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This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a consequence of overpopulation, and will never be resolved until that overpopulation ceases. </div></div>

Greg, birth rates across the globe are not the source of concern you've made them out to be.

"Overpopulation" or some type of Malthusian population crash makes for good rhetoric, but is in no way based in fact.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a consequence of overpopulation, and will never be resolved until that overpopulation ceases. </div></div>

Greg, birth rates across the globe are not the source of concern you've made them out to be.

"Overpopulation" or some type of Malthusian population crash makes for good rhetoric, but is in no way based in fact. </div></div>

Only ignorance could make that reply. Over population is the #1 problem we have and no one is addressing it.
 
Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a consequence of overpopulation, and will never be resolved until that overpopulation ceases. </div></div>

Greg, birth rates across the globe are not the source of concern you've made them out to be.

"Overpopulation" or some type of Malthusian population crash makes for good rhetoric, but is in no way based in fact. </div></div>

Only ignorance could make that reply. Over population is the #1 problem we have and no one is addressing it. </div></div>

Your ignorance of the actual facts is on full display maggot, feel free to stop digging now.

"Global fertility rates are in general decline and this trend is most pronounced in industrialized countries, especially Western Europe, where populations are projected to decline dramatically over the next 50 years."


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
 
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^^^^^^Slapchop was right about you. It has little to do with birth rates. We have had an over population problem, for many years, if and when related to lifestyle. Of course if everyone in the world would give up all the modern convieniences, and go to a vegan agricu;tural society, the planet could handle it. Want to go vegan, there Guy? Wnat to give up yourcar and truck, and hot shower? I didnt think so. So wake up, learn to think beyond quoting pregurgitated pap, and quit being the tool of things you dont understand.
 
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Guy Mantag.

Fictional antihero in literature, a cynical troll here at The 'Hide.

Wise up folks, and don't feed the trolls. Save your time and bandwidth for real people.
 
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How does exposing your ignorance of the facts make me a "troll" Greg?

When one's beliefs are shown to be incorrect, the intellectually HONEST thing to do is admit the fault.

Replacement rates globally are there for your review, take the time to see how foolish your initial claim truly was.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Teach yourself and your children not to save the world, but to survive in it come what may. Grasp the wisdom of the roaches.
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I agree on most except that part Greg. Where do roaches commonly live? And if you're just trying to survive then you're not really living.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've no idea what the actual facts are, but clearly that won't stop you from talking smack.

Carry on with the drivel, the certainty with which you hold onto false beliefs is truly amusing.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevent...ng-birth-rates/ </div></div>

Showing that birth rates are slowing doesn't in any way support or ascertain that there isn't an "Over-Population" issue which there clearly is. Try looking at resource consumption and environmental impact.
 
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There is clearly overpopulation?

Clearly?? I think not.

I happen to agree with Guy, though not the method of his answer.

The planet has the capacity to sustain far more people than now and as tech advances we will be able to sustain more.

That's how it works. As we advance on food yields and medicine advances the max sustainable population rises.

Talk to me when we stop paying farmers to not grow food...
Just my opinion based on things I've read.
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">"The replacement rate—the reproduction rate that keeps a population stable—for developed countries is 2.1, yet nearly half the world’s population has birth rates lower than that."</span>

Folks can continue to deny the facts, but empirical data supports my claim.

The question of consumption and environmental impact is ancillary and a separate one to the question at hand.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is clearly overpopulation?

Clearly?? I think not.

I happen to agree with Guy, though not the method of his answer.

The planet has the capacity to sustain far more people than now and as tech advances we will be able to sustain more.

That's how it works. As we advance on food yields and medicine advances the max sustainable population rises.

Talk to me when we stop paying farmers to not grow food...
Just my opinion based on things I've read. </div></div>

Ino look at fossil fuel consumption and environmental factors. Fact is this world thrives on fossil fuels and is in no way capable of continuing at it's current pace and current consumption. It's not a question of our Countries advancements either. We're talking about Countries like India and China that although there's been great advancement in technology it's not being implemented due to costs and the inability to bring it to the populations effectively.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is clearly overpopulation?

Clearly?? I think not.

I happen to agree with Guy, though not the method of his answer.

The planet has the capacity to sustain far more people than now and as tech advances we will be able to sustain more.

That's how it works. <span style="color: #FF0000">As we advance on food yields </span> and medicine advances the max sustainable population rises.

Talk to me when we stop paying farmers to not grow food...
Just my opinion based on things I've read. </div></div>

If you like GMO's. I prefer organic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">"The replacement rate&#151;the reproduction rate that keeps a population stable&#151;for developed countries is 2.1, yet nearly half the world&#146;s population has birth rates lower than that."</span>

Folks can continue to deny the facts, but empirical data supports my claim.

<span style="color: #FF0000">The question of consumption and environmental impact is ancillary and a separate one to the question at hand </span> .

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You just cant seperate the two. Population = impact and consumption. If A then B. No way around if,...... unless your slightly retarded.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The question of consumption and environmental impact is ancillary and a separate one to the question at hand.</div></div>

The fuck it isn't. It's called Carry Capacity and they go hand in hand with population density. Just because birth rates are declining does not mean that they're non-existent altogether nor does it mean an area isn't way over it's carrying capacity.
 
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The US has fossil fuel capacity of centuries. Our gov't is the biggest block to utilization of it.

Already the fears of running out are being disproved over and over again.

Now will it eventually run out? Possibly, but over a couple hundred years I'm gonna say tech might advance to other options.

If it doesn't the population will reduce to sustainable levels.

The claim of overpopulation is incorrect in my view.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The US has fossil fuel capacity of centuries. Our gov't is the biggest block to utilization of it.

Already the fears of running out are being disproved over and over again.

Now will it eventually run out? Possibly, but over a couple hundred years I'm gonna say tech might advance to other options.

If it doesn't the population will reduce to sustainable levels.

The claim of overpopulation is incorrect in my view. </div></div>

I understand what you're saying Ino, but I think you're missing what I'm getting at. I'm talking globally. Although we may have enough reserves for 20 years the rest of the world does not. Also, the environmental impact on our Country doesn't necessarily have to originate from our country.

Add: And even if tech did catch up, you're going on the assumption that it would be affordable and other countries would voluntarily choose to implement it.
 
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I used our reserves as an example,

We have the most advanced technology in the world and in the past 10 years have "found" or discovered the ability to recover trillions or barrels of oil.

Just here, Africa, South America, Antarctica, the oceans...

We have a long way to go before we've maxed our opportunities out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The question of consumption and environmental impact is ancillary and a separate one to the question at hand.</div></div>

The fuck it isn't. It's called Carry Capacity and they go hand in hand with population density. Just because birth rates are declining does not mean that they're non-existent altogether nor does it mean an area isn't way over it's carrying capacity. </div></div>

Incorrect, but your attempt to change the question is noted.
 
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Lol... You're killing me right now dude. Yes, WE being the US does, but WE are not the World. Despite what everyone says, lol.
 
Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The question of consumption and environmental impact is ancillary and a separate one to the question at hand.</div></div>

The fuck it isn't. It's called Carry Capacity and they go hand in hand with population density. Just because birth rates are declining does not mean that they're non-existent altogether nor does it mean an area isn't way over it's carrying capacity. </div></div>

Incorrect, but your attempt to change the question is noted.
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I never changed the question... The question was Over-Population, not birth rates. You tried to go a different direction and you have no real response. Good luck with that...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used our reserves as an example,

<span style="color: #CC0000">We have the most advanced technology in the world and in the past 10 years have "found" or discovered the ability to recover trillions or barrels of oil </span> .

Just here, Africa, South America, Antarctica, the oceans...

We have a long way to go before we've maxed our opportunities out.
</div></div>

Since your being respectful, unlike Gay, Ill be the same.

At what cost to the planet/enviornment. Thats what Broker and I are talking about. Yes, the world could support 10,000,000,000 peo;oe, but not at the consumption rate and corresponding destruction of the enviornment. Its just not sustainalbe.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol... You're killing me right now dude. Yes, WE being the US does, <span style="font-weight: bold">but WE are not the World.</span> Despite what everyone says, lol. </div></div>

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Are too, are too!
 
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^^^^Thats so sweet. Thanks for posting
emo5.gif
Youve made me feel better already. Love him or hate him, he was a talented little bottle of chlorox.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol... You're killing me right now dude. Yes, WE being the US does, <span style="font-weight: bold">but WE are not the World.</span> Despite what everyone says, lol. </div></div>

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Are too, are too! </div></div>

Lol... Nice
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^Thats so sweet. Thanks for posting
emo5.gif
Youve made me feel better already. Love him or hate him, he was a talented little bottle of chlorox. </div></div>

AWB 2012: it's for the <span style="font-style: italic">children!</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol... You're killing me right now dude. Yes, WE being the US does, but WE are not the World. Despite what everyone says, lol. </div></div>

Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the facts?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol... You're killing me right now dude. Yes, WE being the US does, but WE are not the World. Despite what everyone says, lol. </div></div>

Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the <span style="color: #CC33CC">facts </span> ? </div></div>


Havent seen you psot any of those yet, Guy.
[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/_8x_Iocgfdw[/video]
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the facts? </div></div>

You're seriously an idiot. It doesn't matter how eloquently you try to spin your bullshit because it's still just that... bullshit. I love how you try to throw out Latin and literature as if it it will lend credibility to your crap and make everyone believe your somehow on a higher level of knowledge. Your a poor con artist Guy and repetitive at best.
 
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Calling Slapchop.
 
Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inogame</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used our reserves as an example,

<span style="color: #CC0000">We have the most advanced technology in the world and in the past 10 years have "found" or discovered the ability to recover trillions or barrels of oil </span> .

Just here, Africa, South America, Antarctica, the oceans...

We have a long way to go before we've maxed our opportunities out.
</div></div>

Since your being respectful, unlike Gay, Ill be the same.

At what cost to the planet/enviornment. Thats what Broker and I are talking about. Yes, the world could support 10,000,000,000 peo;oe, but not at the consumption rate and corresponding destruction of the enviornment. Its just not sustainalbe. </div></div>

It's cool I just have a different opinion. As you call it not sustainable I disagree.
Folks have been lamenting about unsustainable population for eons only to see more and more populations be sustainable.

Population equalizes to what is available, our population growing is a testimate to what we have accomplished.

In my opinion we have not in fact topped out what the earth can provide. No matter the screaming to the contrary. <-- and for that I mean generally not specific to you or anyone else who have chimed in.

Again, this is my opinion based on the discoveries and accomplishments made over the past few decades.

There could be a serious catastrophe that results in a population event, but so far the only evidence of that is entirely man made.. or in the first world it is gov't made.

I don't share your view on the environment, that doesn't mean I dismiss it I just don't think its as in danger as it seems you do (granted its difficult to get the feel of a person's beliefs from a few internet postings) The air is cleaner now than it was 15 years ago, that's with substantial increases in consumption and population. I have no reason to believe we will not continue to improve or hell, even stay the same.

Your opinion is it is not sustainable, you are welcomed to your opinion. It is not a fact.
Since our available resources are not known, even just the discovered ones you cannot factually cap a sustainable population. You can opine about it, and so can I.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the facts? </div></div>

You're seriously an idiot. It doesn't matter how eloquently you try to spin your bullshit because it's still just that... bullshit. I love how you try to throw out Latin and literature as if it it will lend credibility to your crap and make everyone believe your somehow on a higher level of knowledge. Your a poor con artist Guy and repetitive at best. </div></div>

You're welcome to continue spewing insults, it doesn't change the fact that you can't address the question at hand.

Malthus was wrong over a 100 years ago, but apparently you didn't get the memo.

Contrary to your nonsense, overpopulation is not the issue you'd like to make it.

In effort to distance yourself from that reality, you change the question, offer no citations, and stoop to invective.

Carry on with the distractions, your "eloquence" is something I can only aspire to, thanks for the display.
 
Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the facts? </div></div>

You're seriously an idiot. It doesn't matter how eloquently you try to spin your bullshit because it's still just that... bullshit. I love how you try to throw out Latin and literature as if it it will lend credibility to your crap and make everyone believe your somehow on a higher level of knowledge. Your a poor con artist Guy and repetitive at best. </div></div>

You're welcome to continue spewing insults, it doesn't change the fact that you can't address the question at hand.

Malthus was wrong over a 100 years ago, but apparently you didn't get the memo.

Contrary to your nonsense, overpopulation is not the issue you'd like to make it.

In effort to distance yourself from that reality, you change the question, offer no citations, and stoop to invective.

Carry on with the distractions, your "eloquence" is something I can only aspire to, thanks for the display. </div></div>

Like I said... Repetitive...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting non sequitur, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given your previous attempts at distraction.

You've hung your hat on 19th century nonsense that's already been shown to be laughably incorrect.

Perhaps a citation of Ehrlich's nonsense will be forthcoming, I can only hope so.

Malthusian BS has clearly infected your ability to see the issue clearly.

Do you routinely change the question when confronted with the facts? </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">You're seriously an idiot </span> . It doesn't matter how eloquently you try to spin your bullshit because it's still just that... bullshit. I love how you try to throw out Latin and literature as if it it will lend credibility to your crap and make everyone believe your somehow on a higher level of knowledge. Your a poor con artist Guy and repetitive at best. </div></div>

You got it right,Broker. Best to avoid idiots. Im done with this thread.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think what scares me more than anything is:


• People who receive welfare checks for housing, food, cell phone, etc that do not even need the welfare, becoming the majority

• People that are happy with the status quo, becoming the majority

• People who care nothing about the U.S. Constitution, what it took to get it, and what it has taken to keep it, becoming the majority

• People that are happy with the Government checks, becoming the majority

• People who do not care to work to better their lives, becoming the majority

• Conservatives and all the folks that are the exact opposite, of what I have just described above, becoming in the minority

This, above all else, scars the living hell out of me. Because we, (Conservatives, Defenders of the Constitution, Defenders of Liberty, Working folks, Good Ol' Boys, 2nd Amendment supporters, etc {You get my point}) are slowly becoming just that, the MINORITY. Because when that happens, we are going to be in a world of shit.

Think about it. It would hard as heck to convince someone who had half their house pymt provided by the government, their food bought by the government, a cell phone provided by the government, the list goes on and on. All of which don't have to work and all they have to do is walk to the mailbox to collect their check, . But you get my point.

I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment will be one of the last to go. We are loosing our 1rst Amendment bit by bit every day. NDAA, well you know what parts of the Constitution that breaks.

I know some folks are afraid to say this for fear of persecution, but I am preparing for the worst and hoping/praying for the best. For those of you that are Christians, we know what the Bible tells us. We, us and this world that we know now, are not getting out of this. So the Shit will hit the fan at some point. Just how much of that we are going to see/go through? Don't know. I know were I'll be when it is done.

Off Topic:

I am not trying to push my religion onto folks, I am just stating what "I believe in."

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My thoughts exactly problem there in is how to get rid of all the handouts. Seems as if we are the minority. How do you get generations that haven't worked a day in their life to all of a sudden get off their ass and work? I don't know what to do other than vote.

Taking from the working class and giving to the non working class is essentially what it is. And then there are the people who don't want to work that think they deserve something because someone else has more than them. It's absolute insanity. I was taught you make your own way through life and am a firm believer of it.

Policy should be if you don't pay taxes you can't vote..JMO
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a consequence of overpopulation, and will never be resolved until that overpopulation ceases. Growing population and growing communication are an environmental challenge that humanity does not have the time in which to evolve into an effective adaptation. It will be our undoing.</div></div>

That's a lot of hand-wringing about the environment for someone who recently expressed the following opinion:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Folks who campaign to save the planet are arrogant fools.</div></div>

... and then went on to imply that conservationists should be executed.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3617267#Post3617267

Anyways, as to the topic at hand - executive orders are particularly scary things, as fans of certain imported black rifles should understand well by now.
 
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As has become usual around here, the Trolls and their fan boys have polluted the topic to the point where further participation could only be futile.

I'm just SO tired of these personality slams. I reserve the right the be inconsistent and self-contradictory. So shoot me.

The blood's in the water, the feeding frenzy is in full swing, and there isn't even a <span style="font-style: italic">real</span> shark anywhere in sight.

Outta here.

Be nice children, and remember...; never feed a Troll.

Greg
 
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Name calling doesn't change the fact that you can't defend your position Greg.

Have the courage to simply admit you were incorrect in your beliefs, it won't be the last time you're wrong about something.

A guy of your age shouldn't have to be taught this simple truth.

I'm far from perfect and continue to make mistakes, but am more than willing to admit my fault when shown to be wrong.

Why you've decided to jump ugly with me for simply pointing out the facts of matter is a question only you can answer.
 
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OK, have it your way, "Guy Montag". You've got the bone in your teeth and nobody's going to get the last word but you. Here, its yours.

Be nice children, and remember, never feed a Troll.
 
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Once too often to this well.

The tolersance of trolls and their BS here has reached deep down into me and grabbed my attention bigtime.

Maybe this forum wants to tolerate this troll crap, I don't.

My attitude toward The 'Hide has changed as of today.

You want your trolls here?

Fine. Screw them and anyone who like having them here.

Let them answer the questions and make the effort to help new guys here.

Anyone can be a troll here. It's OK. Maybe even me too.

I'm just here for me, now.

You want a friend, get yourself a dog.

Greg
 
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Hold on a second. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make you a troll. I understand insults are unnecessary, and personally I believe no one should say anything on the Internet they truly wouldn't say directly to the other's face. We all know that rule isn't always followed.

But...

Let's not destroy the environment of discussion and the variety of topics that come up here in the name of hurt feelings. This site has people with really rich experiences and variety of jobs/backgrounds/opinions. That makes for very interesting and often insightful discussion on current world events that you don't really get anywhere else.

Greg, hope you will reconsider. I usually agree with you, and when I don't I still appreciate the thought you put into your positions.

Guy, I think you are correct in this thread but your delivery leaves a lot to be desired.

This site is full of people with type a personalities that care about current events and the future of the country. I'd hate to lose the discussion here because we can't agree to disagree maturely. Given what most people here have done in their lives, mustering some thick skin for the occasional rudeness but also some mutual respect as the rule shouldn't be that hard.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hold on a second. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make you a troll. I understand insults are unnecessary, and personally I believe no one should say anything on the Internet they truly wouldn't say directly to the other's face. We all know that rule isn't always followed.

But...

Let's not destroy the environment of discussion and the variety of topics that come up here in the name of hurt feelings. This site has people with really rich experiences and variety of jobs/backgrounds/opinions. That makes for very interesting and often insightful discussion on current world events that you don't really get anywhere else.

Greg, hope you will reconsider. I usually agree with you, and when I don't I still appreciate the thought you put into your positions.

Guy, I think you are correct in this thread but your delivery leaves a lot to be desired.

This site is full of people with type a personalities that care about current events and the future of the country. I'd hate to lose the discussion here because we can't agree to disagree maturely. Given what most people here have done in their lives, mustering some thick skin for the occasional rudeness but also some mutual respect as the rule shouldn't be that hard. </div></div>

Spot on, KY (pun intended), except that I DONT agree with Guy.. But for once we agree on somethig.
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I'm an asshole and admit it freely...
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I think the guy's an A-Hole, nobody seems to think that's a problem around here, and I'm just doing what I can to make my disagreement known, no kiddin'.

It's all well and good to counsel my cultivating a thick skin, but I've been dong that for over a decade here, and I still seem to keep catching a regular ration of crap from witty jokers who think their shite don't stink.

You try 10-12 years of turning the other cheek, being the symbol of cooperation, a lotta good years of putting up with that, and see how agreeable you are about goin' with the flow and being a cool dude.

No, enough. I'm on the rag right now, and I'll be damned if I feel like changing any of that anytime soon. I put a lot of time and effort into helping folks on this site, and I don't rate having to take this crap day in day out. I'm done doing that with a smnile.

You figure out how you can reconcile allowing such shite to happen here. That is not, and will never again be my oproblem.

Meanwhile, I'm not Mister Nice Guy today, tomorrow, or anyday soon. This time, the anger's gone all the way down deep to the core. I'm not the Greg you knew, and I'm pretty sure I never will be again.

You can thank your beloved trolls for that.

I'm outta here, got some actual friends who want me to go shooting with them...

Don't expect any reports from me.

Greg
 
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Going back to handouts for a minute...it's gross how much the system gets abused. My brother has MD and requires around the clock care, usually provided by a caregiver. One of the individuals is married to a deadbeat, has 4 kids and the only income in the house. He's(the husband) on welfare, food stamps, cash assistance, etc, and she often misses work because they share one vehicle that barely works.

All that said, both her, her husband, and all 4 kids each have their own tv, xbox, ps3, wii, nintendo ds, and all the games and subscriptions to match PLUS all the weed and drugs they can handle....all(proudly) paid for with our tax dollars. She has zero shame about abusing the system and it makes me sick.

Unemployment got extended another 36 weeks, benefits are easier than ever to obtain and maintain, offer more than ever and clearly don't get tracked.

We lost a family business to the economy and had to temporarily(operative word) get on government assistance until everyone got back on their feet. Once they did, the benefits were surrendered and everyone is back on the fast track. That's what the system is designed for...temporary relief during hard times, not a means or source of sustainable income.

For each family that NEEDS the assistance, there's five or six that are leeching off the government titty and if they won't crack down on it, it has to go away or undergo some serious reform. Unfortunately, people will always take the easy way out and the amount and ease of assistance available is breeding a culture of takers and abusers, merely looking to get by with the bare minimum; no drive to get better, no determination and now 30% of the population rely on the other 70% to keep our heads above water and push forward.

If you owned a business that only ran at 70% efficiency, well you probably wouldn't own a business anymore. Governments like when the people NEED them, when they count on them for sustenance and the sheeple are content to let it be that way. We(as a country) can't rally around a single cause cuz we're just too big. Part of it goes back to the population issue but the other part is the USofA is just a huge land mass and a melting pot of beliefs, ideals and morals. Communication, even via the internet, becomes an issue and there's also a disconnect. Take some folks from the Bible belt, some vegans from LA, a New York taxi driver and a Florida insurance salesman, put em in a room and find 1 issue they all agree on. This country was built on freedom and immigration but when people allow personal quarrels, beliefs, etc to get in the way of overall productivity, everyone butts heads and nothing gets accomplished.

Imagine where we would be if 311,000,000 people could put aside their petty differences and just work toward the greater good...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the guy's an A-Hole, nobody seems to think that's a problem around here, and I'm just doing what I can to make my disagreement known, no kiddin'.

It's all well and good to counsel my cultivating a thick skin, but I've been dong that for over a decade here, and I still seem to keep catching a regular ration of crap from witty jokers who think their shite don't stink.

You try 10-12 years of turning the other cheek, being the symbol of cooperation, a lotta good years of putting up with that, and see how agreeable you are about goin' with the flow and being a cool dude.

No, enough. I'm on the rag right now, and I'll be damned if I feel like changing any of that anytime soon. I put a lot of time and effort into helping folks on this site, and I don't rate having to take this crap day in day out. I'm done doing that with a smnile.

You figure out how you can reconcile allowing such shite to happen here. That is not, and will never again be my oproblem.

Meanwhile, I'm not Mister Nice Guy today, tomorrow, or anyday soon. This time, the anger's gone all the way down deep to the core. I'm not the Greg you knew, and I'm pretty sure I never will be again.

You can thank your beloved trolls for that.

I'm outta here, got some actual friends who want me to go shooting with them...

Don't expect any reports from me.

Greg </div></div>

Greg, I understand where you're coming from. I haven't been here nearly as long as you have but the troll population has been on the high side lately. I urge you not to punish the members here who value your input and knowledge and appreciate your willingness to share it. I've learned to click the ignore button and not let trolls ruin my time here. If the best thing they have goin is a tough guy internet persona, then I feel sorry for them and take solace in the fact that I have a life and I'm not desperate for approval from my faceless peers.

Take a step back, think about the positives and negatives about this place and I think you'll see that the benefits make it worthwhile; just be a little more judicious about what discussions you get involved in and like you said, don't feed the trolls. I hope to continue seeing you around these parts. It would be a shame if some guy with a god complex chased a valuable member from the board.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the guy's an A-Hole, nobody seems to think that's a problem around here, and I'm just doing what I can to make my disagreement known, no kiddin'.

It's all well and good to counsel my cultivating a thick skin, but I've been dong that for over a decade here, and I still seem to keep catching a regular ration of crap from witty jokers who think their shite don't stink.

You try 10-12 years of turning the other cheek, being the symbol of cooperation, a lotta good years of putting up with that, and see how agreeable you are about goin' with the flow and being a cool dude.

No, enough. I'm on the rag right now, and I'll be damned if I feel like changing any of that anytime soon. I put a lot of time and effort into helping folks on this site, and I don't rate having to take this crap day in day out. I'm done doing that with a smnile.

You figure out how you can reconcile allowing such shite to happen here. That is not, and will never again be my oproblem.

Meanwhile, I'm not Mister Nice Guy today, tomorrow, or anyday soon. This time, the anger's gone all the way down deep to the core. I'm not the Greg you knew, and I'm pretty sure I never will be again.

You can thank your beloved trolls for that.

I'm outta here, got some actual friends who want me to go shooting with them...

Don't expect any reports from me.

Greg</div></div>

Fair enough, everyone has their limit and I don't blame you.
 
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TBJ;

Sorry, but no.

If me making accomodations was the answer, I've done it lots, and yet here we still are.

I've been making those accomodations for over a decade. I did my share of that and more. I used the ignore option, looked on the bright side, and gave it consideration after consideration after consideration. No more.

No longer my turn, hasn't been for a long time.

If I want to help folks, I will, and I have. If I don't, I won't, and I'm not. That's <span style="font-style: italic">my</span> choice alone, and I'm not gonna give a mild smile and take any flack for it if somebody thinks that's unbecoming.

Run from a troll? Yeah, right!

I'll be here, but the rest; don't hold your breath.

You, not I, have the troll problem. Once I was unhappy with the trolls. It's not the trolls who have my attention now, it's those who suffer them to remain here.

If changes get made, I won't be making them. I'm done changing my ways because somebody else is the asshole. Read that asshole's posting record and then tell me I have to suck up and make nice-nice.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My thoughts exactly problem there in is how to get rid of all the handouts. Seems as if we are the minority. How do you get generations that haven't worked a day in their life to all of a sudden get off their ass and work? I don't know what to do other than vote.

Taking from the working class and giving to the non working class is essentially what it is. And then there are the people who don't want to work that think they deserve something because someone else has more than them. It's absolute insanity. I was taught you make your own way through life and am a firm believer of it.

Policy should be if you don't pay taxes you can't vote..JMO </div></div>

I've heard this kind of talk probably forever but I rarely hear these same people talk about the wealthy who do the same thing. Wonder why that is? MY guess is that it's silver spooner talk or some serious brain washing went down while someone was growing up. There probably isn't a American corporation in American that doesn't leach off the government. That's what subsidies and tax breaks are all about, corporations leaching off the government. Then you can get into the nasty stuff... off shore accounts, cooking the books, contributing to a champagne (campaign) fund helps these bozo's quite a bit. Boeing corporation is suing their competitors right now over billions in subsidies (free taxpayer money the government gives businesses). Welfare for the poor dumb bastards that don't want to work is just a drop in the bucket to the money wasted on corporations.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guy, I think you are correct in this thread but your delivery leaves a lot to be desired. </div></div>

Fair enough KYpatriot, my delivery was harsh, but it was in response to insults sent my way.

If you review the posts you'll see Greg jumped ugly with me first.

I was polite and direct with Greg with my initial reply, the same can not be said of him and his sycophants.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was polite and direct with Greg with my initial reply, the same can not be said of him and his <span style="font-weight: bold">sycophants. </span> </div></div>

If you're going to try and use Latin at least learn the actual meaning. Neither Greg or myself are attempting to flatter each other or anyone else, nor are we submissive or servants to others.