ok so here it is I have been thinking for a while about the design of the remington msr and yes it is a great design but i am trying to design a rifle like that for smaller shooters so it doesnt kick as much and i want to make it for tactical f class matches so from 500 yards out to 1000 yards
- Thread starter lorenmese
- Start date
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
sounds like your spending to much time on the internet. Which of the three calibers are you trying to get 'not to kick as much'
sounds like your spending to much time on the internet. Which of the three calibers are you trying to get 'not to kick as much'
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
preferably the 338 but i was thinking you could reduce the spring tension and convert it to most common calibers and i accually dont spend alot of time on the internet i think of this stuff mostly in my head and i would love to build a lighter version of the msr with a sopmod stock for tactical matches and it would be in 6.5 creedmoor
preferably the 338 but i was thinking you could reduce the spring tension and convert it to most common calibers and i accually dont spend alot of time on the internet i think of this stuff mostly in my head and i would love to build a lighter version of the msr with a sopmod stock for tactical matches and it would be in 6.5 creedmoor
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so here it is I have been thinking for a while about the design of the remington msr and yes it is a great design but i am trying to design a rifle like that for smaller shooters so it doesnt kick as much and i want to make it for tactical f class matches so from 500 yards out to 1000 yards </div></div>
Please forgive F/TR is .308 (.223)......???.....???
put a brake on it? (if that is allowed)
Why the MSR for a belly gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok so here it is I have been thinking for a while about the design of the remington msr and yes it is a great design but i am trying to design a rifle like that for smaller shooters so it doesnt kick as much and i want to make it for tactical f class matches so from 500 yards out to 1000 yards </div></div>
Please forgive F/TR is .308 (.223)......???.....???
put a brake on it? (if that is allowed)
Why the MSR for a belly gun?
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
What in the world are you on about? Spring tension? Shooting .338 from 500 to 1k? Might as well get an M107 in that case.
I think the website your looking for is ar15.com
What in the world are you on about? Spring tension? Shooting .338 from 500 to 1k? Might as well get an M107 in that case.
I think the website your looking for is ar15.com
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
because i want to make it different i like the look of the rifle but not the manufacture and isnt there f/tr open classes and i wanna make the stock and stuff shorter because i am only 5 foot 2 inches so the lop is to long and i get kicked hard by lots of calibers so if i could reduce that i wouldnt be so hesitant to shoot a match casue then i could use my shoulder the next day cause 270s are brutal on me but 30-06 is fine and lots of people use 308's but i heard the 6.5's were still super sonic at longer ranges
because i want to make it different i like the look of the rifle but not the manufacture and isnt there f/tr open classes and i wanna make the stock and stuff shorter because i am only 5 foot 2 inches so the lop is to long and i get kicked hard by lots of calibers so if i could reduce that i wouldnt be so hesitant to shoot a match casue then i could use my shoulder the next day cause 270s are brutal on me but 30-06 is fine and lots of people use 308's but i heard the 6.5's were still super sonic at longer ranges
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">preferably the 338 but i was thinking you could reduce the spring tension and convert it to most common calibers and i accually dont spend alot of time on the internet i think of this stuff mostly in my head and i would love to build a lighter version of the msr with a sopmod stock for tactical matches and it would be in 6.5 creedmoor </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">preferably the 338 but i was thinking you could reduce the spring tension and convert it to most common calibers and i accually dont spend alot of time on the internet i think of this stuff mostly in my head and i would love to build a lighter version of the msr with a sopmod stock for tactical matches and it would be in 6.5 creedmoor </div></div>
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because i want to make it different i like the look of the rifle but not the manufacture and isnt there f/tr open classes and i wanna make the stock and stuff shorter because i am only 5 foot 2 inches so the lop is to long and i get kicked hard by lots of calibers so if i could reduce that i wouldnt be so hesitant to shoot a match casue then i could use my shoulder the next day cause 270s are brutal on me but 30-06 is fine and lots of people use 308's but i heard the 6.5's were still super sonic at longer ranges </div></div>
http://www.drakeassociates.us/content/stalkergen2
Have you shot one before?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">because i want to make it different i like the look of the rifle but not the manufacture and isnt there f/tr open classes and i wanna make the stock and stuff shorter because i am only 5 foot 2 inches so the lop is to long and i get kicked hard by lots of calibers so if i could reduce that i wouldnt be so hesitant to shoot a match casue then i could use my shoulder the next day cause 270s are brutal on me but 30-06 is fine and lots of people use 308's but i heard the 6.5's were still super sonic at longer ranges </div></div>
http://www.drakeassociates.us/content/stalkergen2
Have you shot one before?
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
no cause i just turned 20 and i am putting myself through gunsmithing school and i know i can get the metal for the machining but the only high end gun i have shot were the ar-15's that i built and an m82 but i like bolt action rifles i just dont have the extra 2k for a stock i have to do this in installments
no cause i just turned 20 and i am putting myself through gunsmithing school and i know i can get the metal for the machining but the only high end gun i have shot were the ar-15's that i built and an m82 but i like bolt action rifles i just dont have the extra 2k for a stock i have to do this in installments
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
try a Rock Solid Stock, McCree Precision, etc.
don't wrap your head around a look if it does not work for YOU
try a Rock Solid Stock, McCree Precision, etc.
don't wrap your head around a look if it does not work for YOU
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
FORGOT ABOUT THE .338 LM.
Why do you care about the "look"?
F-T/R is .308 and .223 ONLY.
F Open is up to .35 cal
http://usfclass.com/rules.aspx
If you're shooting F-Class, just pick up a 700 or Savage and roll. Maybe a stock later.
FORGOT ABOUT THE .338 LM.
Why do you care about the "look"?
F-T/R is .308 and .223 ONLY.
F Open is up to .35 cal
http://usfclass.com/rules.aspx
If you're shooting F-Class, just pick up a 700 or Savage and roll. Maybe a stock later.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
everything works for me on the msr but length of pull and caliber choice and inwas gonna design a msr/m82 hybrid if ppl thought it would work but if i could make an msr with a collapsable stock and in 6.5 creedmoor i would be saving up for the t-6 billet
everything works for me on the msr but length of pull and caliber choice and inwas gonna design a msr/m82 hybrid if ppl thought it would work but if i could make an msr with a collapsable stock and in 6.5 creedmoor i would be saving up for the t-6 billet
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
i also like the slimness of the gun and i just want something different than a nomal 700 with a new barrel and trigger and stock cause they are all the same i want an individual gun just like people buy custom
ar-15's and cars and things i just want something new
i also like the slimness of the gun and i just want something different than a nomal 700 with a new barrel and trigger and stock cause they are all the same i want an individual gun just like people buy custom
ar-15's and cars and things i just want something new
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
What do you mean, everything works for you on the MSR but LOP and caliber? Have you been behind one? How the hell would you make a hybrid? Kid, you've got a lot to learn.
What do you mean, everything works for you on the MSR but LOP and caliber? Have you been behind one? How the hell would you make a hybrid? Kid, you've got a lot to learn.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
thats what i am trying to see if it would work
thats what i am trying to see if it would work
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
There is no reason to re-design anything really. The main features of the MSR action are that is a 3 lug bolt, can swap barrels easily, and has a bent bolt handle to fit into a specific spot on the stock.
The rest of the features are in the stock, i.e. it folds, takes detachable mags, has adjustable ergonomics, etc.
All of this is readily available without any cutting. For example, just buy an AI AE, AW, or AX. You could buy a TRG as well and throw in in the Ashbury stock, or you could just get one of the Cadex stocks that is just like the MSR and get that 4 lug action with it.
It is good to think about different ways of doing things and trying to be creative. I encourage you to keep working, learning, and evolving. A long time ago I asked a forum about one of my first designs and they were pretty skeptical and rightly so, but I learned and improved my skill and knowledge. I can tell you that gunsmithing school won't give you all the skills you'll need to design a rifle, at least for production. You're going to need to know 3D design software, machining, manufacturing processes, etc. Your best bet would be to become an engineer, industrial designer, machinist, or the like, then learn all you can about internal ballistics from the few sources that exist. As another bit of advice, calling yourself an "up and coming" anything usually isn't the best idea. If you've had some small successes or shown flashes of brilliance, other people may label you an up and comer but when self applied will likely invite the ire of those you meet. You're young and have time to learn from your mistakes, thankfully this is a good forum for learning (usually). Good luck,
Justin
There is no reason to re-design anything really. The main features of the MSR action are that is a 3 lug bolt, can swap barrels easily, and has a bent bolt handle to fit into a specific spot on the stock.
The rest of the features are in the stock, i.e. it folds, takes detachable mags, has adjustable ergonomics, etc.
All of this is readily available without any cutting. For example, just buy an AI AE, AW, or AX. You could buy a TRG as well and throw in in the Ashbury stock, or you could just get one of the Cadex stocks that is just like the MSR and get that 4 lug action with it.
It is good to think about different ways of doing things and trying to be creative. I encourage you to keep working, learning, and evolving. A long time ago I asked a forum about one of my first designs and they were pretty skeptical and rightly so, but I learned and improved my skill and knowledge. I can tell you that gunsmithing school won't give you all the skills you'll need to design a rifle, at least for production. You're going to need to know 3D design software, machining, manufacturing processes, etc. Your best bet would be to become an engineer, industrial designer, machinist, or the like, then learn all you can about internal ballistics from the few sources that exist. As another bit of advice, calling yourself an "up and coming" anything usually isn't the best idea. If you've had some small successes or shown flashes of brilliance, other people may label you an up and comer but when self applied will likely invite the ire of those you meet. You're young and have time to learn from your mistakes, thankfully this is a good forum for learning (usually). Good luck,
Justin
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
is it are there and competitions that would be better off using the 6.5 bullet
is it are there and competitions that would be better off using the 6.5 bullet
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
I wonder if LL gets bored sometimes and creates new screen names to fuck with us
I wonder if LL gets bored sometimes and creates new screen names to fuck with us
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StoopidSlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if LL gets bored sometimes and creates new screen names to fuck with us </div></div>
I sure as hell would lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StoopidSlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if LL gets bored sometimes and creates new screen names to fuck with us </div></div>
I sure as hell would lol
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
Here ya go buddy, unfortunately, no one here is very good at call of duty, so asking for usernames to play with would be futile. Enjoy your youtube videos, and that way, you can play with an MSR all day long, and it never cost you more than the price of the game, and you don't troll other people who actually shoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIaPUb9MR8
Here ya go buddy, unfortunately, no one here is very good at call of duty, so asking for usernames to play with would be futile. Enjoy your youtube videos, and that way, you can play with an MSR all day long, and it never cost you more than the price of the game, and you don't troll other people who actually shoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIaPUb9MR8
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
+1
+1
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no cause i just turned 20 and i am putting myself through gunsmithing school and i know i can get the metal for the machining but the only high end gun i have shot were the ar-15's that i built and an m82 but i like bolt action rifles i just dont have the extra 2k for a stock i have to do this in installments </div></div>
To redesign and machine something that intricate from scratch you need machining courses, years of experience and a cnc mill; gunsmithing school won't teach that type of metalwork, if any.
Sometimes we have ideas that we think are really good and they work out nicely. This is not one of those ideas. You'll spend enough money fucking up raw materials and expensive tooling to just buy the thing and learn to drive it.
If it doesn't fit you, and you admit it doesn't fit you, and you buy it anyways because you think it looks snipery, then GTFO. Buy a 700 and buy some training. We'll be more than happy to help after your instructors bring you back down to Earth.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no cause i just turned 20 and i am putting myself through gunsmithing school and i know i can get the metal for the machining but the only high end gun i have shot were the ar-15's that i built and an m82 but i like bolt action rifles i just dont have the extra 2k for a stock i have to do this in installments </div></div>
To redesign and machine something that intricate from scratch you need machining courses, years of experience and a cnc mill; gunsmithing school won't teach that type of metalwork, if any.
Sometimes we have ideas that we think are really good and they work out nicely. This is not one of those ideas. You'll spend enough money fucking up raw materials and expensive tooling to just buy the thing and learn to drive it.
If it doesn't fit you, and you admit it doesn't fit you, and you buy it anyways because you think it looks snipery, then GTFO. Buy a 700 and buy some training. We'll be more than happy to help after your instructors bring you back down to Earth.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
hunterkid,
If you want to get involved with F-class either class come down to the GRRC range in Harris MN about 20 miles south of you in Pine City. We have an F-class league, every Thursday night, that starts early spring and runs through October, we shoot at 1,000 yards 90%. You will see calibers from 6 Dasher up to Heavy bullet 308's with quite a few 6.5's thrown in for good measure. Here is the link for the schedule http://www.grrc.org/events/
I understand the desire to at time look different but as far as I am concerned the first driver should be performance
hunterkid,
If you want to get involved with F-class either class come down to the GRRC range in Harris MN about 20 miles south of you in Pine City. We have an F-class league, every Thursday night, that starts early spring and runs through October, we shoot at 1,000 yards 90%. You will see calibers from 6 Dasher up to Heavy bullet 308's with quite a few 6.5's thrown in for good measure. Here is the link for the schedule http://www.grrc.org/events/
I understand the desire to at time look different but as far as I am concerned the first driver should be performance
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
i dot play call of duty i just have shot the m82 and i liked the design and i was going to see if it was possible for a bolt action and i compete in uspsa and idpa and getting into 3-gun so i shoot quite a bit and i am in gunsmithing school also so dont underestamate me it was just a question
i dot play call of duty i just have shot the m82 and i liked the design and i was going to see if it was possible for a bolt action and i compete in uspsa and idpa and getting into 3-gun so i shoot quite a bit and i am in gunsmithing school also so dont underestamate me it was just a question
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
There's a good reason you see so many 700s; they work. For the amount of money you're considering spending you could buy a very nice rifle. Or a car. Or some english classes that teach you about punctuation.
There's a good reason you see so many 700s; they work. For the amount of money you're considering spending you could buy a very nice rifle. Or a car. Or some english classes that teach you about punctuation.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
for f/tr i am going to save up for a borden action and an eliso r1 or rts tube stock with either a heart,brux,or kreiger 30" barrel but i still am going to try and design the bolt gun with the barret barrel recoil spring for production.
for f/tr i am going to save up for a borden action and an eliso r1 or rts tube stock with either a heart,brux,or kreiger 30" barrel but i still am going to try and design the bolt gun with the barret barrel recoil spring for production.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
Punctuation.......give it a try. There is a reason your second grade teacher was talking at you.
Punctuation.......give it a try. There is a reason your second grade teacher was talking at you.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
I liked the look of the MSR too. The easiest way to get close to the look is the XLR Chassis. They make it for just about any rifle you want.
Google it.
I liked the look of the MSR too. The easiest way to get close to the look is the XLR Chassis. They make it for just about any rifle you want.
Google it.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i still am going to try and design the bolt gun with the barret barrel recoil spring for production. </div></div>
Fascinating concept. Oh, please do tell us more...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunterkid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i still am going to try and design the bolt gun with the barret barrel recoil spring for production. </div></div>
Fascinating concept. Oh, please do tell us more...
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
I feel dumber now for having read this entire thread.
Stay in skool bud.
I feel dumber now for having read this entire thread.
Stay in skool bud.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.....
Ok, you want to redesign the MSR with a recoiling barrel? Why? the barrel on an 82 recoils to help with cycling and to negate some of the recoil impulse. Why would a bolt action need to recoil with in itself? Also, the stock has an adjustable length of pull so what are you on about?
You complain about .270 recoil but you find an M82 recoil to be acceptable?
I'm SOOOOOO confused right now...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.....
Ok, you want to redesign the MSR with a recoiling barrel? Why? the barrel on an 82 recoils to help with cycling and to negate some of the recoil impulse. Why would a bolt action need to recoil with in itself? Also, the stock has an adjustable length of pull so what are you on about?
You complain about .270 recoil but you find an M82 recoil to be acceptable?
I'm SOOOOOO confused right now...
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
WTF
You want to shoot FT/R with this rig, shooting FT/R is easy shooting FT/R competitively is not easy with proven equipment. Stepping to the line with a barrel that recoils for no functional reason and only cosmetic wanna be.
Show up with at Harris, we are only 20 miles to the south of you in Pine City, be happy most shooters have to travel a lot farther than that to shoot a 1,000 yards. Come down and see what people are shooting and maybe try a few rounds, then you may want to build a gun with every bit of performance you can get. Most of what we shoot with would not look good in Call of Duty, some of shoot stuff that is not even camo'ed see the paper it don't back.
WTF
You want to shoot FT/R with this rig, shooting FT/R is easy shooting FT/R competitively is not easy with proven equipment. Stepping to the line with a barrel that recoils for no functional reason and only cosmetic wanna be.
Show up with at Harris, we are only 20 miles to the south of you in Pine City, be happy most shooters have to travel a lot farther than that to shoot a 1,000 yards. Come down and see what people are shooting and maybe try a few rounds, then you may want to build a gun with every bit of performance you can get. Most of what we shoot with would not look good in Call of Duty, some of shoot stuff that is not even camo'ed see the paper it don't back.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
You realize that there spring on the barrel is what puts the recoil in recoil operation that is synonymous with M82's and M107's right?
You might as well put a gas piston on a bolt gun if your going to have a reciprocating barrel.
You realize that there spring on the barrel is what puts the recoil in recoil operation that is synonymous with M82's and M107's right?
You might as well put a gas piston on a bolt gun if your going to have a reciprocating barrel.
Re: need help designing a rifle like the remington msr
hunterkid...
You want to build a bolt action rifle with a recoiling barrel right?
Please (take time to type out your response so we can understand it) tell us why. Just a simple answer will do.
hunterkid...
You want to build a bolt action rifle with a recoiling barrel right?
Please (take time to type out your response so we can understand it) tell us why. Just a simple answer will do.
Similar threads
