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Barrel break in overpressure?

Raptorx

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Ok let me start by saying I do not reload. I'm in the process of breaking in my new barrel. I noticed some signs of overpressure on the primer. Should I be worried?
20" Kreiger Barrel 1-11.25
168gr SMK Federal GMM
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Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

It is ok for primers to show some signs of pressure, slight flattening of the primer is most common. If you have excessive primer flow (primer flowing in and around firing pin hole) than that is a sign of overpressure. Pressure is ok, overpressure should be avoided, most factory ammo is on the safer side. Can you describe or show what they look like ?

Kirk R
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

theres nothing wrong there. everything looks fine. load and shoot. that crater from your firing pin hole is what i assume you are pointing to as your high pressure sign? if so, not it.
 
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The build up of metal around the firing pin dimple and it seems to be flattened quite a bit compared to an unfired primer is what had me worried a little. I just wanted to be sure before I continued with break in.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

nope. carry on. there is a tiny explosion going of in there...some stuff will move a little.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

RaptorX,

What I'm seeing here is perfectly normal pressure signs, albeit from a rifle that has a somewhat oversized firing pin opening. A tighter fit between pin and hole would eliminate that cratering. I've seen plenty worse, to the point of needing to have the bolt face bushed by a gunsmith to get the fit more in line with what they should be.

People tend to use primers to judge pressures, which is fine to a point. Primers often can give you a good idea what sort of presures you're dealing with. The caution here is that primers will also lie to you faster than Barack Obama. There's a number of other conditions in a rifle's chamber, botl face or striker that can give the appearance of high pressures, even with very mild loads. I've also seen proof level loads that the vast majority of handloaders would have said were fairly mild loads, based soley on primer appearance. Personally, I take the primer condition into consideration, but it has to be evaluated with other signs being taken into account along with several other factors.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

Looks fine to me. But "break-in"? Just shoot it, man!
 
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Well as far as the bolt to pin fit its a JP enhanced bolt with JP firing pin. Does it look excessive to the point I should contact JP? So far it's shooting great. This is the first rifle I've completely built from the ground up and I just want to get everything right. Breaking in by Kreigers instructions is going slow. I've been at this half the day now and i'm only on my 4th shot. I just wish it would quit raining already.
 
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Man, I really don't think those methods help at all. Some may argue it does. You can do a search here and find lots of evidence on both sides. I gave up on the processes.
 
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Well I tend to agree for the most part. I never have gone to these lengths to break in a barrel before but I also have never spent this kind of money on a barrel before. It came with an instruction sheet for break-in from Kreiger and I'm gonna follow it. It would have gone much quicker if I could have setup my cleaning stuff outside but I couldn't because of the rain so I had to come in to clean between shots.
 
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Call Kreiger and ask the chamber of the barrel. In the M14 type .308 1 in 11 medium grade NM, it's a tight .308 chamber. Getting minor flattening and some flow around the primer hole is an indicator, but not a major problem until you really flatten those primers.

Do NOT shoot 7.62x51 ball in it. Pressure will increase even worse and you'd more then likely start getting extraction problems.

FOr break in purposes, Kreiger has a page on barrel breaking in. Please read it carefully and break in the barrel properly, these are good barrels since they basically took over for Boots Obermeyer who was great.

Reloading is not a bad thing (just takes patience), but it will allow you to find the "Sweet Load" for that rifle.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch engage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nope. carry on. there is a tiny explosion going of in there...some stuff will move a little.
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Ah no, those are pressure signs that should be watched, given the differences in SAAMI .308 chambers. Primers are not BADLY flattened but are definitely showing pressure signs.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But "break-in"? Just shoot it, man! </div></div>

Tyler's right IMO... GAP put's break-in instructions with their equipment as well, but realistically it's only because if they didn't then people would swarm them with calls asking how to do it. Both George Gardner(GA Precision) and Frank Galli(Low Light) have said it's not really necessary.
 
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It can't hurt to follow the recommended break-in. I purchased all the right stuff to clean without doing damage: JP bore guide, bore stix cleaning rod, and proper size jags/brushes. I will be done in one box of ammo or less.

As far as reloading goes, I have been around it most of my life. I just do not have the space right now to set it up the way I would like. I will just have to find what factory load it likes best and live with that for a while.
 
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I have a new (to me) 300 wm that does the same thing with ALL loads, light and hot. No worries.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaptorX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well as far as the bolt to pin fit its a JP enhanced bolt with JP firing pin. Does it look excessive to the point I should contact JP? So far it's shooting great. This is the first rifle I've completely built from the ground up and I just want to get everything right. Breaking in by Kreigers instructions is going slow. I've been at this half the day now and i'm only on my 4th shot. I just wish it would quit raining already. </div></div>

I have the same bolt and firing pin in my rifle. My primers look the same way yours do. FWIW: I asked the gunsmith who assembled my upper about the craters around the firing pin dimple and he surmised it was an oversized firing pin hole in the bolt. Until you posted your question I had not heard of any other JP Enhanced Bolt users having the same experience. What he said makes more sense now. Also, my loads are mid range loads, nowhere near max.
 
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That looks fine. My JP LRP-07 does the same thing nothing to worry about. When you see ejector swipe on the head stamp of the brass is when you are starting to get some over preasure. I reload for my JP 260 and loaded up to 46 gr of H4350 started to see some signs on the head stamp and backed it down .5 gr.
Meaure the case webing (between the body and base) if you get more than .001 expansion then you have a preasure problem.
 
Re: Barrel break in overpressure?

Mine look the same way with a Fulton bolt, I'm shooting 44 grains of varget and a 168 grain bullet. I have zero other signs of over pressure.