New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

[Das Capitolin]

After one year of owning the Savage 11 Long Range Hunter in 260 Remington with SWFA SS HD x5-20 attached, I've fired roughly 500 rounds in competition and practice with mixed results. The first several cold-bore shots have always been very accurate, but as the lightweight barrel heats-up shot placement really opens with unexpected influence on elevation. The Savage 11 LRH is great for long-distance hunting trips, but it's not well-suited for fast-paced 10-round strings sustained for several hours.

It's an exceptional precision hunting rifle, but I don't hunt at all, and the long-range competitions generate too much heat for this barrel to manage (especially in warm weather). Since my primarily purpose is shooting at local long-range varmint matches (out to 675 yards), it's time for something purpose-built for competition.

260 REM is an outstanding round and I've already got everything I need to continue loading it for life. I'm somewhat pleased with Savage Arms manufactured rifles, at least a lot more so then Remington, and have considered the Savage 12 Long Range Precision (which is probably what I should have began with). Unfortunately the stock that comes on 12LRP is worthless, and other models come close but aren't offered in 260 REM or lack synthetic stock.

There are hundreds of options I could choose from, but until I retire and make this my full-time hobby the obscenely expensive custom platforms aren't an option. So here's my 'wish list' of ingredients:

<span style="font-weight: bold">Action:</span> no preference, but like both Remington 700 and Savage short (must chamber 260 REM)
<span style="font-weight: bold">Barrel:</span> 26"-30" heavy in 6.5/.264, fluting preferred.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Stock:</span> synthetic with adjustable integral cheekpiece, heavy with front rail preferred.

Links are appreciated. Thank you all in advance for your suggestions.

 

[glock24]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

http://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3-sporter-24-barrel-260-rem-jrtn521.aspx

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Thank you glock24. I've seen this previously, but was concerned about the sporter barrel's profile. Obviously I could put a new fluted heavy barrel on it, but I really wish it came with one from the factory.

 

[glock24]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Hmm. . . I know it ain't fluted, but I was under the impression it was a heavy profile barrel.

If were you, I'd bite the bullet on that 12LRP, and drop it into an upgraded stock like a Manners.

 

[ShtrRdy]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Maybe you should put a new barrel on your Savage?

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

If I were to change my 11LRH into the rifle it should be for competition, it would require a new barrel plus labor and a new stock with bedding. All that would remain is the original action, which has a textured finish that I'm not fond of. It makes more sense to sell this rifle to someone who hunts, then buy a competition rifle. I may end up getting that Savage 12LRP, especially since it's only $900, then build my own cheekpad and front bipod rail.

Thank you for these suggestions!

 

[SRSDriver]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Judging by the weight, I don't think the T3 sporter is a hunting profile, it's almost 4lbs heavier than their hunting model. I'd love to pick one up, but I think it's like 3rd or 4th in my queue!

 

[Topstrap]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

No need to get a new gun, put an HS precision pro stock on your action ,order a Shilen Select Match 28" bull barrel from Northland and screw it on yourself. N. Add a XLR cheek rest if needed, to the HS stock, Accurate or AICS bottom metal is nice but not a necessity at first. We're using Harris notched swivel bipods with a podlock and again no need for anything more expensive. The HS stock has aluminium blocks that work very well and no bedding needed. Put a 20 or 30 moa mount on it and that SWFA 6-20 you already own and you'll be good to go for at least 1000 yards. With that setup and lots of practice there isn't any reason you will would be second fiddle to any of the customs at a match. That's pretty much all we use and we couldn't ask for more.

Topstrap

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Thank you Topstrap. As mentioned I already have a SWFA SS HD x5-20 attached with 20-MOA base, but it's very compelling to just sell the 11LRH complete for $500 then buy the Savage 12LRP for under $1000 shipped+transfer.

One of my hanging points is that the action on 11LRH and 12LRP has a black rough-textured finish, and I prefer polished stainless steel. It would look like a frankenrifle with the black action paired to a shiny new SS bull barrel, not to mention I would have a used stock and barrel that would need to be sold off (not something I want to deal with).

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

...you can always sell your takeoff stock and barrel...

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...you can always sell your takeoff stock and barrel... </div></div>
True, but I would still be stuck with a badly mismatched finish on the action and barrel. Selling the exist rifle complete seems like a better option at this point.

 

[Topstrap]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

I think it's pretty darn cool to shoot an ugly gun. The barrel would be SS anyway unless you painted everything to match. A buddy of mine bought the LRP in 260 and it shoots extremely well but it has a hunting style stock meaning angled grip area. That is probably the only thing I don't like on it but you could have the same thing (even better) by converting yours over and selling your remnants.

Was just a thought, didn't see where you were from. If you were close to OH we'd be more than happy to let you see our home built ugly sticks and shoot them. Either way you'll be happy with a Savage although you might not get to set with the "cool crowd" at the matches.

Topstrap

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

they don't give points for good lookin rifles.

how about keep what you have, rebarrel it. restock it, as you said you were going to do that to the 12 anyway, so your spending some more on a new rifle + $ for a new stock. then you still have the savage manufactured barrel (which isn't a bad thing) but you can step up to a match grade barrel by rebarreling.

so keeping what you have as far as the action goes and restocking with a stock that is more usable & rebarreling with a match barrel will cost you about as much as the mdl 12 without any further mods (the stock and barrel it came with).

some budget stocks that is better than what you have:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/161586/...synthetic-black

still want or need a cheekpiece?
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=111998&CAT=3605

http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/26-06-02
http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/26-06-12
http://www.eabco.com/store/savage-rifle-...lly-adjustable/

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/761001?cm_vc=S014

there's a good thread here somewhere on DIY rebarreling a savage, that'll save you some labor costs. use the search function, "savage rebarrel or barrel change or caliber change"

Axeman here is a savage guru and is usually willing to help, you could probably PM him for advice.


check savage shooters too on barrel swaps.

buying a simple barrel nut tool and a little how to knowledge can save you some $.

http://www.eabco.com/store/savage-rifle-accessories/savage-accuracy-barrels-custom-barrels-by-eabco/

http://www.shilen.com/savageBarrels.html

http://www.ershawbarrels.com/scb-twist-rates.php

http://www.eabco.com/Savage_Rifle_Barrels_by_E_R_Shaw.html

look here for all sorts of stuff:
http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/

put savage competition or match barrel into google, it'll let you know where to go.


within a week (minus shipping) you should have the rifle you want with the features you desire.

like bottom metal and hi cap mags?

http://www.cdiprecisiongunworks.com/
http://sharpshootersupply.com/Magazines.html

there's a bunch of threads here too on bottom metal and mags, google too.

like shiney sparkley stuff?
http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/savage%20performance.htm

 

[Bluejazz]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Tag for future refence.
Great imfo from TopPredator

 

[fdkay]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Since when is an HS Precision stock "worthless"?

No, they aren't the best stock in the world, but they are well made and feature a full length aluminum bedding block.

The rifles that I have that sport an HS stock are all very accurate.

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Thank you TOP PREDATOR, that's a treasure trove of information!

I'm grateful that you shared those Choate stocks; several have caught my eye and will need research. They get pricey, but thankfully the stock can move from gun to gun and last a lifetime.

I've seen a lot of information about how easy Savage barrels are to change, so it's very possible I might purchase a short action with stainless steel finish and mount one of those heavy bull barrels from Shilen or E. R. Shaw.

Pacific Tool & Gauge and Sharp Shooter Supply are new to me, but I sure am glad you pointed them out. The stock Savage bolt head leaves much to be desired, and the machined version looks like a more durable alternative.

I'm likely to keep the Savage 11LRH in one piece and sell it off, but this gives me a really good head start on an affordable custom build. I sincerely appreciate your time in putting together this information.

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

@fdkay: It's good to hear that the H-S Precision stocks work well for you. The one that comes with the Savage 12LRP lacks adjustable functions and accessory rail, and has a swept grip. With exception to the grip, I can modify the stock with those other items, so it comes down to the overall decision on building versus buying.

 

[slowyellow]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Das Capitolin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...you can always sell your takeoff stock and barrel... </div></div>
True, but I would still be <span style="font-weight: bold">stuck with a badly mismatched finish</span> on the action and barrel. Selling the exist rifle complete seems like a better option at this point. </div></div>

You could always coat it. It's fairly easy and looks great when done.

 

[steve123]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

My advise is to do as I and probably most of the members here on the Hide have done to one extent or another.

Go through "all" that stuff you have collecting dust-not being used-don't like, etc, you get the picture and sell it. Then start over with a (possibly used to save money) higher quality action, trigger, DBM, stock, etc. It'l be a process but a fun one seeing how everything comes together. The most important part of this process is hiring a good honest gunsmith to put components together for you. Nothing worse than a bad gunsmith!

Something I've come to appreciate more than anything when it comes to a rifle is stock fit and ergonomics. You will flat out shoot better with a rifle that fits "you" well and feels good to you, !they are different! Therefore I suggest a stock or chassis system with adjustable cheek rest and length of pull. Don't overlook chassis systems because they are a DIY install, come with DBM and might not need bedding which can save money.

You specified a short action and a shiny action other wise I'd tell you to take G24's advise. I rate the Tikka T3 action tops for quality in the factory action category.

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Thank you for the ideas, guys! This isn't going to be an easy decision, or one I make too quickly.

I am not totally sold on the Savage 12LRP, but for under $1000 it's nearly ideal right out of the box. Conversely, I've been introduced to several components that would build an extremely nice competition rifle. I can buy a new Savage target action (stainless finish) that includes both bolt and barrel hardware for $500, or find a Remington 700SA alternative. There are a few stocks by Choate, Bell & Carlson, and Manners that might be a good fit, and I've got the entire winter to find people who have them to test fit and feel. There are a myriad of Barrel options that I like, all 26" or longer and in heavy bull profile with stainless steel finish.

 

[Ring]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

some savages i built...

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Was the action on the first rifle originally stainless and then treated with black nitride? Also, what action is it from?

 

[Ring]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

pic 1 2 3 are stevens 200 short actions, with schillen super match's

the actions were blue, the bbl was SS, all were nitrided by H&M

the last is a LRPV SS, tan nitrided by H&M



SAV1 trigger
PTG fluted bolt
TacOps bolt handel
Mcrees DBM stock /10rd mags
ERGO grip
accushot mono pod
Weaver TAC 20 moa base

 

[fdkay]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Das Capitolin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">@fdkay: It's good to hear that the H-S Precision stocks work well for you. The one that comes with the Savage 12LRP lacks adjustable functions and accessory rail, and has a swept grip. With exception to the grip, I can modify the stock with those other items, so it comes down to the overall decision on building versus buying. </div></div>

Fair enough.
The way I interpreted it led me to believe that the stock itself was crap.

You have a couple of options.
You could get the 12LRP and sell the stock. You should be able to get at least 200 for it. A new, non-folding McCrees chassis is about 615 dollars for the savage short action.
That will give you the adjustability and modularity that you require.

You could also just get the chassis for your existing rifle and screw on a new barrel when funds permit.

The tools to change the barrel yourself will run about 150. That is for a barrel vise, wrench and go/no go gages.
A new barrel will run around 285 to 350 for a stainless steel barrel.

I recommend the barrel vise over the action wrench, it is far easier in the long run.

 

[Das Capitolin]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

I'm narrowing down my options, in hope of making a decision sometime soon.

Currently my preference favors 1.0"+ heavy bull/0.9" tactical MTU barrel profiles, since all of my shooting will be done supported in the prone position. If I were to replace the 26" barrel (measuring 0.735" before muzzle brake) on my Savage 11LRH, it would require either a lot of grinding on the existing lightweight stock (not ideal), or getting something more durable to turn this rifle into a semi-custom build. This could probably be done inside of a a few months.

My other option is to sell the 11LRH, buy the Savage 12LRP along with a Target Action to facilitate a custom build. Between the backlog on barrels and delay on gunsmith availability, it could be many months (up to a year) before the custom rifle is finished. In the mean time, I've got a suitable shooter for competitions with the 12LRP.

Decisions, decisions.

 

[DernHumpus]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Just buy the 12LRP.

I've had mine a month it shoots great. I did a quick load development with 6 loads. All were sub MOA. 3 were under .5 MOA and the best was .35" at 100y. Shoots pretty good for a factory rifle and minimal load development.

 

[Hawk45]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

The HS stock can be modified with a little ingenuity. You don't like the grip, screw on a piece of wood and Bondo it or use some fiberglass/resen. Adjustable kydex cheek pices are easy to find (see above and add Karsten also). Adding a rail in place of the sling stud is easy as well. Just depends on how much fun you want to have and $$ you want to save. Selling the stock and getting a preferred dropin is always an option as mentioned as well. Good luck. Love my .260 12LRP

 

[jolofree]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

Alpha 11 from SAC
Kreiger MTU 8tw 25"
McMillan A4
Surgeon DBM
Jackson 22 Tactical
Seekins
Atlas bp

+ lots of ammo

 

[Switchbarrel]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Das Capitolin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm narrowing down my options, in hope of making a decision sometime soon.

Currently my preference favors 1.0"+ heavy bull.

My other option is to sell the 11LRH, buy the Savage 12LRP along with a Target Action to facilitate a custom build. Between the backlog on barrels and delay on gunsmith availability, it could be many months (up to a year) before the custom rifle is finished.

Decisions, decisions. </div></div>

It sounds like you have the answer. Now just ($hit or) get off the pot and buy the Target action and Criterion barrel from Jim Briggs at NSS. I haven't spoken to him recently but, he's usually got a decent supply of pre-chambered barrels in stock. B&C A2 stock or Manners or Stockade stocks and you're in business. The stock should be the longest wait. You should definitely have something together in ~4 months if you order now.

Bugholes, Grizzly, Bruno's, Savageguy (screen name on accurate shooter) all have lots of barrels in stock, ready to go.

Lots of gunsmiths, Benchrest quality work, with sub 2 month waits for chambering.

You have many options, just need to look.

-Rick

 

[swampbuck]

Re: New Long-Range Competition Rifle Build (260 REM)

I would probably stay away from the ER Shaw or EB barrels (they have no accuracy guarentee). They are fine for hunting and they make a good product for the price but going a little more for a shilen, centurian, or something of that pedigree would be well worth it to me. I would see about laying hands on that Tikka it looks like it will suit you well to me. I have a Hart barreled 700 with an HS Police Stock on it. It is easily a quarter minute rifle. I put some of that camo self clinging wrap around the palm swell to fill it out and although different it feels great and I have no trouble grouping the same with it as my A3 rifle. Don't rule out the Choate stocks. I know they get no love here but check this out.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek096.html