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Think it's possible to knock down an RC plane weighing something like 20 lb's or wingspan of 6 feet at 300 yards in less than a minute? Not something fast, just a ersatz UAV.

Would you think that would make a good competition?

Or just plain to hard to hit?
 
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I would be more concerned about the back stop and where those bullets are landing more than if anyone is hitting a fast flying target.
 
Re: stupid question

Your many years late in thinking,
look here 5.56x45 brought one down. One guy on the quad was fair but never had any AA training, the other guy knows how to saw a quad.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

Thanks shankster! I take that as good evidence that at 300 yards, a RC plane is safe unless a horde of full auto weapons are unleashed.

If I was in battle and one was eyeballing me, I would want a way to stop it. I don't think that is the right solution.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

You need to get it into shotgun range then take all that practice you had at GAV and DAV's (Goose Aerial vehicle & Duck Aerial vehicle) and put it to work!
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

We used to shoot table 12 live fires on crittenburg range on fort hood where during the "enemy" counterattack they would fly foam rc planes over the target area and we tried to shoot it down, now this was an entire infantry platoon with saws, 240's, m16's and even the Bradley's would shoot 25mm and coax at em. We shot it down every time as I recall but yes that was a lot of firepower so under your criteria it's pretty unlikely however one round can take one down if its hit right
 
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My brother shot an arrow while in flight with a BB gun when we were 6 and 8 yrs old. Anything is possible but is it practical? Bring your plane and I'll bring the bullets. It would be fun regardless of the outcome.
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Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

In the Reagan days during the summer of 1982 at the Infantry Officer's Basic Course at Fort Benning, Georgia, we had a live-fire small arms for air defense (SAFAD) demonstration on one of the ranges.

I was one of the young butter bars in a squad chosen to go to the line to try and shoot down a small remote control airplane with a 6-foot wingspan. Each of us had our M16 with a 30-round magazine, and we had a pintle-mounted .50-cal on top of two M113 Armored Personnel Carriers.

The operator flew the plane about 100-200 meters downrange and parallel to the firing line, jinking and swerving like an Argentine A4 Sky Hawk in the Falklands. Each of us with an M16 had a 30-round magazine and could fire either semi or full-auto, our choice. The .50s each had a can of ammo.

We opened up and filled the sky with tracers trying to down that little bastard (which was surprisingly fast and agile). Once we ran dry the operator brought the little plane across our front for a final victory roll, a figurative finger to the young officers, before making a gentle turn and landing in front of us.

Total damage was a grazing hit on the vertical tail fin and a non-critical hole in a wing.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

There has just got to be a way for a man to carry a way to knock out one of those tiny, cheap flying spies out of the sky. I wonder what it would take to fill another RC plane with explosives and fly it near the other plane. I bet today's cell phones could control it. Maybe you could watch what a camera in the rc planes nose sees in the phone...
 
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What can you learn by having their tools intact, in hand?

Best way is to take RF control, which is not very hard at all. The parabolic that is used by the "Dish network" works perfect for the task. Everything you need can be found at "HRO" "MFJ" an "Buxcom", or the like (radio shack is a waste of time for this) which are Ham Radio on line stores. A bullet or explosive is not always the best course of action, if your really looking to win a war. Probe their defenses, while studying their response an tactics. Liberate their tools and learn that items usage/tactics/weakness. When the time is right use all their methods against them, while providing them a teaching lesson,...the hard way. When you start, finish the job the first time.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best way is to take RF control, which is not very hard at all. </div></div>

Only takes one bullet, if he's stupid enough to stand where you can see him.



1911fan
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1911fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best way is to take RF control, which is not very hard at all. </div></div>

Only takes one bullet, if he's stupid enough to stand where you can see him.



1911fan </div></div>

Two words,... Amsat-Oscar,... we hams use them all the time. All you need is the Freq an spread, which both can be found local and shot to the station fixing to take control. The rest is but a, pot tune up, an over powering signal, away. Nothing is w/o a counter and FR jamming is as old as the first CQ an QSO. Marconi may have invented it, but others have perfected it somewhat, along the way. Battlefield electronics, the two way, that is 100% geek controlled.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

I don't want the thing, I want to stop it from spying on troops.
If it is capable of spying, I would assume that the operator is looking "through" it, not at it in sight of the troops.
And I would bet a whale of a lot that the control signal is encrypted and while you might be able to drown it out, IMU chips are available at digikey and the thing would just fly straight and level until it is out of the problem area. I know squat about comms, but something like pulse interval modulation would be really hard to drown out if you can put all your power into a pulses.

I really like the hypermagnum shotgun approach. If war was just a video game, it would be the hot ticket.

I bet if some appropriate range put out a really big prize, someone such as hide members would come up with a way to shoot them down. It's not man portable, but isn't the bushmaster round that goes of at a certain range? I wonder if you could carry something like a specialized portable rifle that could fire a round if braced against the ground. Something like a mk79 grenade launcher with a spike to stick against a wall...

I can always make stupid answers for for my stupid question!
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

Whose "troops"? Who and where are you exactly? And don't give me some cryptic answer or you will be permanently banned immediately.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

I believe he is deep in a mom bunker(basement) with many layers of tinfoil on thee head
 
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Guess you don't know how to answer a question. Good bye.
 
Re: rc plane beats rifleman?

Rob01, My apologies for not taking your question seriously enough. I tried to say I was not one of the troops needing protection. You wanted to ensure I was trying to protect our armed forces. I did not realize you were a moderator with a real need of a serious answer, or I would have spent more time parsing your question instead of a firing off a quick answer to a rude forum member.

I have worked with Frank and I am not at all sure I am allowed to answer enough questions to make people happy here. Please know I spend my years protecting our troops while I go back to lurk mode.

I would like to point out while there are some ranges were it would be safe to work on this problem, at most ranges it would not be at all safe. I do hope someone works on this problem. I believe that it is not likely to look profitable enough for large companies to attempt to address it.
 
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EDIT: Method removed - not giving away any info to a person with 12 posts.

Guaranteed. I fly them. I believe all military applications are on 5.8ghz, but I fly 2.4ghz as it's a bit more stable.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mdrcktscntst</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Think it's possible to knock down an RC plane weighing something like 20 lb's or wingspan of 6 feet at 300 yards in less than a minute? Not something fast, just a ersatz UAV.

Would you think that would make a good competition?

Or just plain to hard to hit? </div></div>

Don't mind me asking but are you on the good guy side or bad guy side trying to take down one of the US Military's drones?
 
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I am employed full time on the good guys side and take that very seriously. The problem is if you know the answer to something, or even know why there is not yet an answer, you are not allowed to talk about it. So anyone talking in public likely is a novice in that field. I was hoping to learn something. That can be a little hard around here. It also looks like treating a subject lightly is problematic.
 
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My opinion is if your trying to discuss something of a sensitive nature on an open forum shame on you, there are a lot better resources or agencies to help I you in fact work for one. Discuss what it is openly without all the secret nods and winks and handshakes and vague ass posts, or don't and drive on. This thread stinks of rotten bunghole
 
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