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Rifle Scopes Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

pcweidman

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Can anyone give me the rundown on these optics and company?

Quality of glass?
Quality of construction?
Quality of warranty/ customer service?
Quality of their BDC turret system?

I am smashing my face against the wall on my search for a new optic on my 300wm AICS build. I am considering Vortex, Leupold, NF ...... All the usual under 2k players.
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

These BDC scopes are a newby/lazy shooters wet dream for companies like Huskemaw, buy a Mil Dot scope with matching .1MRAD knobs, learn how DA(density altitude) effects the path of said bullet, then you can be at sea level or on top of a mountain and make hits, if you decide on BDC your going to miss your target more than you'll hit. I see this all the time with my lazy co-workers, they shoot here in north TEXAS, they go on hunts in New Mexico and miss on deer all the time, but here in Texas they slay what they see, they have no clue on atmospheric conditions and rely on there BDC, don't be like them.
 
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I'd put Huskemaw last on the list of those scopes you've listed.
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

Do do you feel the same about the G7 system?

Also why wouldn't it not work if you have custom turrets for certain elevation and temp?
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd put Huskemaw last on the list of those scopes you've listed. </div></div>

Why
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcweidman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do do you feel the same about the G7 system?

Also why wouldn't it not work if you have custom turrets for certain elevation and temp? </div></div>

I have shot from the same spot and seen a 4000ft DA change between the morning and afternoon, having a set adjustment for the distance would have been a miss by a wide margin, simply put if BDC worked we would all be using it.
 
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Im in the process of cutting all the best features off the top 4 makers best scopes and gonna ever so carefully rebuild them into one super scope, im gonna call it a counter-huskemarska star
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im in the process of cutting all the best features off the top 4 makers best scopes and gonna ever so carefully rebuild them into one super scope, im gonna call it a counter-huskemarska star</div></div>

that made me laugh
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcweidman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anyone give me the rundown on these optics and company?

Quality of glass?
Quality of construction?
Quality of warranty/ customer service?
Quality of their BDC turret system?

I am smashing my face against the wall on my search for a new optic on my 300wm AICS build. I am considering Vortex, Leupold, NF ...... All the usual under 2k players. </div></div>
Add SWFA super sniper 5-20 since it's a first focal plane scope, with great tracking, just dial your dope and shoot.
All those companies that promise a simple firing solution, will only be accurate at one altitude, one density, one temp........ you get the picture.
SScott
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im in the process of cutting all the best features off the top 4 makers best scopes and gonna ever so carefully rebuild them into one super scope, im gonna call it a counter-huskemarska star</div></div>

Pre-orders?
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcweidman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do do you feel the same about the G7 system?

Also why wouldn't it not work if you have custom turrets for certain elevation and temp? </div></div>

Youre gonna need a whole BAG of custom turrets!
 
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you will find no love here for huskemaw or other BDC systems. IMO there is a group think here that hates it and laughs at it. its a different system than what most guys around here use. does it make it bad one, NO not for its intended purposes. if you look in the past the marines used a system similar to how the BDC turret of the huskemaw or G7 scope uses. the veneer adjustment on the unertls compensated for changes from the BDC turret to accommodate different conditions. The fact is everyone wants to sit and crow about how much density alititude changes or how much temperature change effects your shots, to this I say yeah AFTER 600 YARDS or so. inside that you will not see that much difference in conditions. that is why the system works so well as a hunting system. beyond 600 yards the differences in conditions start to add up and you should adjust for this this can still be accomplished in a BDC setup in a similar manner to what the marines did with the unertls. for instance if your turret is set for 70 degrees and its 20 degrees outside this could create a 1 moa difference at 1000 yards. in the case of the huskemaw one could add 1 click at 600 yards, 2 clicks at 800 yards or 3 clicks at 1000 yards to compensate for cooler temps from the marked yardage on the turret. huskemaw uses 1/3 MOA clicks.

now is the husky a tactical scope, prolly not, could you use it as one yeah and I think it would work fairly well if ones purpose is fast shooting without the aid of a spotter. personally for $1300 bucks I would save my money and get a nightforce with the MOAR reticle.
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you will find no love here for huskemaw or other BDC systems. IMO there is a group think here that hates it and laughs at it. its a different system than what most guys around here use. does it make it bad one, NO not for its intended purposes. if you look in the past the marines used a system similar to how the BDC turret of the huskemaw or G7 scope uses. the veneer adjustment on the unertls compensated for changes from the BDC turret to accommodate different conditions. The fact is everyone wants to sit and crow about how much density alititude changes or how much temperature change effects your shots, to this I say yeah AFTER 600 YARDS or so. inside that you will not see that much difference in conditions. that is why the system works so well as a hunting system. beyond 600 yards the differences in conditions start to add up and you should adjust for this this can still be accomplished in a BDC setup in a similar manner to what the marines did with the unertls. for instance if your turret is set for 70 degrees and its 20 degrees outside this could create a 1 moa difference at 1000 yards. in the case of the huskemaw one could add 1 click at 600 yards, 2 clicks at 800 yards or 3 clicks at 1000 yards to compensate for cooler temps from the marked yardage on the turret. huskemaw uses 1/3 MOA clicks.

now is the husky a tactical scope, prolly not, could you use it as one yeah and I think it would work fairly well if ones purpose is fast shooting without the aid of a spotter. personally for $1300 bucks I would save my money and get a nightforce with the MOAR reticle. </div></div>
And like the Marines have done, if you choose a scope that has adjustments that match the reticle(mil/mil,or MOA/MOA)it is much easier to remember and learn.
 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another big thing the typical BDC crowd forget is that turret or reticle is only good for one caliber/load/atmo condition. </div></div>

I have a couple of hunter friends who are the kinds that take only a couple shots a year just before season and want to kill that big animal they always see at 600-900Y-- but they don't want to put the time in to practice or learn the concepts and ballistics of long range shooting. Thus they look for the easy way out.

This year the two guys in question went and had some custom BDC turrets made. Where we live we're 20' above sea level and their knobs actually tracked pretty well when they tested them down here out to 700Y. However, where they hunt is at 7000-9000' elevation; I ran the numbers and told them that their knobs aren't going to work so well for hitting their kill-zone beyond about 500Y. Their reply was "no way, the place that made the knobs says elevation doesn't matter that much."

Having been down this path before I didn't try to argue with them or confuse them with math. Smile and nod...

If they had a software package that could take into account atmospheric conditions where they hunt and give them the "corrected range" to turn their elevation knobs to it would be a different story... but they dont have anything like that.

I can't wait to hear about "the one that got away" when they get back in a week.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcweidman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do do you feel the same about the G7 system?

Also why wouldn't it not work if you have custom turrets for certain elevation and temp? </div></div>

The G7 system actually takes this into account but only needs one BDC knob to do so; they make a known BDC turret that may be valid at only one atmospheric condition but it works in conjunction with their atmosphere & angle compensating rangefinder. When you range a target their rangefinder provides you with a "corrected" range to dial the turret to; while the actual shot distance might be say 900 linear yards their rangefinder might actually tell you to dial to 750 on the BDC turret to compensate for atmosphere & angle. Their rangefinder does all the math for you to make the BDC turret work regardless of conditions.

I must admit the rangefinder is appealing and overall it's a slick system that undoubtedly sells well with those who want to attempt long shots but don't want to spend the time to learn the reasons and math behind the shot; all they need to do is push the button, read the display, and dial what the rangefinder tells them to do.

I'm somewhat surprised it took someone this long to bring a rangefinder to market that takes into account bullet BC & velocity, shot angle, and atmospheric conditions all in one unit to deliver a "single button" shot solution. The speed of the system is appealing; too bad they didn't give it the capability to output in mils in addition to corrected range and MOA. (Although us mil users can have it output a corrected range which you can then look up on a drop chart.)


 
Re: Huskemaw Scopes and Bdc system?

I've handled a huskamaw scope, IMHO it is priced about 300% more than it is worth!!! I'd say the mfgs are "con artists" at best. When one makes the claims they do, on a daily basis, knowing it is un-true, keep your money in your pocket, almost any $200.00 scope is as good as, for the money they're asking, get a real scope from a real mfg. I don't see any of the high quality optics dealers on this board carrying any of this product, that alone should tell you all you need to know!