i have been shooting remington golden bullets for couple weeks now with good results,today i went out with a new loose brick and it shot like shit low charges about every other shot, now i have about 5 boxes one is the older big box of 550 and the others are the newer box of 250, the 550 is the one im having the problem with,but i havent tried the 250 box cause im kinda mad about the performance of the ammo today so later today i will try the 250, my question is,is there any better cheap bulk ammo i can use for hunting/plinking
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Re: bulk 22 ammo
Bulk ammo ends up costing about 4 cents plus per round.
At that price quality control is never going to be very good.
Accuracy with bulk will range from horrible to barely adequate.
Effective accuracy range is about 15 yards. Fine for plinking
or popping rodents at close range. Increase your cost up,
1 cent per round, and start using CCI Standard Velocity.
Yes, at the end of the morning after going through 500 rounds,
you will have spent 5 bucks more, but accuracy out to 50 yards is way more gooder.
Bulk ammo ends up costing about 4 cents plus per round.
At that price quality control is never going to be very good.
Accuracy with bulk will range from horrible to barely adequate.
Effective accuracy range is about 15 yards. Fine for plinking
or popping rodents at close range. Increase your cost up,
1 cent per round, and start using CCI Standard Velocity.
Yes, at the end of the morning after going through 500 rounds,
you will have spent 5 bucks more, but accuracy out to 50 yards is way more gooder.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
I guess it depends on the rifle.
Some rifles like one brand/type of 22lr ammo over another.
I've had good luck with the CCI SV.
I do use bulk Federal and Blazers in my single six and semi-auto pistols,
but that's because I'm a horrible shot with a handgun. Why waste
good money on ammo that's going to be sprayed all over creation anyhow?
I guess it depends on the rifle.
Some rifles like one brand/type of 22lr ammo over another.
I've had good luck with the CCI SV.
I do use bulk Federal and Blazers in my single six and semi-auto pistols,
but that's because I'm a horrible shot with a handgun. Why waste
good money on ammo that's going to be sprayed all over creation anyhow?
Re: bulk 22 ammo
try some premium ammo lapua/eley etc to see what kind of results you can get maybe its just your rifle
try some premium ammo lapua/eley etc to see what kind of results you can get maybe its just your rifle
Re: bulk 22 ammo
One thing I have noticed with my Marlin rifles is that my vintage 80DL's seem to like the bulk stuff, as well as the better stuff.
My newer (no longer made 4-5 year old 925) is touch and go with all ammo I feed it. Sometimes the cheap stuff performs great - other times it just plain stinks. Same holds true with the more expensive stuff I feed this 925.
Don't know what the cause really is? My Marlin 795 performs great with bulk and better ammo and it's a true Marlin as is the 925 and neither are Remlins...
I do much prefer my Savages over today's Marlin line. They seem to maintain a consistancy not found in todays Marlins.
However, with this said, I do feel the vintage Marlins are best at maintaining accuracy and ammo use consistancy over our more modern made Marlins for some reason(s)...
One thing I have noticed with my Marlin rifles is that my vintage 80DL's seem to like the bulk stuff, as well as the better stuff.
My newer (no longer made 4-5 year old 925) is touch and go with all ammo I feed it. Sometimes the cheap stuff performs great - other times it just plain stinks. Same holds true with the more expensive stuff I feed this 925.
Don't know what the cause really is? My Marlin 795 performs great with bulk and better ammo and it's a true Marlin as is the 925 and neither are Remlins...
I do much prefer my Savages over today's Marlin line. They seem to maintain a consistancy not found in todays Marlins.
However, with this said, I do feel the vintage Marlins are best at maintaining accuracy and ammo use consistancy over our more modern made Marlins for some reason(s)...
Re: bulk 22 ammo
If you have to shoot cheap ammo try some Federal bulk 525 pack. Also may want to try Federal Auto Match(pssst...its not just for autos)
It most likely depends much on what gun you are feeding this ammo. I find most hunters I know, or have heard of, have no real need for "hole in hole" accuracy. You say you are hunting and plinking. What are the average groups you are getting?
I have said before and I will say again. I have seen very few 22 rifles in my life, that were incapable of satisfactory hunting accuracy at 50yds. That would include feeding them any ammo available, including the cheapest shit I could buy. Hell even the Romanian 69 in my safe is capable of hunting accuracy with any ammo I buy.
I wouldn't bother with Stingers. They are expensive and are rarely accurate as standard or plain high vel.
If all else fails weigh a few of the Golden bullets and see if you can find the light ones. I don't usually advocate such nonsense but it may well help in your case, I doubt it but its worth a try.
I will say this. I have had more problems with Golden Bullets than any other ammo. I have avoided them like the plague for many years now.
If you have to shoot cheap ammo try some Federal bulk 525 pack. Also may want to try Federal Auto Match(pssst...its not just for autos)
It most likely depends much on what gun you are feeding this ammo. I find most hunters I know, or have heard of, have no real need for "hole in hole" accuracy. You say you are hunting and plinking. What are the average groups you are getting?
I have said before and I will say again. I have seen very few 22 rifles in my life, that were incapable of satisfactory hunting accuracy at 50yds. That would include feeding them any ammo available, including the cheapest shit I could buy. Hell even the Romanian 69 in my safe is capable of hunting accuracy with any ammo I buy.
I wouldn't bother with Stingers. They are expensive and are rarely accurate as standard or plain high vel.
If all else fails weigh a few of the Golden bullets and see if you can find the light ones. I don't usually advocate such nonsense but it may well help in your case, I doubt it but its worth a try.
I will say this. I have had more problems with Golden Bullets than any other ammo. I have avoided them like the plague for many years now.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
im shooting hole in hole at 25yds with the golden bullets all the other ammo i have tried doesnt come close to this at 25yds i tried some cci mini mags today they even shot worse than the remingtons so i have come to a conclusion that im just going to use the remingtons and shoot through the bad ones
im shooting hole in hole at 25yds with the golden bullets all the other ammo i have tried doesnt come close to this at 25yds i tried some cci mini mags today they even shot worse than the remingtons so i have come to a conclusion that im just going to use the remingtons and shoot through the bad ones
Re: bulk 22 ammo
also i noticed after shooting ill run a boresnake through and shoot again and it takes 1-2 shots to get back on target and i never noticed this before,so ill try some different ammo at 50yds to see what is more accurate at that range between them and the golden bullets
also i noticed after shooting ill run a boresnake through and shoot again and it takes 1-2 shots to get back on target and i never noticed this before,so ill try some different ammo at 50yds to see what is more accurate at that range between them and the golden bullets
Re: bulk 22 ammo
Try Fed Automatch or Fed 510's.
Good luck
Try Fed Automatch or Fed 510's.
Good luck
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my question is,is there any better cheap bulk ammo i can use for hunting/plinking </div></div>
I have never found anything to shoot poorer than Remingtons bulk ammo. I am amazed that you found it to out shoot CCI std. It hasn't seemed to matter what rifle or pistol that I have fed Remington, they have always been the worst whereas the CCI have always been near the top in accuracy and I think are the top for accuracy/price. As for the cheap bulk hi velocity stuff that shoot the best, I have found Winchester Wildcats to be, in my experience, generally the best.
Here is a link to the giant .22lr ammo test that is generally considered to be most authoritative. .22 ammo test
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my question is,is there any better cheap bulk ammo i can use for hunting/plinking </div></div>
I have never found anything to shoot poorer than Remingtons bulk ammo. I am amazed that you found it to out shoot CCI std. It hasn't seemed to matter what rifle or pistol that I have fed Remington, they have always been the worst whereas the CCI have always been near the top in accuracy and I think are the top for accuracy/price. As for the cheap bulk hi velocity stuff that shoot the best, I have found Winchester Wildcats to be, in my experience, generally the best.
Here is a link to the giant .22lr ammo test that is generally considered to be most authoritative. .22 ammo test
Re: bulk 22 ammo
The biggest thing to remember is 22LR all will like different ammo. Some like the high dollar stuff and some like the bulk cheap stuff.
I'm lucky and my Savage loves the bulk Fed. This was shot at 300 yards. Top hit was me over spinning the turret.
The biggest thing to remember is 22LR all will like different ammo. Some like the high dollar stuff and some like the bulk cheap stuff.
I'm lucky and my Savage loves the bulk Fed. This was shot at 300 yards. Top hit was me over spinning the turret.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
I clean my bolt and breech after every trip to the range, and clean my barrel about every 200 to 300 rounds - depending on when accuracy drops off and how dirty of ammo I'm using.
When I say I clean my barrel I'm just running a bore-snake. I do give all my rifles a good cleaning December through February just to be prepared for the following year's shooting. I don't like to store a dirty rifle for a long period of time. That's just me.
I clean my bolt and breech after every trip to the range, and clean my barrel about every 200 to 300 rounds - depending on when accuracy drops off and how dirty of ammo I'm using.
When I say I clean my barrel I'm just running a bore-snake. I do give all my rifles a good cleaning December through February just to be prepared for the following year's shooting. I don't like to store a dirty rifle for a long period of time. That's just me.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Increase your cost up,
1 cent per round, and start using CCI Standard Velocity.
Yes, at the end of the morning after going through 500 rounds,
you will have spent 5 bucks more, but accuracy out to 50 yards is way more gooder. </div></div>
Excellent point and true to my experience. Unfortunately the word is out on CCI SV and the price has gone up about 20% in a year. Luckily, I still have lots from when I could get it at Dick's for $22.99/brick (w/coupon).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Increase your cost up,
1 cent per round, and start using CCI Standard Velocity.
Yes, at the end of the morning after going through 500 rounds,
you will have spent 5 bucks more, but accuracy out to 50 yards is way more gooder.
Excellent point and true to my experience. Unfortunately the word is out on CCI SV and the price has gone up about 20% in a year. Luckily, I still have lots from when I could get it at Dick's for $22.99/brick (w/coupon).
Re: bulk 22 ammo
I have shot both federal 525 packs and remington golden bullets in my magnum research lite. the golden bullets shot considerably better for me. haven't tried anything else.
I have shot both federal 525 packs and remington golden bullets in my magnum research lite. the golden bullets shot considerably better for me. haven't tried anything else.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
just got back from the range tried out the golden bullets,winchester xpert hv,cci mini mags and cci blazers,after a couple of fouling shots the golden bullets shot the same about hole in hole at 25yds with a couple of low chargers opening up the group a little bit,the winchesters shot a little better than that,the cci mini mags shot about the same as the remingtons throwing a couple off making the group about the size of a nickle,then i tried the blazers wow 7shots in a one hole i could put a dime over,now i didnt clean the barrel at all between ammo testing so later tonight ill go back out and see if i could duplicate the same with the blazers if so then im going with them from now on,my only question is i have never used solids for hunting will the get the job done on squirrels and raccoons, i know shot placement is key,i also noticed there is a waxy film on the cci blazers is that supposed to be there and how often should i clean my barrel with the wax in there
just got back from the range tried out the golden bullets,winchester xpert hv,cci mini mags and cci blazers,after a couple of fouling shots the golden bullets shot the same about hole in hole at 25yds with a couple of low chargers opening up the group a little bit,the winchesters shot a little better than that,the cci mini mags shot about the same as the remingtons throwing a couple off making the group about the size of a nickle,then i tried the blazers wow 7shots in a one hole i could put a dime over,now i didnt clean the barrel at all between ammo testing so later tonight ill go back out and see if i could duplicate the same with the blazers if so then im going with them from now on,my only question is i have never used solids for hunting will the get the job done on squirrels and raccoons, i know shot placement is key,i also noticed there is a waxy film on the cci blazers is that supposed to be there and how often should i clean my barrel with the wax in there
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how often should i clean my barrel with the wax in there?</div></div>
Using a bolt action rifle:
At the end of a mornings shooting, using waxed ammo,
I pull 2 dry patches through on a weedeater string.
First patch catches the heavy stuff, second to catch the fines.
Only time I do a serious cleaning, is when accuracy changes.
As long as it's shooting straight, leave it alone.
I believe in "benign neglect."
A semi-auto gets seriously cleaned when the breech and action show buildup.
You can tell when you've reached that point...you get FTE and FTF.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how often should i clean my barrel with the wax in there?</div></div>
Using a bolt action rifle:
At the end of a mornings shooting, using waxed ammo,
I pull 2 dry patches through on a weedeater string.
First patch catches the heavy stuff, second to catch the fines.
Only time I do a serious cleaning, is when accuracy changes.
As long as it's shooting straight, leave it alone.
I believe in "benign neglect."
A semi-auto gets seriously cleaned when the breech and action show buildup.
You can tell when you've reached that point...you get FTE and FTF.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
ok im getting angry,went out today to shoot some more and the blazers wouldn't even hit where i was aiming after about 5 shots they started to come back into the group i was shooting the day before has anyone had this problem with their rimfire im at my end here i got about 70 dollars worth of ammo in the last week and the all shot good then when i go the next day to shoot they dont hit where im aiming till 2-3 shots later i cleaned my barrel yesterday before i did all the testing and havent cleaned it since whats the deal
ok im getting angry,went out today to shoot some more and the blazers wouldn't even hit where i was aiming after about 5 shots they started to come back into the group i was shooting the day before has anyone had this problem with their rimfire im at my end here i got about 70 dollars worth of ammo in the last week and the all shot good then when i go the next day to shoot they dont hit where im aiming till 2-3 shots later i cleaned my barrel yesterday before i did all the testing and havent cleaned it since whats the deal
Re: bulk 22 ammo
Deviation is from clean bore vs fouled bore change. Document the shift and move on. This is why some advocate shooting a fouled barrel and only cleaning when accuracy drops off. What you need to do is document where your cold, clean bore impacts are and where your fouled bore impacts are. Everytime you clean your barrel your first shot or two will likely follow a different trajectory than a bore that has already been 'seasoned'. Hope this helps.
Deviation is from clean bore vs fouled bore change. Document the shift and move on. This is why some advocate shooting a fouled barrel and only cleaning when accuracy drops off. What you need to do is document where your cold, clean bore impacts are and where your fouled bore impacts are. Everytime you clean your barrel your first shot or two will likely follow a different trajectory than a bore that has already been 'seasoned'. Hope this helps.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
but what if they barrel was already dirty from the day before would i still get the same results 2-3 before they hit where i want them,i shot my rifle yesterday with the blazers all i cleaned was the chamber and bolt
but what if they barrel was already dirty from the day before would i still get the same results 2-3 before they hit where i want them,i shot my rifle yesterday with the blazers all i cleaned was the chamber and bolt
Re: bulk 22 ammo
Took a look at a Marlin XTVR today, typical inexpensive production rimfire.
Synthetic stock, not a particularly snug fit between the action and stock.
Too much flex when applying lateral stress to the forestock.
Visible shift in receiver position when pressure is applied to the the side of the barrel.
Your problem is probably not the ammunition, but rather the inherent flex, loose fit
of the cheap injection molded stock. Had the same problem with the Savage 64 FSS.
If your action/barrel shifts alignment, relative to the stock,
each time you squeeze the trigger, you won't get repeatable accuracy.
Took a look at a Marlin XTVR today, typical inexpensive production rimfire.
Synthetic stock, not a particularly snug fit between the action and stock.
Too much flex when applying lateral stress to the forestock.
Visible shift in receiver position when pressure is applied to the the side of the barrel.
Your problem is probably not the ammunition, but rather the inherent flex, loose fit
of the cheap injection molded stock. Had the same problem with the Savage 64 FSS.
If your action/barrel shifts alignment, relative to the stock,
each time you squeeze the trigger, you won't get repeatable accuracy.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
It's a 200 dollar rifle, to show a profit it has a cheap stock.
Need to stiffen the stock. Don't know if that's possible
when working with an injection molded "tupperware" stock.
Need input from someone who has managed to successfully reinforce one.
The other option is to carve your own stock to fit. Time consuming, but an inexpensive option.
I went the mechanical route and inletted some tubular box aluminum.
Stuck a stock on it. Looks ridiculous but it's fun to shoot...
You type faster than I do...make sure the action is solid to the stock.
2 thousandths play at the action creates 3/4 inch error at 50 yards.
It's a 200 dollar rifle, to show a profit it has a cheap stock.
Need to stiffen the stock. Don't know if that's possible
when working with an injection molded "tupperware" stock.
Need input from someone who has managed to successfully reinforce one.
The other option is to carve your own stock to fit. Time consuming, but an inexpensive option.
I went the mechanical route and inletted some tubular box aluminum.
Stuck a stock on it. Looks ridiculous but it's fun to shoot...
You type faster than I do...make sure the action is solid to the stock.
2 thousandths play at the action creates 3/4 inch error at 50 yards.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The other option is to carve your own stock to fit. Time consuming, but an inexpensive option.</div></div>
This is the route I am taking with my xt-22vr. It suffered from a few of the same problems you mentioned when fitted to the factory stock. One day it would shoot lights out, the next it would shoot like crap using ammo from the same box. I was able to shoot several 50 yard groups in the 3\8" neighborhood, but not every time I shot it. CCI Standard Velocity and CCI Green Tag both gave these type of results on several occasions.
I tried eliminating variables one at a time until I finally came to the conclusion it must be either the crappy stock or the barrel causing the inconsistencies. I am about 2\3 finished with the stock so, with any luck, I should have some results in the next few weeks.
If that doesn't fix it then the barrel would have to be the problem, in my mind anyway.
Of course, there is one more possibility... It could be me causing the crappy groups.
Hell, who am I kidding? It must be the rifle!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The other option is to carve your own stock to fit. Time consuming, but an inexpensive option.</div></div>
This is the route I am taking with my xt-22vr. It suffered from a few of the same problems you mentioned when fitted to the factory stock. One day it would shoot lights out, the next it would shoot like crap using ammo from the same box. I was able to shoot several 50 yard groups in the 3\8" neighborhood, but not every time I shot it. CCI Standard Velocity and CCI Green Tag both gave these type of results on several occasions.
I tried eliminating variables one at a time until I finally came to the conclusion it must be either the crappy stock or the barrel causing the inconsistencies. I am about 2\3 finished with the stock so, with any luck, I should have some results in the next few weeks.
If that doesn't fix it then the barrel would have to be the problem, in my mind anyway.
Of course, there is one more possibility... It could be me causing the crappy groups.
Hell, who am I kidding? It must be the rifle!
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> it must be either the crappy stock or the barrel causing the inconsistencies</div></div>
Process of elimination worked for me also.
Silliest moment was when I bolted my shop vise to a chunk of 2x12
dragged it out to the range and "C" clamped it to the shooting bench.
Removed the barrel and action from the stock and clamped the first
6 inches of the barrel, forward of the receiver, in the leather lined jaws of the vise.
Then used the base clamp screws of the vise to aim at a target at 50 yards.
Round after round impacted the target inside of a 3/4 inch circle
with most going through a central 1/2 inch diameter hole.
Wasn't the barrel or action, wasn't the ammo, it was the loose fitting
injection molded flexible stock, that was causing me most of the problems.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> it must be either the crappy stock or the barrel causing the inconsistencies</div></div>
Process of elimination worked for me also.
Silliest moment was when I bolted my shop vise to a chunk of 2x12
dragged it out to the range and "C" clamped it to the shooting bench.
Removed the barrel and action from the stock and clamped the first
6 inches of the barrel, forward of the receiver, in the leather lined jaws of the vise.
Then used the base clamp screws of the vise to aim at a target at 50 yards.
Round after round impacted the target inside of a 3/4 inch circle
with most going through a central 1/2 inch diameter hole.
Wasn't the barrel or action, wasn't the ammo, it was the loose fitting
injection molded flexible stock, that was causing me most of the problems.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
doesn't boyds make a tacticool stock for the marlin, talked to a buddy of mine at work, he wins almost all the rimfire shoots we have at the local gun club about my problem,he told me to take my first coldbore shot adjust my scope for that shot then let the barrel settle for a bit then take another shot, now i dont know if he is bs me or not have any of u guys done that, i think i should listen to him since he has a whole room full of first place trophys
doesn't boyds make a tacticool stock for the marlin, talked to a buddy of mine at work, he wins almost all the rimfire shoots we have at the local gun club about my problem,he told me to take my first coldbore shot adjust my scope for that shot then let the barrel settle for a bit then take another shot, now i dont know if he is bs me or not have any of u guys done that, i think i should listen to him since he has a whole room full of first place trophys
Re: bulk 22 ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well i contacted boyds their tacticool stock will fit my marlin so i might order it and see how it looks if anything it will be more solid since it is a wood stock</div></div>
Especially if you bed the action.
This was my original intention also... until I looked at a Savage with the Tacticool stock at Academy Sports. It was nothing like I expected. That's why I'm making my own now.
Something else to consider... Were you paying attention to the wind? It can cause unbelievable amounts of frustration with .22's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well i contacted boyds their tacticool stock will fit my marlin so i might order it and see how it looks if anything it will be more solid since it is a wood stock</div></div>
Especially if you bed the action.
This was my original intention also... until I looked at a Savage with the Tacticool stock at Academy Sports. It was nothing like I expected. That's why I'm making my own now.
Something else to consider... Were you paying attention to the wind? It can cause unbelievable amounts of frustration with .22's.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
Performance of bulk ammo really just depends on your firearm. I have a Walther P22 pistol that loves the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs and will not shoot the federal 550 bulk very reliably. Most of my other .22 firearms shoot the federal bulk packs fine.
On my rifles, I generally use CCI subs, CCI std velocity, and Wolf Match. These are not considered cheap bulk ammo, but shoot accurately in my rifles and work great with the suppressor.
Performance of bulk ammo really just depends on your firearm. I have a Walther P22 pistol that loves the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs and will not shoot the federal 550 bulk very reliably. Most of my other .22 firearms shoot the federal bulk packs fine.
On my rifles, I generally use CCI subs, CCI std velocity, and Wolf Match. These are not considered cheap bulk ammo, but shoot accurately in my rifles and work great with the suppressor.
Re: bulk 22 ammo
I've had great luck recently with Blazer bulk. I've ran it through everything from my CZ 452 Varmint to my M&P 15-22 to my custom 10/22 with Kidd barrel and it shoots great. Heck, even my old 541x seems to like it.
Chris
I've had great luck recently with Blazer bulk. I've ran it through everything from my CZ 452 Varmint to my M&P 15-22 to my custom 10/22 with Kidd barrel and it shoots great. Heck, even my old 541x seems to like it.
Chris
Re: bulk 22 ammo
Federal Automatch is the best bulk Ive tested in win 67,69,75,490 and 2 52 C's . Wolf MT is most accurate mid price ammo, Fed UM1 from 90's, Eley black box and Lapua is best high dollar stuff.
Federal Automatch is the best bulk Ive tested in win 67,69,75,490 and 2 52 C's . Wolf MT is most accurate mid price ammo, Fed UM1 from 90's, Eley black box and Lapua is best high dollar stuff.
