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Can I travel to CA with a M1A

Re: Can I travel to CA with a M1A

The best explanation I could find. It is from the 1911 Forum....

If you look at the CA legal M1A you'll see that instead of slots there are a series of holes - in CA on that model that marks the difference between a not legal FH and a legal brake. In CA, brakes and compensators are legal on centerfire semi auto rifles with detach magazines.

An FH is not illegal per se in CA, they are legal and can be used on bolt actions and rimfires and on fixed magazine semi auto rifles. It's the combo of centerfire semi auto with detach mags that causes the issue.

The whole "is it an FH or a brake?" discussion in CA can take about 20 pages.
 
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If it's that old is it even affected by the ban there? I'm not familiar with how cali's ban works.
 
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Age does not matter, it is a by feature law. Simply put, a detachable mag semi auto becomes an assault weapon once you add a pistol grip or a flashhider.

So to be in compliance in Kali an M1A would need a muzzle brake or you would need to make the 10 round magazine non removable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sandbogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So to be in compliance in Kali an M1A would need a muzzle brake or you would need to make the 10 round magazine non removable.</div></div>

Exactly. Most M1As you see in CA fall into one of 3 categories:

- unchanged because they are registered assault weapons (c. 2000)

- use a muzzle brake and no more than 10 round mag (this is how most are purchased new these days)

- have a fixed mag or require a tool to remove mag (don't see too many of these though)

You have to be in compliance with one of those if you bring an M1A into CA and there's no way to register an AW now that window expired in 2000. The one big exception is for active duty military who PCS to CA but it appears there may have been a recent change. Stupid yes, but it's the law for now.

More detailed info here:
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Moving_to_California_with_firearms
 
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Are you just driving through, or stopping overnight or for any length of time? To be safe, a muzzle brake would be best. You can pick up the SA Inc. Unit fairly cheap used if you look around.
 
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1. If your start point and destination are both outside California, in other words, if you're just driving though, can't you bring whatever you want, as long as it's locked up in the trunk or whatever? I'm asking, not telling. I'm not clear on this myself.

2. Semi-related: What is required to have a gun in California if you're just visiting. For example, if I fly out to California and bring a bolt-gun, with the intention of shooting it while I'm there and then flying out, would there be any trouble? Or in the OP's case, if he does ditch the flash hider, and wants to stop and shoot his M1A at a local range or something.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaguide</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the Law regarding M1A’s in California.

I have to drive through CA a few times this winter and want to have my M1A with me.

It is a full length rifle built in the late 70’s or early 80’s.

What do I have to do to stay ok with CA laws
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No flash hiders, pistol grips, telescoping stocks. If it's an older one you probably have to swap out the flash hider, no biggie.

As far as the mags go I'd just say I bought them in Sacramento when I was working here years ago, or visiting family or something. There is a clause that permits possession of them if you had them pre 2000.

It's not like there's a border checkpoint where they'll tear your car apart looking for contraband or something, as long as your rifle is legal nobody will give a shit. Just don't try to take it to Mexico and you'll be fine.
 
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Thanks guys for the info.

BCP My M1A mags came from a small gun shop in San Mateo Ca in 1978. Chuns Guns owned by Al Chun. I wonder if he is still there. He was a fantastic gunsmith and treated me well.


I will be just passing through from Oregon to the shot show in NV. I will spend a night or two in CA with friends.

I have a break on one of my M1A's so that is the one I will bring. Hope to do some shooting at a few ranges on my trip.

Everything will be in a lock box.

I feel sad for all the shooters that are stuck in CA. The antigun nuts have made it into a $h!t hole for shooters and taken away most of your second amendment.


 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaguide</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I feel sad for all the shooters that are stuck in CA. The antigun nuts have made it into a $h!t hole for shooters and taken away most of your second amendment.
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The Legislature here now has a supermajority of Democrats so it's only going to get worse.
 
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The late grate state of California!!
I Grew up there and left for Alaska as soon as I finished school. As a young kid I would ride my bicycle down the main streets with my shotgun strapped on the handle bars. Rode from the hills in Redwood City to the salt flats to hunt ducks and jack rabbits. During high school my shot gun was often in my truck during school, my shop teacher and I would hunt in the mornings before school. Home Ed teacher taught me how to cook wild birds and make rabbit stew.

Sad how things have changed!
 
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Its bad here, and not going to get better anytime soon
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I use to shoot the NRA Regionals and 1000 yard matches in 29 Palms every year. I took my M1A Super match (with standard flash hider, bayonet lug and 20 round mags.

As I understood, you can take such rifle to California for a match.

Never had a problem flying in and hauling the rifles with rental cars.

Did that change??????
 
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Taken from CalDOJ website.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#9

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel Yours would not be registered as said above. I don't think I would risk it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If I have a large-capacity magazine, do I need to get rid of it?
No. Continued possession of large-capacity magazines (able to accept more than 10 rounds) that you owned in California before January 1, 2000, is not prohibited. However as of January 1, 2000, it is illegal to buy, manufacture, import, keep for sale, expose for sale, give or lend any large-capacity magazine in California except by law enforcement agencies, California peace officers, or licensed dealers.

(PC Section 12020 (b)(19-29))


REGISTERED ASSAULT WEAPONS

California Penal Code section 12285(c)(7) requires that registered assault weapons may be transported only between specified locations and must be unloaded and in a locked container when transported.

The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment. For more information, refer to California Penal Code Section 12026.1.
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Re: Can I travel to CA with a M1A

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mumbles</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. If your start point and destination are both outside California, in other words, if you're just driving though, can't you bring whatever you want, as long as it's locked up in the trunk or whatever? I'm asking, not telling. I'm not clear on this myself.

2. Semi-related: What is required to have a gun in California if you're just visiting. For example, if I fly out to California and bring a bolt-gun, with the intention of shooting it while I'm there and then flying out, would there be any trouble? Or in the OP's case, if he does ditch the flash hider, and wants to stop and shoot his M1A at a local range or something. </div></div>

1. I believe the answer would be no you cannot do that.

2. Ditch the flash hider for something that is legal and insert a 10 rd mag and he is g2g. You're fine with a bolt action, as long as it's not a .50 cal. The laws on bolt-actions are fine here, but no suppressors.
 
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For an M1A with the original configuration stock without a pistol grip (i.e. no Sage chassis, etc.) you can bring it into the state legally if you swap out the flash suppressor for a muzzle brake. The grandfathering for over 10 round magazines is if you legally possessed magazines of over 10 rounds in California prior to Jan 1, 2000 you can continue to possess, use, repair, etc those magazines. So if your an out of state resident visiting California you can't bring in mags over 10 rds.

kraigWY said he brought his rifle to shoot the NRA Regionals. There is a narrow exception for out of state residents to bring in firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" legally if they are attending an organized shooting competition.

The California definition of "assault weapon" is so convoluted and confusing you need a flow chart to understand it. The best place to see the flow chart is here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index

The tab at the top called "Flowcharts and OLL Assembly Guide" contains detailed flow charts to understand what is legal and what is not.

Calguns.net is the best resource I have found on what firearms related is and isn't legal in California.

I'll try to summarize the big picture basics:

1) The original assault weapons (AW) ban was in 1989 and banned firearms by name. If you already owned them, you could register your "assault weapon". A registered assault weapon (RAW) could be legally owned and used in the state but you can't transfer them within the state of California. If you sell or gift it, it has to be to someone outside California. The original list was added to by the Attorney General until Jan 2007 when the legislature stopped the AG from adding firearms to the list. Why would they do that? Because everytime the AG added to the list, existing owners of such AWs had to be allowed to register them, and the anti gunners hated increasing the number of RAWs in California.

2) In 2000, the legislature amended the AW ban to ban firearms by characteristic. Basically, a semi auto centerfire rifle with detachable magazine became an AW if it had any one of the following: pistol grip, thumbhole stock, flash suppressor, folding or telescoping stock, forward pistol grip, grenade or flare launcher. The definition of detachable magazine is where the mag can be detached (not attached) to the rifle without use of a tool (and a cartridge case or bullet is considered a tool). Furthermore a fixed magazine rifle like the SKS was an AW if the mag held more than 10 rounds. Once again, the 2000 ban gave existing owners the chance to register their firearms.

The 2000 legislation also banned further sales and importation into the state of magazines of capacity greater than 10 rounds. If you owned them prior to the ban date, you could continue to own, use, and repair those magazines.

3) In 2006 the legislature further amended the ban to say that any rifle chambered for the .50 BMG cartridge was an AW.

The registration periods for RAWs have all since passed, so even if you owned an "assault weapon" before the ban, if you didn't register it already, there is no way to register it now.

Around 2005 someone invented the Bullet Button which replaced the AR mag release with a release that requires a bullet tip, punch, or other tool to release the mag, which when used with a 10 rd. or less mag, makes that rifle a legal fixed magazine rifle in California (as long as the lower is not on the list of banned by name firearms). Using a bullet button is more cumbersome and not all that ergonomic, but it allows CA gun owners to legally buy and own AR type rifles. That is why there are hundreds of thousands or more of legally owned AR and other semi auto rifles that have been bought and sold since 2005.
 
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http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

It's a little confusing, but basically if your rifle doesn't have any of these features:

-pistol grip
-forward pistol grip
-flash suppressor
-folding or collapsible stock
-thumbhole stock
-gernade launcher or flare launcher

then you're fine, if it is just a standard M1A with a wood stock, then all you would have to do is get rid of the flash suppressor, replace it with something like a muzzle brake or put a thread cap on it, and you should be good to go. So long as you don't have any of the features listed above, you can have a detachable magazine without any sort of thread lock, and you can use magazines larger than 10 rounds so long as they were manufactured before 2000.
 
Re: Can I travel to CA with a M1A

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Km22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mumbles</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. If your start point and destination are both outside California, in other words, if you're just driving though, can't you bring whatever you want, as long as it's locked up in the trunk or whatever? I'm asking, not telling. I'm not clear on this myself.

2. Semi-related: What is required to have a gun in California if you're just visiting. For example, if I fly out to California and bring a bolt-gun, with the intention of shooting it while I'm there and then flying out, would there be any trouble? Or in the OP's case, if he does ditch the flash hider, and wants to stop and shoot his M1A at a local range or something. </div></div>

1. I believe the answer would be no you cannot do that.

2. Ditch the flash hider for something that is legal and insert a 10 rd mag and he is g2g. You're fine with a bolt action, as long as it's not a .50 cal. The laws on bolt-actions are fine here, but no suppressors. </div></div>
The answer to #1 is yes, You can do that. That would be protected by federal law.

EDIT: Now that I'm not typing on my phone, I'll add this. Do it at your own risk. Just because you are protected by federal law doesn't mean that you won't be arrested. Several places like NYC have said that they simply do not acknowledge the federal law as an "exemption", but only as an affirmative defense. In other words, they will arrest you, charge you with the crime, then leave it up to you to prove that you were within the federal guidelines in court.

I've driven through NYC and many other places in the northeast according to the provisions of the FOPA, which details federal preemption regarding the interstate transport firearms subject to state and local bans. Even though I know I'm within the law, I make sure I have a full tank before I pass through, stay under the speed limit, and do not stop for ANY reason.

YMMV with regards to California.
 
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rusty815, in an M1A with a muzzle brake, you can use magazines of larger than 10 round capacity. However, if he's traveling from out of state, he can't bring any std capacity mags over 10 rounds into the state. If he were visiting you and you had a bunch of 20 rd. mags you could go shooting together and you could lend him your 20 rd mags, but he couldn't bring into CA. Now how enforceable that law is is another matter entirely, but if you want to follow the law to a T then he'd have make sure that he's not bringing in any mags greater than 10 rd. capacity.

Another note is in my post, I mentioned the exemption for competitors coming to CA to an organized competition, but that exemption does not apply to magazines, so a competitor from Arizona could travel to CA with his/her AR rifle with pistol grip, detachable mags, etc. to shoot an organized competition, but they couldn't bring their 20 rd. mags with them.
 
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NOTE:

When I go to California to visit, I bring an 870 and a revolver.

I don't feel unarmed and I am completely compliant.

The Law is stupid, but that is why I moved . . . .

BMT
 
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Also-DON'T SPEED, drive calmly with traffic.

Don't make yourself a rolling piece of bait for the Highway patrol.

Everybody I know who got into trouble got pulled over for speeding.

Then the LEO noticed the gun cases and stuff . . .

And then the problem started . . . . . .