you think i could get out of a savage 12 LRP 243 until it would really need to be looked at?


    What other calibers for a bolt action should i be looking at? What about 270, 7mm, hell 300 win mag. Just wondering. </div></div>

    Before you go too far down the rabbit hole, reflect on these points a little more:

    1. Maximum practical range
    2. Will you, or will you not reload for this cartridge

    Answer point 2 first. If quality match-grade factory ammo available locally is important to you, sounds like 308 is the simple answer here. If you're happy to load all your own, the choices become limitless.

    Again, at 600 yards, there is relatively LITTLE to be gained by choosing something other than 308.

    Nonetheless, if you want better ballistics than 308, the 260 or 6.5CM becomes the simple answer. There is a good reason these are so popular. They do everything well, and are well-balanced do all cartridges.

    If you want to veer off the beaten path and be a little different, say so. There are a myriad of other cartridges that each offer something a little different.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....A 7mm-08 tends to last well and offers a slight advantage over .308 ballistics. </div></div>

    Respectfully disagree.

    7-08 offers a substantial ballistic advantage over 308. It is right there with 260, just depends if you prefer a little more flatness, or a little less drift.

    Agree that 708 barrels last.
     
    Re: Got the bolt-action bug! help with suggestions plz

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cacciatore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for more money... I'd buy a Savage hog hunter for $450 or so, sell the bbl and stock, order a CBI 243 bbl (8 twist) for $280, recoil lug for $35ish, and a Manners stock for around $550-575, CDI DBM and mag for $275ish...


    $400 for the action
    $280 for the bbl
    $35 for the lug
    $550 for a Manners
    $275 for the DBM and mag

    $1550ish total

    $950 for your PST

    $150 for base and rings (at the most)

    puts you shooting at around $2650... and it'll drive tacks </div></div>

    You could do the chassis route to avoid bedding and have an integral DBM. The only downside would be the wait as they are around the same price. </div></div>

    I agree with these statements. Buy a savage rifle (one of the more basic models), throw a CBI barrel on there in the caliber of your choosing, get a stock and DBM (or chassis), and you're good to go.

    1. For mounts I have been using EGW bases with TPS rings. Works great and never have had any problems. about $110 or so.

    2. I would suggest looking into a chassis too. I've got an XLR and a Manners for 2 of my savages. Love both systems but I do like I don't need the chassis bedded and it's already adjustable and no need to buy a DBM and such.

    3. As for caliber out to 600 yards, well your choices are pretty much limitless as a few people have said before. I put a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel on my savage so I could shoot out to 1000+ yards. My other savage is a .223 shooting 69gr pills. Pretty consistent to 600 yards. I will be rebarreling to a .223 with a 7 or 8 twist so I can shoot the heavier pills and will possibly AI it to get a little more velocity. Maybe consider a .223 AI if you want. You can shoot factory ammo in it or AI ammo. Great little cartridge to 600 yards and cheap ammo.

    A .243 is a good choice and I highly considered it before I got the 6.5. good ballistics and low recoil. However, since I shoot steel matches I thought it may not always have enough oomph to clearly show hits/misses. But this may not be an issue for you if you're not shooting comps. Cheaper brass and components than others.

    .308 is also a good choice but you said you kinda wanted something different. this is a good cartridge for about 600-800 and then other cartridges really start to show their advantages. but It does have a long barrel life, readily available ammo (from surplus to match) and will have some of the cheapest components.

    In the end everything is up to you and depends upon what you ultimately want. If you want a cartridge to go to 600 and then you'll take it further more often than you think or shooting long range comps, then go for a 6.5 or .243 sized round. If 600 will be the absolute max then you should probably opt for a .308 or .223 especially if cost is a concern. I know they're not new, high end, fancy or cool per se, but they are the good ole standby's and have a long track record. Cheaper than everything else and longer barrel life than everything else.

    Also one last thing, if you decide you no longer want a caliber (and have a savage) all you need to do (for the most part) is just buy another barrel and swap it out and start shooting.
     
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    Turbo, when you run the numbers at 600 yards it's pretty marginal. But definitely after that...7mm-08 really starts to shine. It really seems the .308 would be more than adequate for his application.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Turbo, when you run the numbers at 600 yards it's pretty marginal. But definitely after that...7mm-08 really starts to shine. It really seems the .308 would be more than adequate for his application. </div></div>

    Agreed, the advantages don't show strongly until after 600-700 yards. That's the case for nearly any cartridge though. Even a 7RM doesn't seem that much better than 308 at 500-600 yards.

    100% agree a 308 is absolutely sufficient for 600ish yards and in.