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Did someone say AICSR with Pics/Range Report

Steveoknievo

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Okay guys, I know at this point the entire idea of an airsoft AICS stock for a .22 isn't so original, but I still felt motivated to try it and put my own spin on things. I decided to go with a Savage Mark II FVSR as I haven't seen but one other done, and it was a non-folder, plus I already have a Mark II and it's a tack driver, so I wouldn't need to buy more magazines for a different action.

I didn't really take pictures along the way, but I have the finished product. I took some with it along side my .300 Win Mag AICS, just for comparison. I think it looks excellent, if I don't say so myself!
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One thing I thought would be custom would be hooking up the magazine release to that of the action, so I can utilize the paddle in the stock itself. It wasn't that hard and it works great, considering the alternative PIA it would be to release the magazines from up inside the mag well.

Let me know what you think!!!
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If you have any questions I would be happy to provide more pics/details for anyone who might be motivated to give it a try themselves. I think I may take this one to a local gun show and try to sell it, since it turned out so great and was relatively easy to build.

No range report yet, as the hurricane in the atlantic is creating a lot of wind for us here in FL, but that will come next weekend hopefully.

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That is pretty awesome man and they look pretty good sitting right next to each other. I think you just inspired a new project for me.
 
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Thank you
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I say go for it! It's really a fun project to get into and it's not all that difficult to complete, you just need to have a bit of patience and a weekend or two.
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What kind of airsoft rifle did you use for the stock?
 
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Wells G96. At the time I purchased it from Airsplat (just like other guys have done, I recommend going to the "boneyard" section, I got the complete stock for a $100.00 plus shipping). From what I understand it is the only one known to have an aluminum "chassis" which is really just a square 1" I.D. aluminum tube
 
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Oh, I forgot to mention. The clasp on the folding portion of the stock was non-functional when I received the stock. So, I took the spring loaded deal out with a pair of pliers and I epoxied in a neodymium magnet I bought from the local hardware store, which works like a charm. Very strong, but not obnoxious and it fit perfect in place of the tired/broken spring that clasped onto the male portion initially.
 
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Can you tell any difference in feel when behind an actual AICS vs the airsoft one? The dimensions look pretty similar.
 
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just wait for the airsoft conversion haters to chime in about this.

love the conversion man. i got a black Wells G96 with a foldable stock. i just need to buy the Marlin XT-22 tube version

check out my TAR21 conversion using a Marlin 60
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tic-Tac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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good idea drill a hole and creating a linkage to the mag releases
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HPCR59</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you tell any difference in feel when behind an actual AICS vs the airsoft one? The dimensions look pretty similar.</div></div>

To be honest, no. The only real difference I am able to discern is the feel of the skins themselves. My AICS is FDE but it's not coated in anything, it's impregnated into the polymer of the skins. The airsoft stock is not that way. It's not polymer, it's plastic, and I cerakoted it in OD green. (It was black to begin with). That's really the only noticeable difference, and it's not a big deal anyway.. But.. Just for kicks I took the skins from the AICS and tried to put them on the airsoft copy, they aren't 100% identical, but a simple file and 2 minutes would fix that. From the outside, the dimensions are pretty much 100%. So, if it was really an issue you could get some viperskins to put on and I'm confident it would work pretty flawlessly.

But as far as a general footprint difference.. No, they are the same. This was one reason why I wanted to go this route (the other being that the other guys on here motivated me because they are just that sweet!).300 Win Mag isn't cheap to shoot so I wanted a .22 trainer that would give the same feel as the 300. This way I can sort of get trigger time and also not have to take out a loan in order to send lead down range. (at least, in theory!)

Looking back, I would have done 1 thing differently. I would have gone with a .17 HMR I think, so I would have a LOT more precision.. the .22 itself isn't that accurate, (I will give feedback on accuracy next weekend) and the .17 would be killer for it, but then again the benefits of a cheap shooter would start to diminish if you went that route.
 
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In short, I say yes. There is only a very minor clearance issue on the front skins right by the hinge. I am not sure about the viperskins since I don't have any, but the original AICS skins would easily fit in 5 min if I really saw the need. It's that close.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just wait for the airsoft conversion haters to chime in about this.

love the conversion man. i got a black Wells G96 with a foldable stock. i just need to buy the Marlin XT-22 tube version

check out my TAR21 conversion using a Marlin 60</div></div>

I checked it out and I'm extremely impressed. Conversions are pretty cool, fun, and unique.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tic-Tac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Looking back, I would have done 1 thing differently. I would have gone with a .17 HMR I think, <span style="color: #FF0000">so I would have a LOT more precision</span>.. the .22 itself isn't that accurate, (I will give feedback on accuracy next weekend) and the .17 would be killer for it, but then again the benefits of a cheap shooter would start to diminish if you went that route. </div></div>

couldn't disagree more

i will put my 22 against any .17 in the country from 0-400 yards…and it's in a a5 stock. no bench rest. and it's factory (the barreled action not the stock).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just wait for the airsoft conversion haters to chime in about this.

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don't know what ur trying to stir up but I have not heard of any "conversion haters" ever.
meaning, exactly what dfoosking said.

anyways, nice scope on an average rifle. hope you make your sell, which is obviously what ur after.



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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any Airsoft AX rifles out there yet to try this in?</div></div>

I don't believe so, but I think you could get pretty close to the feel of one with the ViperSkins.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D_TROS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tic-Tac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Looking back, I would have done 1 thing differently. I would have gone with a .17 HMR I think, <span style="color: #FF0000">so I would have a LOT more precision</span>.. the .22 itself isn't that accurate, (I will give feedback on accuracy next weekend) and the .17 would be killer for it, but then again the benefits of a cheap shooter would start to diminish if you went that route. </div></div>

couldn't disagree more

i will put my 22 against any .17 in the country from 0-400 yards…and it's in a a5 stock. no bench rest. and it's factory (the barreled action not the stock).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just wait for the airsoft conversion haters to chime in about this.

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don't know what ur trying to stir up but I have not heard of any "conversion haters" ever.


anyways, nice scope on an average rifle. hope you make your sell, which is obviously what ur after.



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Thanks!

I'm not after a sale.. I said I was thinking I might do so, but that wasn't what I had in mind at the beginning stages of this build. This was strictly so I would have a .22 trainer that I was able to afford practice with. I would have gone with the Remington 40x route, but as a kid in college my priorities aren't on purchasing a $1200 Minimum .22, just to add a $1000 stock to. This was a cheap (in the overall scheme of things) way to get a similar feel to that of my Remington 700 in AICS chassis. If the Remington 40x's were more popular/less expensive, I would have preferred to do it that way.

What type of load do you use in your .22? My biggest issue with the load is the fact that it's inconsistent. (Even CCI's aren't perfect in my experience).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The HIDE has always been about function over form. And from what I've seen your mods don't promote function.</div></div>

The OP is trying to make the ergonomics of his rimfire trainer more closely replicate his centerfire rifle. How does that not "promote function"?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have got to get around to doing this.

I wonder if a set of Viperskins would fit on one of these "chassis"? </div></div>

LoneWolf I would love to see a video review of this kind of thing! I had not been interested until I saw this thread and got to thinking about it.

My only question would be do the rifles suffer any accuracy loss when put into these conversion stocks? Is it about the same?

Also is there any place that has the Wells 96 "boneyard" in stock? I really don't want to pay $250 for the new gun. Thank you guys for any help!
 
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I'd think a business-minded guy could have a fairly decent side business selling converted airsoft AICS stocks for Savage Mk.II rifles...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd think a business-minded guy could have a fairly decent side business selling converted airsoft AICS stocks for Savage Mk.II rifles... </div></div>

wouldnt that be gunsmithing in where you need an FFL? thats one of the reasons why im hesitant
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any Airsoft AX rifles out there yet to try this in? </div></div>

is this the AX you're referring to? if so its coming out soon and i will be gutting it to fit one of my .22 bolt actions.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd think a business-minded guy could have a fairly decent side business selling converted airsoft AICS stocks for Savage Mk.II rifles... </div></div>

wouldnt that be gunsmithing in where you need an FFL? thats one of the reasons why im hesitant </div></div>

You don't need an FFL to make or sell gun stocks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd think a business-minded guy could have a fairly decent side business selling converted airsoft AICS stocks for Savage Mk.II rifles... </div></div>

wouldnt that be gunsmithing in where you need an FFL? thats one of the reasons why im hesitant </div></div>

No, you don't need an FFL to make the stock.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BenY 2013</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have got to get around to doing this.

I wonder if a set of Viperskins would fit on one of these "chassis"? </div></div>

LoneWolf I would love to see a video review of this kind of thing! I had not been interested until I saw this thread and got to thinking about it.

My only question would be do the rifles suffer any accuracy loss when put into these conversion stocks? Is it about the same?

Also is there any place that has the Wells 96 "boneyard" in stock? I really don't want to pay $250 for the new gun. Thank you guys for any help! </div></div>

From the other guys on the hide that have completed similar tasks, I would say the grouping differences are minimal. I don't have any data personally to back up my claim, but I'll be happy to report back when I can
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As far as the stock being in-stock in a boneyard, that's sort of the tricky part. They are somewhat desired from what I understand, so if you see one you should grab it. Top Predator has given links above for more info on builds and websites for purchasing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just wait for the airsoft conversion haters to chime in about this.

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Not a hater....more like indifferent.

But I can tell you poking a stick at them when they vastly outnumber you isnt the wisest thing on this forum.

The HIDE has always been about function over form. And from what I've seen your mods don't promote function. Which is what people have issue with.

Its like guys who dress up like high speed/low drag operators even though they are overweight or completely incompetent with firearms. To them its about dressing up not about becoming proficient shooters. And they get flamed for it.....you are no special case.

If this stock works and improves function and provides form...good job. But I assure you...if it was some total piece of shit you'd likely hear about.

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i dont want to take away from the OP thread. ill send over a PM
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: defcon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd think a business-minded guy could have a fairly decent side business selling converted airsoft AICS stocks for Savage Mk.II rifles... </div></div>

wouldnt that be gunsmithing in where you need an FFL? thats one of the reasons why im hesitant </div></div>

You don't need an FFL to make or sell gun stocks </div></div>

but is it gunsmithing?

gunsmithing is different from manufacturing gun stocks.

i did look up manufacturing gun stocks and i read that id have to pay an annual $2,250 ITAR fee regardless if i export or not. even if dress up kits or gun stocks are considered to be gun accessories, ITAR recognizes it as making gun parts. i asked Lisa from JAE Enterprises.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tic-Tac</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BenY 2013</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have got to get around to doing this.

I wonder if a set of Viperskins would fit on one of these "chassis"? </div></div>

LoneWolf I would love to see a video review of this kind of thing! I had not been interested until I saw this thread and got to thinking about it.

My only question would be do the rifles suffer any accuracy loss when put into these conversion stocks? Is it about the same?

Also is there any place that has the Wells 96 "boneyard" in stock? I really don't want to pay $250 for the new gun. Thank you guys for any help! </div></div>

From the other guys on the hide that have completed similar tasks, I would say the grouping differences are minimal. I don't have any data personally to back up my claim, but I'll be happy to report back when I can
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As far as the stock being in-stock in a boneyard, that's sort of the tricky part. They are somewhat desired from what I understand, so if you see one you should grab it. Top Predator has given links above for more info on builds and websites for purchasing. </div></div>


Yes please do give us a range report when ever you get the chance. I really like your build by the way. And gee thanks...now I gotta spend more time and money on stuff
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And I've been looking all over the web and looks like alot of the places are sold out of that model in the scrapyard
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But I'll keep on looking!
 
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look for the G96 gas models because this version is a lot sturdier, longer, has better plastic, is foldable and has a built in monopod than the 1 once L96 version. G96 is much longer than the L96. G96 is $100 used in the boneyard while the L96 is $60.

i can take pics side by side later tonight.
 
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^^^ This is what I am looking for, everything is just currently out of stock.
 
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My CZ 453 shot just as good in my stock mod (great) but i bedded it.
 
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Here's two of my AICS airsoft stocks.

Top one is the WELLS G96 which I paid $99 used on airsplat.com boneyard section

Bottom one was an L96 which was about $60 from the same boneyard. Doesnt fold. No monopod. One piece.

I got the smaller version first. Then then bigger version popped up and had to get it because it seems like its the real scaled version of the AICS.


IMAG0567 by defconskylude, on Flickr
 
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Bottom one would be great for a kids rifle - just like dad's rifle
 
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just to add, the L96 are missing more of the actual stuff that the real AICS has. plus the L96 is missing the magazine well hole where it should be - under the receiver, causing extra work and "engineering". the G96 IMO has more useful placement of everything and is less of a "toy".

range report from my conversion on a CZ455 varmint:

1) not a huge improvement in accuracy, but it didn't hurt it either. accuracy improvements were minimal, but there was at least some improvement, maybe 1/8" at 100Y, and about .75" at 200Y.

as the CZ was pretty darn accurate / consistant before the conversion, i don't know how much it will, or if, help with a less than a consistant rifle.

2) made the rifle more stable - the extra weight of the G96 helped when off the bench or prone. the 455V was 7 lbs b4, now is 13 lbs

3) more comfortable to shoot - better grip angle, adjustable cheek weld and LOP

4) IMO the rear monopod / spike is kinda spongy and gets in the way of using a bag effectively. i believe this to be the only drawback, and not very much of one.

in the end i have no regrets about doing the conversion, the first time took a little time, but now that the waters have been charted, a conversion should probably take less than a weekend to accomplish. a door knob install is actually tougher to do.

when compared to a "tacticool" stock install cost, 99.00 for a G96 is a bargain and IMO is a more functional stock. even a functioning G96 at 250.00ish doesn't seem too bad when adding up the tacticool stock, bottom metal, set of mounting screws cost and making a comparison.

it definately does promote form and function, especially if the airsoft stock is fashioned after a real centerfire, and not some star wars blaster.
 
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I am glad you posted this. How much " fitting " did it require to modify the chassis to accept the receiver, ect. ????
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zebra308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I am glad you posted this. How much " fitting " did it require to modify the chassis to accept the receiver, ect. ????</div></div> The Savage action is probably the most difficult one to accomplish simply because of its design. I will take some photos of it for you when i get home. Basically I had to re-engineer every aspect of the action fitting into the stock, and the magazine well too. That portion wasn't too difficult for me (being an Engineering major in college) but for others it may serve to be a challenge.

There are two aluminum "bedding blocks" in the original chassis that the airsoft action used in order to function. I threw those out immediately and came up with my own method, which I plan on improving upon with my 2nd build. I'll save you the lengthy details and just get a picture for you when I get the chance.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="color: #FF0000">IMO the rear monopod / spike is kinda spongy and gets in the way of using a bag effectively. i believe this to be the only drawback, and not very much of one.</span>

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My monopod on this particular stock is the same way. Extremely spongy and to be honest it's a joke. I opted to remove it entirely and plan on using a sandbag instead.. Just my $0.02.
 
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just to add, i actually used those bedding blocks as they were available already and adjustable to my screw spacing.

once set, i pinned the blocks to the chassis so they slide no more. so there are several ways of going at it.

again though great idea with the mag release, having a CZ with the release in the front of the mag, that will pose a situation.

sorry, i don't mean to infringe on your thread, i'll stop.
 
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Zebra, it's not looking as though my schedule is going to allow me enough time tonight to get the action out and pictures of how I bedded/made the action fit. I'll get them by the weekend for sure, I'm just busy with college assignments right now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just to add, i actually used those bedding blocks as they were available already and adjustable to my screw spacing.

once set, i pinned the blocks to the chassis so they slide no more. so there are several ways of going at it.

again though great idea with the mag release, having a CZ with the release in the front of the mag, that will pose a situation.

sorry, i don't mean to infringe on your thread, i'll stop.
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Top Pred, you are in no way infringing upon my thread. Don't feel that way at all. My thread is your thread. You are one of the guys who inspired me to start this build in the first place. Please don't feel like you are infringing on anything.

Same goes for everyone else. All comments welcome, good or bad!
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Alright..

So, the Wells G96 stock is a hollow aluminum tube, with an i.d. of 1" (give or take a few thousandths as it's cheap airsoft..)

I took a piece of 1" square aluminum tubing about 8" long and tapped it in after I hogged out enough room for the magazine well, and I drilled 1/2" holes (3 of them) for the action screws to fit into. Then I used some MarineTex to bed the action and ta-da, I'm done. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I did have to order longer action screws from savage (called em up and ordered 3 of them that are 1.5" long, the stock ones weren't long enough. This was a whopping $9.00 shipped.)

I shot it today and the groups were pretty good for my experience level (I don't have much experience, only 20 years old and I just got into shooting..)

Here's a pic of the action and also the target results as of today:

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Not the best groups in the world but for 100 yards they aren't bad. The black dots are just smaller than a dime, just for reference.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BenY 2013</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LoneWolf I would love to see a video review of this kind of thing! I had not been interested until I saw this thread and got to thinking about it.</div></div>

It may be something I look into once I wrap up some other projects.
 
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Thank you for the range report. I have now been inspired to do this myself!