Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

[uracowman]

hey gang,

I have an issue that has come up with a new gun I just built and I need some help.

I recently purchased a 6.5x47 Lapua barreled action from here on the hide. After procuring the pieces necessary to build the gun, I received my brand new forster dies in the mail today to work some lapua brass with.

I FL sized, cleaned, then loaded up a 123 amax with no primer or powder just to get a measurement of the lands before load development. I started at 2.740 and worked by way all the way down to 2.615 before the case got stuck. Each time I shortened the OAL, the bolt would move into the action, but it wouldn't allow me to shut the bolt. Finally at the 2.615 OAL mark, I shut the bolt.

Upon trying to open the bolt, it was stuck. The bolt lifted up pretty easily, but it was not allowing me to pull it back to eject the round. I pulled as hard as I could and finally it moved back, but the round is now stuck in the chamber. After removing the bolt and looking down the back of the action, I could see that a small portion of the rim at the 1 o clock position looked deformed.

Anyone know why this may be the case? Before putting in the non-primed, non powder charged round in, I tried putting a full length resized case in WITHOUT a bullet, and even that wouldn't let me shut the bolt. I'm starting to think something was wrong with the barreled action to begin with.

 

[Tac284]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

PM sent

 

[turbo54]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

You said you FLS'd a case and tried to chamber it.

Was that new brass or fired?

If new, the chamber may be undersized.

If already fired (in a different chamber - because this barreled action is new to you), you simply didn't size it enough. If your measured case headspace is already several thousandths under SAAMI minimum, you'll need a small base die.

Because it's not a live round stuck in the chamber, you can safely knock it out with an aluminum (or possibly even wood) rod. The rod I have for this purpose has a center-drill divot in one end to "catch" on the bullet tip, so the rod doesn't glance off the bullet and get into the bore.

If it were a live round, here is some good reading:

http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3005168&page=1

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You said you FLS'd a case and tried to chamber it.

Was that new brass or fired?

If new, the chamber may be undersized.

If already fired (in a different chamber - because this barreled action is new to you), you simply didn't size it enough. If your measured case headspace is already several thousandths under SAAMI minimum, you'll need a small base die.

Because it's not a live round stuck in the chamber, you can safely knock it out with an aluminum (or possibly even wood) rod. The rod I have for this purpose has a center-drill divot in one end to "catch" on the bullet tip, so the rod doesn't glance off the bullet and get into the bore.

If it were a live round, here is some good reading:

http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3005168&page=1 </div></div>

it was once fired 6.5x47 brass I purchased from here on the hide a few days ago.

I just googled what a small base die is, but I can't find one for a 6.5x47 lapua. What should I do here?

 

[turbo54]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

Perhaps my google-fu is weak (where is shankster when you need him?!?!), but I'm coming up empty too.

I suggest you:

1. Continue sizing using your FLS die. If you are .002" under SAAMI min already, I'd try .005", and if that still won't chamber properly, I'd even go so far as .010" under - JUST THIS ONCE. Repeated oversizing like this will cause casehead separations.

2. If that still won't allow proper chambering, call Redding and see if they'll make you a SB die...

or...

3. You can scrap that brass, or sell it to someone else with a larger chamber.

or...

4. There are a couple of different outfits that will make a custom die for you, but it's not so cheap.

Good luck with that. I bought 500 pieces of 1x 284 brass off the 'broker, and luckily, Redding makes a SB 284 die, so I was able to reclaim the brass for use in my rifle. My rifle's chamber is also very tight. It's also my last "tight" chamber. I hate "tight" chambers.

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

omg you have to be kidding me. now the metal rod is stuck in the barrel....

I presume it is wedged between the edges brass neck and friction is holding it in place...

 

[quacktastic]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

pull hard on the rod, then shove an air compressor in the barrel and blast that fucker out

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: quacktastic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pull hard on the rod, then shove an air compressor in the barrel and blast that fucker out </div></div>

it's planted in there

 

[kyyotestalker]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

I have been using forster ultra dies for my 6.5 lapua for well over a year now they work great. I'd venture to guess the case got stuck due to the case neck being to large in diameter, possibly chamber was made for a tight neck?

Had the exact thing happen to me when I fiddled with the idea of necking down 308 win brass to form cheap comp ammo. ended up having to neck turn the brass and it fixed the problem, but to much trubble to deal with so gave up.

 

[rrflyer]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

MY SUGGESTION.....HIT IT HARDER.

A 2X4 works pretty well.

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

Stick it in a freezer overnight and try pushing it out with a rod in the morning

 

[Boltfluter]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

If you get the stuck rod out, I would fill the barrel with fluid and use a snug fitting short rod at the muzzle and use the hydraulics to drive the case out. You may want to put on a body suit on as this may get messy.

Good luck.

Regards, Paul

 

[quacktastic]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

I think you should just buy another gun

 

[The_FNG]

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I'm really sorry that you're having so much trouble and hope you get both the rod and case out...But if i was there i couldn't help but piss myself laughing.

Hope you have better luck after freezing the rifle..

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

Spray some penetrating oil down the barrel and let it sit for a hr or 2 then get some heavy heavy engin oil. 80-90-100 weight higher if u can find it. Fill the barrel up 1/2-3/4 way. Take a wood dowel 1/4 inch with a good cloth patch pretend ur loading a muzzle loader with the patch. Stick the dowel down the barrel and cut it off about 6" above the muzzle. Ram the patch one with a dead blow hammer. Preferablely plastic deadblow the rubber ones will get tore up by the dowel

 

[KTDLS7]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

Did you use a cleaning rod or solid rod (what material)? If a cleaning rod, the hollow end has probably split and is swaged around the bullet tip and you have another problem.

Keep us informed.

Kevin

 

[Infidel]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

At what point are you going to make the wise but overdue decision to just back away, slowly, back away from it and leave it alone until you can get it to a competent professional?

 

[*greenhorn*]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Infidel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At what point are you going to make the wise but overdue decision to just back away, slowly, back away from it and leave it alone until you can get it to a competent professional?
</div></div>

Actually that's a good idea. All though we have tried many of these steps with good or bad results. You have not tried any. Little word to the wise metal in your bore is not a good idea. (Unless cleaning with chamber guide).

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

ok good news. I got the rod out after sticking the rod end into a vise and twisting the action. It came out pretty easily.

Any ideas on how to get this case out beside what has been mentioned so far? I don't know if the suggestions using fluid will work because there isn't a primer in the case and all the fluid may pour out.

 

[rrflyer]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

A wooden dowl down the barrel and a 2x4 to smack it.

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A wooden dowl down the barrel and a 2x4 to smack it. </div></div>

I don't know if a dowel rod will be strong enough to push out this case before the rod breaks.

 

[oldfatguy]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uracowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok good news. I got the rod out after sticking the rod end into a vise and twisting the action. It came out pretty easily.

Any ideas on how to get this case out beside what has been mentioned so far? I don't know if the suggestions using fluid will work because there isn't a primer in the case and all the fluid may pour out. </div></div>

Drop a BB down the barrel and into the case. It will block the flash hole so you can use the hydrolic method. Grease and a close fitting rod is how mechanics get worn pilot bearings out of fly wheels. Hydrolics are magic.

OFG

 

[uracowman]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldfatguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uracowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok good news. I got the rod out after sticking the rod end into a vise and twisting the action. It came out pretty easily.

Any ideas on how to get this case out beside what has been mentioned so far? I don't know if the suggestions using fluid will work because there isn't a primer in the case and all the fluid may pour out. </div></div>

Drop a BB down the barrel and into the case. It will block the flash hole so you can use the hydrolic method. Grease and a close fitting rod is how mechanics get worn pilot bearings out of fly wheels. Hydrolics are magic.

OFG </div></div>

the problem here is the bullet was pushed into the case when I stuck the rod down the barrel. I don't know if the BB would plug the flash hole.

 

[George63]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

put a little epoxy in the primer hole

 

[turbo54]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

What kind of rod was used to try and knock this case out of the chamber?

 

[flynlow3]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

I ran into a similar problem once before. Here is what I did. I put a good penetrating oil down the barrel in small amounts and let sit for 15-20 min each application. I took an old dewey rod I had that is coated and long enough to prevent making contact with the crown. I tapped on it with small taps but continuously till it freed it. Small mulitple taps will work the penetrating oil around the shell case. I took off the jag since it was a bthp bullet. Once I pushed the bullet back into the case, I wasnt worried. It was like using an impact gun or hammer. Just dont get too wild. If you get frustrated walk away before you go overboard or tear something up.

Just my .02

It may ruin your coated rod but its the price you pay if you dont wish to take it in. Either way, you will be paying for it in some fashion

 

[hlee]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

More advice for when you get the case out... The next time you put an empty full length sized piece of brass in your gun an find that the bolt won't close, stop and ask yourself "why?" Answer that question before continuing. And, to prevent this from ever happening again... OAL Gauge . The "guess an check" method works, but the gauge works very well. And, all you need is a drill and the right tap to make a case for any caliber you want.

 

[Jkob60]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

Pull the barrel!!!! All you have accomplished thus far is to phuque up the barrel. Take it to someone who can pull the barrel to get the case out.

 

[JC Steel]

Re: Help. round stuck in chamber, rim looks torn

I did that too with my new 6.5x47. I guess I did not size it all the way. And it closed just barely into the chamber. But when I went to pull it out it would not budge.

I used a stainless steel Rod and a mallet. Worked fine after a few stout hits!!!

 

[Wheres-Waldo]

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"I got the rod out after sticking the rod end into a vise and twisting the action. It came out pretty easily."

-Anything steel in your barrel is a bad idea unless your cutting a chamber.

"I used a stainless steel Rod and a mallet. Worked fine after a few stout hits!!!"

-Anything steel in your barrel + something to exert more force on that steel than you can yourself is straight up retarded.

 

[*greenhorn*]

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