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Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Depends on what caliber you're shooting, but for the most part yes, to keep it simple
Depends on what caliber you're shooting, but for the most part yes, to keep it simple
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
A scope with 70 MOA elevation travel will have slightly less than half that value upward travel after zeroing at 100 yd. The scope should come from the factory optically centered with respect to turret travel, so you get half the total in either direction. With a flat base, this will leave you somewhere in the neighborhood of 32-33 MOA elevation (up) travel from a 100 yd zero. So a lot depends on the ballistics of the load you're using, and the conditions of where you normally shoot (specifically elevation). If it's a .308 with commercial 175s leaving the pipe at 2650 fps, you'll probably be able to reach 1000 yd with around 2 MOA to spare, based on some generic conditions (1000 ft elevation, 50% humidity, 75 degrees temp). Also be aware that the optical quality will begin to go downhill when you start nearing extremes of turret travel, so you'll probably be better off with a 20 MOA base if your load will require more than 28-30 MOA to reach 1000 yd.
A scope with 70 MOA elevation travel will have slightly less than half that value upward travel after zeroing at 100 yd. The scope should come from the factory optically centered with respect to turret travel, so you get half the total in either direction. With a flat base, this will leave you somewhere in the neighborhood of 32-33 MOA elevation (up) travel from a 100 yd zero. So a lot depends on the ballistics of the load you're using, and the conditions of where you normally shoot (specifically elevation). If it's a .308 with commercial 175s leaving the pipe at 2650 fps, you'll probably be able to reach 1000 yd with around 2 MOA to spare, based on some generic conditions (1000 ft elevation, 50% humidity, 75 degrees temp). Also be aware that the optical quality will begin to go downhill when you start nearing extremes of turret travel, so you'll probably be better off with a 20 MOA base if your load will require more than 28-30 MOA to reach 1000 yd.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Depends on the load you're running/ballistics. My .308 dope was 37 MOA at 100 yards. You may luck out and get 40 or so MOA up after 100 yard zero. I had a scope like that once, had about 10% more up than down.
Depends on the load you're running/ballistics. My .308 dope was 37 MOA at 100 yards. You may luck out and get 40 or so MOA up after 100 yard zero. I had a scope like that once, had about 10% more up than down.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
I think the Vortex pst viper I had was 65 moa -on a 300wsm
I think we figured it past 1600 yards? Maybe as far as 1800?
Does this sound about right?
I wander how far a Leupold MKIV ER/T 6 -24x50 ffp would take
me on the 300wsm.....the markiv has the 70 moa
I think the Vortex pst viper I had was 65 moa -on a 300wsm
I think we figured it past 1600 yards? Maybe as far as 1800?
Does this sound about right?
I wander how far a Leupold MKIV ER/T 6 -24x50 ffp would take
me on the 300wsm.....the markiv has the 70 moa
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
I shoot a 300 wsm with the better vld 168, so what I'm taking out of all the advice is to get the 20 moa rail?
I shoot a 300 wsm with the better vld 168, so what I'm taking out of all the advice is to get the 20 moa rail?
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: little_lost51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot a 300 wsm with the better vld 168, so what I'm taking out of all the advice is to get the 20 moa rail? </div></div>
It wouldn't hurt. With a 300 WSM you can go well beyond 1K. Why limit the possibilities?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: little_lost51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot a 300 wsm with the better vld 168, so what I'm taking out of all the advice is to get the 20 moa rail? </div></div>
It wouldn't hurt. With a 300 WSM you can go well beyond 1K. Why limit the possibilities?
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulL01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the Vortex pst viper I had was 65 moa -on a 300wsm
I think we figured it past 1600 yards? Maybe as far as 1800?
Does this sound about right?
I wander how far a Leupold MKIV ER/T 6 -24x50 ffp would take
me on the 300wsm.....the markiv has the 70 moa </div></div>
I dont think your math adds up. I think with the Vortex Viper PST and the 20 MOA rail I could get to 1600 yards with a 300 RUM with 210 Bergers.
Actual travel of the scope will only be around half with a standard uncanted base.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulL01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the Vortex pst viper I had was 65 moa -on a 300wsm
I think we figured it past 1600 yards? Maybe as far as 1800?
Does this sound about right?
I wander how far a Leupold MKIV ER/T 6 -24x50 ffp would take
me on the 300wsm.....the markiv has the 70 moa </div></div>
I dont think your math adds up. I think with the Vortex Viper PST and the 20 MOA rail I could get to 1600 yards with a 300 RUM with 210 Bergers.
Actual travel of the scope will only be around half with a standard uncanted base.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
I forgot to mention it has a 20 moa rail.
My shootin pardner did the figuring.
We were figuring 190 Bergers
plus holding 20 on the reticle
I forgot to mention it has a 20 moa rail.
My shootin pardner did the figuring.
We were figuring 190 Bergers
plus holding 20 on the reticle
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Thank-you, this forum is the best thing I've found!!
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Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
The PST had 52 moa left from a 100 yard zero on the 300 wsm with the 190. I think with the load I'm working on now with reloader 22 it was 15 moa from 200 to 670 so I may be able to stretch it out a good ways.
The PST had 52 moa left from a 100 yard zero on the 300 wsm with the 190. I think with the load I'm working on now with reloader 22 it was 15 moa from 200 to 670 so I may be able to stretch it out a good ways.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
if you are going to do long range shooting i don't really see a reason to not get a 20 moa base. it should be fine out to 1000 yards. i shot 308 out of a 700 to 1000 yards and with the 20 moa base i still had a ways to go with my scope, which is a pst.
if you are going to do long range shooting i don't really see a reason to not get a 20 moa base. it should be fine out to 1000 yards. i shot 308 out of a 700 to 1000 yards and with the 20 moa base i still had a ways to go with my scope, which is a pst.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Pardon my ignorance ... If your turrets have resettable zero, what keeps you from turning them down to 5 MOA above absolute min, with perhaps a 20+ MOA rail, turn up to and adjust up to zero? Wouldn't this leave the max if the total adjustment range for elevation above zero?
I am just puzzled why a factory-set middle point would make the down portion of the adjustment range into such a waste.
Thanks,
P
Pardon my ignorance ... If your turrets have resettable zero, what keeps you from turning them down to 5 MOA above absolute min, with perhaps a 20+ MOA rail, turn up to and adjust up to zero? Wouldn't this leave the max if the total adjustment range for elevation above zero?
I am just puzzled why a factory-set middle point would make the down portion of the adjustment range into such a waste.
Thanks,
P
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prep for Zombies</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon my ignorance ... If your turrets have resettable zero, what keeps you from turning them down to 5 MOA above absolute min, with perhaps a 20+ MOA rail, turn up to and adjust up to zero? Wouldn't this leave the max if the total adjustment range for elevation above zero?
I am just puzzled why a factory-set middle point would make the down portion of the adjustment range into such a waste.
Thanks,
P</div></div>
Watch this, you'll understand in 13:53.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prep for Zombies</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon my ignorance ... If your turrets have resettable zero, what keeps you from turning them down to 5 MOA above absolute min, with perhaps a 20+ MOA rail, turn up to and adjust up to zero? Wouldn't this leave the max if the total adjustment range for elevation above zero?
I am just puzzled why a factory-set middle point would make the down portion of the adjustment range into such a waste.
Thanks,
P</div></div>
Watch this, you'll understand in 13:53.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Think of it this way:
The consensus says to use a 20 moa base. What reasons might you have NOT TO??
Think of it this way:
The consensus says to use a 20 moa base. What reasons might you have NOT TO??
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Savage 10fcp 308
EGW 20moa rail
elite 3200 10x scope
100yd zero
I used 96 MOA-99 MOA in the scope to hit 1k depending on temp.
Savage 10fcp 308
EGW 20moa rail
elite 3200 10x scope
100yd zero
I used 96 MOA-99 MOA in the scope to hit 1k depending on temp.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
With the exception of the USO erek which is completely different than just resetting the knob.
With the exception of the USO erek which is completely different than just resetting the knob.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Rather than just guess and throw parts at your rifle...
Look at your ballistics tables for your round and see how much elevation you need. Then with your 100 yd zero set and a very stable shooting position aim at some fixed point and dial your elevation up. You'll see your reticle move away from point of aim. Keep turning it until the rerticle stops moving then just look at your elevation turret and see how far you just dialed up...that's how much "up" elevation you have.
If its not enough then get a base. If it is enough you can gain even more using hold-overs for the occasional blast past your max. If you're going to shoot past 1k often OR if your max elevation is too close to 1K then a base would be wise, if not you're not gaining a thing.
Rather than just guess and throw parts at your rifle...
Look at your ballistics tables for your round and see how much elevation you need. Then with your 100 yd zero set and a very stable shooting position aim at some fixed point and dial your elevation up. You'll see your reticle move away from point of aim. Keep turning it until the rerticle stops moving then just look at your elevation turret and see how far you just dialed up...that's how much "up" elevation you have.
If its not enough then get a base. If it is enough you can gain even more using hold-overs for the occasional blast past your max. If you're going to shoot past 1k often OR if your max elevation is too close to 1K then a base would be wise, if not you're not gaining a thing.
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
Well, the one reason NOT to get a 20MOA base is if your were shooting very close range and had limited vertical adjustment range on your reticle. Simply put, with a .300mag-anything, you likely aren't zeroing it for close in shots, no? So yeah, the 20MOA base will give you more adjustment for drop at longer ranges. So even if you don't NEED the 20MOA base after calculating the drop at 1000 using your preferred bullet now, you may in the future change bullets and range, say a 210gr. at 1500m+ and then you may need that extra bit of drop on your adjustment.
Hell, I got the 20MOA base for a .300BLK and 2.5-8x Leupold and I use 115gr. to 210gr. from 25m to 300m and I have no problems with adjustment range.
Short answer, given your caliber, I'd say get the 20MOA. Like said above, worst you can do is limit your adjustment/range if you decide to use heavier bullets at longer ranges.
Good luck, safe shooting, happy holidays!
Well, the one reason NOT to get a 20MOA base is if your were shooting very close range and had limited vertical adjustment range on your reticle. Simply put, with a .300mag-anything, you likely aren't zeroing it for close in shots, no? So yeah, the 20MOA base will give you more adjustment for drop at longer ranges. So even if you don't NEED the 20MOA base after calculating the drop at 1000 using your preferred bullet now, you may in the future change bullets and range, say a 210gr. at 1500m+ and then you may need that extra bit of drop on your adjustment.
Hell, I got the 20MOA base for a .300BLK and 2.5-8x Leupold and I use 115gr. to 210gr. from 25m to 300m and I have no problems with adjustment range.
Short answer, given your caliber, I'd say get the 20MOA. Like said above, worst you can do is limit your adjustment/range if you decide to use heavier bullets at longer ranges.
Good luck, safe shooting, happy holidays!
Re: do i need a 20 moa rail to shoot 1000 yards
The down base lets you keep the erector as close to 'mechanical' center as possible. Unless you have a USO with EREK, The higher (or lower) the erector moves inside, the less windage travel you get. And you don't want to bottom out your turret.
The video referenced above is very well done. Worth watching!
I did not see what you are shooting, but for a .308 at 1000 a down base is pretty much a necessity.
Cheers,
Sirhr
The down base lets you keep the erector as close to 'mechanical' center as possible. Unless you have a USO with EREK, The higher (or lower) the erector moves inside, the less windage travel you get. And you don't want to bottom out your turret.
The video referenced above is very well done. Worth watching!
I did not see what you are shooting, but for a .308 at 1000 a down base is pretty much a necessity.
Cheers,
Sirhr
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