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Keeping rust out of a safe...

SilentStalkr

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  • Oct 8, 2012
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    I will be getting a safe very soon I hope. So, I have been reading up a lot on them and am finally figuring out what I am most likely going to get. In any case, during my reading I have read that in some cases even people running Goldenrods in their safes are still getting rust. The reason this is a big deal to me is because for some reason this room seems to get really humid and it is right on the concrete slab. The room does have its own separate AC unit but it does not run all of the time nor is it hooked up to a thermostat since it is only for this one room. So, if a Goldenrod will not keep the humidity out then what do you guys suggest? I suppose I could put it on the second floor of my house but that is a lot of weight and I assume I would need to reinforce the floor. There is also no way I will be able to somewhat hide it upstairs like I can in my bonus room. So, downstairs bolted to the slab would be the best option. Do you guys have any suggestions?
     
    Re: Keeping rust out of a safe...

    Either a bucket or the hanging bags of damprid will help some. I put several in the safe before my last deployment and had my wife change them every 3 months in the summer. we have very high humidity on the gulf coast. I had no rust when i returned home. Others may have better suggestions, that is what worked for me.
     
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    I run a Remington 500 rechargeable dehumidifier in my 39 gun Patriot Safe with a 2 hour fire rating. My friend has been using the same dehumidifier for over a decade, and he has it in the garage with a washer and dryer like me. You just have to recharge when it turns blue. So far it has been doing its job.

    My safe did not come with a electrical outlet to allow for a plug in dehumidifier. The dehumidifier isn't plugged in, but needs to be plugged in to recharge. I forget how many times that it can be recharged. Check out Cheaper Than Dirt.
     
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    Before you Bolt the safe to the concrete floor, go to Lowes and get one of their recycled mats. Its about 1/2" thick and solid rubber. Put that mat where you want your safe and then bolt your safe down. I did it, and dont regret it one bit!
     
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    I would think big bags of desorbent would do the trick, just swap em out monthly.
     
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    I like to double up on my protection
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    I run a goldenrod dehumidifier and a few of the desiccant canisters and it works perfectly. Just check the color of the desiccant and it'll tell you when they need put in the oven for a few hours...for me it's about once a month.

    -Tyler
     
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    i just have a dehumidifier in the room where i store my weapons!
     
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    I've never had a problem with rust in a gun safe. I have lived in CT (on the sound), CA (Bay area), and now in Houston. None of these areas are "dry." When a gun goes into the safe it gets a very light coat of oil and gets put into a silicon treated gun sock. Some may not come out of the safe for 6 mo or more with out any rust to date. Of course, my luck is good enough right now that I'll open up the safe and there will be a big pile of red dust and punky wood bits...
     
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    When you say downstairs in your bonus room, is this in a basement or basement conversion? If so, I would highly recommend NOT putting your gun safe in your bonus room.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say downstairs in your bonus room, is this in a basement or basement conversion? If so, I would highly recommend NOT putting your gun safe in your bonus room. </div></div>

    When I say bonus room, I mean a room the contractor built on the concrete slab that the house is built on. I have a split foyer. The downstairs to the left is where I have to big walk in closets, a 30'x12' room, and a good size full bathroom. Downstairs to the right is my garage or what I am calling the basement. I hope that makes sense? Why do you say not put it there? Is there a problem with putting a safe on a concrete slab?
     
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    It would be pretty tough to keep safes properly in a wetter environment than some I have had to manage.

    Here you go..an old thread.

    I am the last entry.

    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...814#Post3548814

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    Not what I would recommend.

    I have managed safes on the coast (throw a rock) for decades (lots of them). I have managed raw steel, high carbon, blued steel, wood, leather, park, etc., etc. for 40+ years.

    If you think waiting for anything, anything, that recharges by plugging it into the wall for 10+ hours is the way to go, I would say nope.

    If you think one has to pour out silica gel to get it dry, I have to say, no friggin' way.

    If you think capturing water in any kind of cup or container electrically is the way to go, I would say dangerous and impractical.

    3 hours at 275 or 2 hours at 325 is the only way to recharge a dryer. You buy large silica sealed units and get on with it. Plugging anything in the wall cannot come close to the heat or the mass of silica getl dehydrants. You need an oven, not an outlet to make this all become easy.

    Now it is true that not so long ago, you could by stainless steel 1,500 gram units, or aluminum 1,000 gram units. today we can get to here...

    http://www.silica-gel-source.com/750-Gram-Rechargeable-Silica-Gel-P26C24.aspx

    Or in paper, yes I use them, but reseal the bags differently, with these.

    http://www.silica-gel-source.com/900-Gram-Rechargeable-Silica-Gel-P24C20.aspx

    If you are new to this, run two. When the fireproofing is dried out you can run with one.

    Goldenrod....throw it out. Do not use them. Do not run electricity into your safe and especially not into any heating units. YEs I once owned them, now? Gone.

    Think of it this way, there are two kinds of safes and only two kinds of safes. Closed and open atmospheres.

    Closed atmosphere safes are air tight. You put a golden rod into those and if there is moisture it just circulates it around and around and around. A perfect rain forest. You put in your sealed silica gel canisters and your done.

    Open atmosphere safes circulate outside air into the safe. They are not air tight. Think about it. Heat the air up and....it goes out the top and sucks cold wet air into the bottom. A perfect cycle of replenishment.

    Golden rods are for clothes closets, not gun safes, not for leather, not for wood, not for metal. Get rid of it.

    One must keep track track of the numbers. That is the game. Two 750s, recharged every, what? 4 months? Done.

    Get the best hygro meter you can buy, definitely with High Low Memory. Read it believe it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Extech-445815-Humidity-Meter-Remote/dp/B000GFCN1I

    Keep leather out.
    Nothing goes in wet.
    Nothing goes in that is plugged in.
    Nothing goes in that generates heat.
    Nothing goes in that captures raw water.
    Nothing goes in that gasifies.
    Use a light quality oil (Tri-Flo, CLP, etc.)
    Rust bag those long terms that you can.
    Keep ammo powders out.

    After 6 months, things will settle down and you will be on your way.

    Good luck.

     
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    Lots of good suggestions. My only suggestion if you're getting rust inside your safe is to take a serious look at your lubricant/protectant. Once I switched to Eezox (over 20 years ago) I stopped having rust issues with my guns. During salt-spray tests, Eezox always performs very well and it also happens to be a great lubricant for semi-autos to boot!
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am still weary about putting my stuff in a safe now especially downstairs. I have had them lubed up in boxes/and or cases for quite some time and have been lucky so far. Granted they are oiled up, then rolled in the plastic they came in to, then put in their boxes in the closet or case at my parents house. Either way they have not been in a safe. So, now with all of this I am reading I am wondering if keeping them in anything is a good idea. Maybe, I should make a hidden wall somewhere and leave them out or something. I have no idea. That would probably be a lot cheaper. So, even lighting that plugs in for the safe is a bad idea?
     
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    Get the meter. Read the meter. Trust the meter. On to other concerns. Good luck.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SilentStalkr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say downstairs in your bonus room, is this in a basement or basement conversion? If so, I would highly recommend NOT putting your gun safe in your bonus room. </div></div>

    When I say bonus room, I mean a room the contractor built on the concrete slab that the house is built on. I have a split foyer. The downstairs to the left is where I have to big walk in closets, a 30'x12' room, and a good size full bathroom. Downstairs to the right is my garage or what I am calling the basement. I hope that makes sense? Why do you say not put it there? Is there a problem with putting a safe on a concrete slab? </div></div>

    The problem is less with putting it on concrete than it is with putting it below ground level. Basements are notoriously damp, as ground moisture seeps through the walls (concrete is porous and can let ground water through- albeit slowly). And, as you pump air into one, the walls tend to sweat as the ground is an amazing heat sink to keep the walls cool.

    In general rust is worst where there is a discrepancy between the temperature of the item and the temperature of the environment. For example, if you take a cold gun and put it into a warm room the water vapor will condense on the barrel- causing rust if left there. So long as the temperatures in the room are not changing rapidly, or drastically, you really should not have a problem. During the winter I let a gun warm up to the temperature of the room before I put it away. That way I can make sure it is dry when it goes into the safe.

    This thread has inspired me to pull all of the guns out of my safe and give them an once over...
     
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    Well, the good news is that it is only surrounded by ground on 2 sides. Where I will be storing the safe is almost smack dab in the middle of the basement. This area does have its on ac/heating unit but it does not have a thermostat wired to it. So, for the most part it stays cold in the winter and warm in the summer. That is my biggest concern since it is really not a controlled environment or at least not like the upstairs is if that makes any sense. Now I am starting to wonder if I should get a smaller unit and keep it upstairs in a closet vs. downstairs. Its going to be awfully hard to swing that into the closet of my office though as it is the smallest closet in the house and I would assume that I would need to reinforce the floor. Hmmmm...I do not know why I am so worried about it as most people would just buy one, stick them in there, and go. I guess because I have more money wrapped up in these things than I could ever afford to replace unless I get one smoking job somewhere that pays like 4 times what I make now.
     
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    Simple solution....put the safe in the normal living areas of your house. That's where they are supposed to be. I've had a 40 gun safe in the spare bedroom for over 20yrs. Never used any type of dehumidifier and have never had any rust issues. Who wants to oil and plastic wrap every rifle everytime you get done using it? That's crazy. I use my guns, alot. That would be a huge PITA to deal with. I also keep alot of other things in my safe besides guns and I don't want to go to the shop or garage everytime I need something from the safe.
     
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    To add to trevor300wm, houses built after ~1980 or so should have reinforced floors. That is a question I asked the builder of our house as we have a game room upstairs that I want to put a pool table into. If you are really concerned, the person to ask is your builder or contractor.
     
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    Eezox gun treatment, Silicon treated storage bags, and Dehumidifier!