Anyone ever pick up some once fired rifle rounds with a double shoulder on them? Meaning, where the neck meets the shoulder it is bubbled up and looks like an additional shoulder. This, I assume, comes from bad headspacing on someones rifle. Is there a way to fix them or just return or discard?
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Photo?
Photo?
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I wouldn't say outright headspace.
I'v screwed a Redding die to far down in a press, and did the same thing. But my loaded round would not chamber.
Other brand dies might do this too, RCBS won't, made to cam over.
And I'm not saying Redding dies are bad!!
I wouldn't say outright headspace.
I'v screwed a Redding die to far down in a press, and did the same thing. But my loaded round would not chamber.
Other brand dies might do this too, RCBS won't, made to cam over.
And I'm not saying Redding dies are bad!!
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Do not have a photo. By the looks of them being all different, I can tell it or looks like this came from the gun.(Pretty sure of it) Not someones bad reloading. Imagine the shoulder up towards the neck, then another very small shoulder meeting the neck. It is prominant enough that it will NOT chamber. Very stretched out brass as well. I trimmed a few and had to trim alot to get back to 2.005. I wish I had a pic. This is on 7.62X51 brass.
Do not have a photo. By the looks of them being all different, I can tell it or looks like this came from the gun.(Pretty sure of it) Not someones bad reloading. Imagine the shoulder up towards the neck, then another very small shoulder meeting the neck. It is prominant enough that it will NOT chamber. Very stretched out brass as well. I trimmed a few and had to trim alot to get back to 2.005. I wish I had a pic. This is on 7.62X51 brass.
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Well, sounds like you got it figured out, throw them and start over, nothing else you can do.
Well, sounds like you got it figured out, throw them and start over, nothing else you can do.
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I would say that possibly someone ran it in the wrong die and it formed to the other die and kept its original shoulder also. I've seen something similar when you fun a 223 into a 300 AAC blackout die without an expander in it.
I would say that possibly someone ran it in the wrong die and it formed to the other die and kept its original shoulder also. I've seen something similar when you fun a 223 into a 300 AAC blackout die without an expander in it.
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Okay if this is the case, how in the world did it chamber in the guys gun to shoot them? I cannot get them to chamber at ALL! AND could they be fixed? Is there a way to adjust my sizing die to fix them? Just curious. I can get my $$$ back or make a trade on some other brass etc. I appreciate your input. Good to learn different scenarios......
Okay if this is the case, how in the world did it chamber in the guys gun to shoot them? I cannot get them to chamber at ALL! AND could they be fixed? Is there a way to adjust my sizing die to fix them? Just curious. I can get my $$$ back or make a trade on some other brass etc. I appreciate your input. Good to learn different scenarios......
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It could be that some one ran a drill bit a little to far into the barrel as a roughing tool when they were chambering the rifle. It will look like what you are talking about. I have seen it happen even by the best when you get in a hurry
It could be that some one ran a drill bit a little to far into the barrel as a roughing tool when they were chambering the rifle. It will look like what you are talking about. I have seen it happen even by the best when you get in a hurry
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7dakota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It could be that some one ran a drill bit a little to far into the barrel as a roughing tool when they were chambering the rifle. It will look like what you are talking about. I have seen it happen even by the best when you get in a hurry </div></div>
WTF
Let us know who the best are, please.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7dakota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It could be that some one ran a drill bit a little to far into the barrel as a roughing tool when they were chambering the rifle. It will look like what you are talking about. I have seen it happen even by the best when you get in a hurry </div></div>
WTF
Let us know who the best are, please.
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To each his own on who they consider the best. Im just saying i have seen brass with a double shoulder caused by what i stated
To each his own on who they consider the best. Im just saying i have seen brass with a double shoulder caused by what i stated
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Dakota,
I'm really trying to be nice, but if I witnessed someone sticking a unpiloted, unsupported drill bit into my $460.00 brux barrel to cut relief for the reamer, my 1st round from the gun would go into his fucking head, then we'd discuss the price of the qaulity weapon.
Sorry
Dakota,
I'm really trying to be nice, but if I witnessed someone sticking a unpiloted, unsupported drill bit into my $460.00 brux barrel to cut relief for the reamer, my 1st round from the gun would go into his fucking head, then we'd discuss the price of the qaulity weapon.
Sorry
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Think I will just go trade these shit for brass for some other brass and make sure I look out for this to not happen again. I do apologize I do not have a photo to show. Thanks for all the input.
Think I will just go trade these shit for brass for some other brass and make sure I look out for this to not happen again. I do apologize I do not have a photo to show. Thanks for all the input.
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Man, I don't know about these solutions, but.
I remember, from my Army days. We had some blanks for 30'06 that had a double shoulder. They had an application for launching grenades with a mickey mouse sight and fired from a 45 degree angle with the M1s butt on the ground. These had a definite double shoulder, no bullet, just a wad. Maybe? BB
Man, I don't know about these solutions, but.
I remember, from my Army days. We had some blanks for 30'06 that had a double shoulder. They had an application for launching grenades with a mickey mouse sight and fired from a 45 degree angle with the M1s butt on the ground. These had a definite double shoulder, no bullet, just a wad. Maybe? BB
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Man thats good stuff! Answer is No. The gun range I shoot does not allow rocket launching! Haha! These were straight off the ground from someones gun. I buy most(if not all) of their 308 brass. Just got a bad run.
Man thats good stuff! Answer is No. The gun range I shoot does not allow rocket launching! Haha! These were straight off the ground from someones gun. I buy most(if not all) of their 308 brass. Just got a bad run.
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powdermeasure,
sounds like these might be 7.62x51 blanks. Military training blanks have been done with a "bullet" formed by the case extending well past where the neck would normally end, on up to where the bullet would normally be seated. These will be noticeably longer than standard cases, rounghly 2.7"-2.8" instead of the typical 2.015" you'd expect to see in standard 7.62x51 brass. Picture sure would help here.
powdermeasure,
sounds like these might be 7.62x51 blanks. Military training blanks have been done with a "bullet" formed by the case extending well past where the neck would normally end, on up to where the bullet would normally be seated. These will be noticeably longer than standard cases, rounghly 2.7"-2.8" instead of the typical 2.015" you'd expect to see in standard 7.62x51 brass. Picture sure would help here.
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might be something like this?
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ordinance-ammo/7-62x51-blanks-in-m13-mg-links-74812/
might be something like this?
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ordinance-ammo/7-62x51-blanks-in-m13-mg-links-74812/
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No. Have come to the knowledge it was someones bad reloading.
No. Have come to the knowledge it was someones bad reloading.
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I bet it was someone's bad chamber. If they were full velocity loads, the case HAVE to fit the chamber they were fired in.
I bet it was someone's bad chamber. If they were full velocity loads, the case HAVE to fit the chamber they were fired in.
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I have loaded rounds that have something like that.
I regularly only partially neck size and this leaves a noticeable collar around the base of the neck. This "collar" holds the cartridge more centered in the chamber when shooting ammo you want to be super accurate in a factory chamber that has extra room around the case neck. Works pretty good if using a bullet you don't have to seat all the way into the case.
I have loaded rounds that have something like that.
I regularly only partially neck size and this leaves a noticeable collar around the base of the neck. This "collar" holds the cartridge more centered in the chamber when shooting ammo you want to be super accurate in a factory chamber that has extra room around the case neck. Works pretty good if using a bullet you don't have to seat all the way into the case.
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Did they look like this?
I have seen this in Saiga 762x39 rifles due to a Russian rule meant to differentiate military and civilian rifles. Saiga also makes 7.62x51 rifles, so that may explain it.
Did they look like this?
I have seen this in Saiga 762x39 rifles due to a Russian rule meant to differentiate military and civilian rifles. Saiga also makes 7.62x51 rifles, so that may explain it.
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Nah. the bump filled up the crease where the neck meets the shoulder. Close though. it was also not consistant.
Nah. the bump filled up the crease where the neck meets the shoulder. Close though. it was also not consistant.
