i have a Remighton 700P I have tried several reload combinations with the 155g(SMK) I am in desperet need to find a load that can drive tacks at 100 yard. i had a load that whould drive tacks with the 155g (SMK) but i lost it so any imput on power grains and poweder types whould help.
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Re: Remighton 700 Police
You...lost it? As in, it fell out of your pocket? Picking random powder charge weights with random powders isn't going to get you far. Go to the reloading depot and look at which powders other people are getting good results with for your cartridge and bullet. Then methodically work up a load (ladder or OCW) from a safe minimum to a reasonable stopping point, watching for pressure signs. Also, make sure you're using good reloading techniques and your system is capable of what you want.
You...lost it? As in, it fell out of your pocket? Picking random powder charge weights with random powders isn't going to get you far. Go to the reloading depot and look at which powders other people are getting good results with for your cartridge and bullet. Then methodically work up a load (ladder or OCW) from a safe minimum to a reasonable stopping point, watching for pressure signs. Also, make sure you're using good reloading techniques and your system is capable of what you want.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
Which 155 SMK, the 2155 or the 2156?
What kind of powder are you using?
What primers are you using?
What cases are you using? How many times have they been fired?
What kind of MV are you looking for?
What application is this load for?
What distance?
Which 155 SMK, the 2155 or the 2156?
What kind of powder are you using?
What primers are you using?
What cases are you using? How many times have they been fired?
What kind of MV are you looking for?
What application is this load for?
What distance?
Re: Remighton 700 Police
2156 Palmas
Varget
LC LR brass
Fed 210 prime
OAL # in the picture is to the ogive. This load rocks all the way out to 1300yrds. Same rifle.
2156 Palmas
Varget
LC LR brass
Fed 210 prime
OAL # in the picture is to the ogive. This load rocks all the way out to 1300yrds. Same rifle.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
+ 1 on what High Binder recommends.Same load hammers in my Palma Rifle.
Regards,Mike
+ 1 on what High Binder recommends.Same load hammers in my Palma Rifle.
Regards,Mike
Re: Remighton 700 Police
Those 700Ps have pretty fast twist barrels, why don't you try the heavier 168-180gr bullets. That's currently what I'm testing now too, different brands all in that weight range.
Here's a load I'm doing well with right now:
43gr Varget, 178gr HDY A-Max, 2.890" OAL
Have some better ambitions for that gun than 100, those things are good all the way out to 800 for sure, and I've taken my SPS Tactical to 1200.
Those 700Ps have pretty fast twist barrels, why don't you try the heavier 168-180gr bullets. That's currently what I'm testing now too, different brands all in that weight range.
Here's a load I'm doing well with right now:
43gr Varget, 178gr HDY A-Max, 2.890" OAL
Have some better ambitions for that gun than 100, those things are good all the way out to 800 for sure, and I've taken my SPS Tactical to 1200.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
I am not sure of the type of matchkings all i know is they are the 155g palmas. my brass is brand new Win and neck turned.my distance is anything out to 500yd shooting steel.My main purpose is to take my friends money and shooting groups at paper. Ive tried varget in this load and it doesnt like it vary well i have tired varget in my Hornady 165g SSTs and it likes them well. Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours
I am not sure of the type of matchkings all i know is they are the 155g palmas. my brass is brand new Win and neck turned.my distance is anything out to 500yd shooting steel.My main purpose is to take my friends money and shooting groups at paper. Ive tried varget in this load and it doesnt like it vary well i have tired varget in my Hornady 165g SSTs and it likes them well. Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours
Re: Remighton 700 Police
Many questions here about case prep and the rifle itself. what is your C.O.A.L. and have you properly measured the throat of your rifle. When working up the loads did you progress in small incraments. Not trying to be mean just think more information is needed.
Many questions here about case prep and the rifle itself. what is your C.O.A.L. and have you properly measured the throat of your rifle. When working up the loads did you progress in small incraments. Not trying to be mean just think more information is needed.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours </div></div>
Did you read the posts in this thread?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours </div></div>
Did you read the posts in this thread?
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours </div></div>
I listed a load in my post that should work. My gun is the same gun minus 4" of barrel length.
For 100 yards you don't even need to be critical about much, just throw pretty consistent powder charges and seat the bullets around the same length. I'm not being sassy, that's really all you need for 100 - even the top point blank benchrest guys don't fuss over charge weights and seat length as much as you'd think they would. Going 300-600 is where you need to be fussy, but if all you want to do is shoot 100 yards and take your friend's money, you could probably save yourself a ton of time and trouble and your own money by using factory ammo. At 100 yards, you'll never see the improvement in quality that handloading offers, not in 308 anyway. Or at least, not to enough of a degree to make it worth the work.
If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours </div></div>
I listed a load in my post that should work. My gun is the same gun minus 4" of barrel length.
For 100 yards you don't even need to be critical about much, just throw pretty consistent powder charges and seat the bullets around the same length. I'm not being sassy, that's really all you need for 100 - even the top point blank benchrest guys don't fuss over charge weights and seat length as much as you'd think they would. Going 300-600 is where you need to be fussy, but if all you want to do is shoot 100 yards and take your friend's money, you could probably save yourself a ton of time and trouble and your own money by using factory ammo. At 100 yards, you'll never see the improvement in quality that handloading offers, not in 308 anyway. Or at least, not to enough of a degree to make it worth the work.
If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p</div></div>
Why? Do you think that one man's 700p will shoot a custom load the same and another's? It probably won't. Now, uber-expensive works of art like a Tac-Ops rifles are built to shoot match 175g SMKs (or so I understand it). They all shoot that ammo well. While there is nothing wrong with your 700p it wasn't built to the same specs and tolerances.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. </div></div>
Taking and testing other people's 700p 'tack driver' loads is the best way to waste your money. Kinda like buying lottery tickets - the odds of success are against you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours</div></div>
Be careful. You might get what you ask for.
Pick the 175 SMK, buy a bottle of Varget, start low, watch for pressure signs. Learn how to optimize for accuracy by asking or reading or both. Takin' your friends money is going to mean work. But it isn't really work, because while you are finding what is best for your rifle, you will be shooting - and for most of us that isn't work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm really looking for guys with the same gun asthe 700p</div></div>
Why? Do you think that one man's 700p will shoot a custom load the same and another's? It probably won't. Now, uber-expensive works of art like a Tac-Ops rifles are built to shoot match 175g SMKs (or so I understand it). They all shoot that ammo well. While there is nothing wrong with your 700p it wasn't built to the same specs and tolerances.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and what worked well in theres so that way i have some where to start and im not wasteing abunch of money. </div></div>
Taking and testing other people's 700p 'tack driver' loads is the best way to waste your money. Kinda like buying lottery tickets - the odds of success are against you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you would i would appreicate it if you could post some loads of stuff that has worked well in yours</div></div>
Be careful. You might get what you ask for.
Pick the 175 SMK, buy a bottle of Varget, start low, watch for pressure signs. Learn how to optimize for accuracy by asking or reading or both. Takin' your friends money is going to mean work. But it isn't really work, because while you are finding what is best for your rifle, you will be shooting - and for most of us that isn't work.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
I shoot a Remington 700 PSS as well. Listen to the guys saying use a 175 grain bullets. The faster twist rate favors them.I shoot 175 grain Berger vld's with 46 grains of varget but start low and watch for pressure signs. This load remains .5moa out to 1000 in my rifle but no rifle will shoot the same load the same way.
I shoot a Remington 700 PSS as well. Listen to the guys saying use a 175 grain bullets. The faster twist rate favors them.I shoot 175 grain Berger vld's with 46 grains of varget but start low and watch for pressure signs. This load remains .5moa out to 1000 in my rifle but no rifle will shoot the same load the same way.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
I just stumbled on this Thread.... Lots of opinion here without much fact to back it up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am in desperet need to find a load that can drive tacks at 100 yard.</div></div>If any factory match ammo duplicate load won't shoot bugholes at 100 yards with that rifle then you have a gun problem.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those 700Ps have pretty fast twist barrels, why don't you try the heavier 168-180gr bullets.</div></div>What is the 'pretty fast twist' of a 700P?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager. </div></div>Seriously? Load some of your favorite loads on a Dillon with mixed brass lots and tell me you can tell the difference on paper at 500.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntermanpaul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot a Remington 700 PSS as well. Listen to the guys saying use a 175 grain bullets. The faster twist rate favors them.</div></div>What twist rate does your 700P barrel have? And how does it 'favor' 175grain bullets?
I just stumbled on this Thread.... Lots of opinion here without much fact to back it up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MoonLightKiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am in desperet need to find a load that can drive tacks at 100 yard.</div></div>If any factory match ammo duplicate load won't shoot bugholes at 100 yards with that rifle then you have a gun problem.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those 700Ps have pretty fast twist barrels, why don't you try the heavier 168-180gr bullets.</div></div>What is the 'pretty fast twist' of a 700P?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager. </div></div>Seriously? Load some of your favorite loads on a Dillon with mixed brass lots and tell me you can tell the difference on paper at 500.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntermanpaul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot a Remington 700 PSS as well. Listen to the guys saying use a 175 grain bullets. The faster twist rate favors them.</div></div>What twist rate does your 700P barrel have? And how does it 'favor' 175grain bullets?
Re: Remighton 700 Police
I have the 1:12 twist rate. When I built my load, I tested some 150's and 168's both printed greata groups on paper at 100 yds but for long range, I havent been able to beet the 175's
I have the 1:12 twist rate. When I built my load, I tested some 150's and 168's both printed greata groups on paper at 100 yds but for long range, I havent been able to beet the 175's
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the 'pretty fast twist' of a 700P?</div></div>
1:12 for a 308, as opposed to the lazier 1:14 of yore. 1:12 and the faster 1:10 allows better stabilization of the 168+ bullets that are in vogue these days. 1:12 is considered fast relatively speaking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager. </div></div>Seriously? Load some of your favorite loads on a Dillon with mixed brass lots and tell me you can tell the difference on paper at 500.</div></div>
You read something in there I did not write. Under 200 yards is point-blank, and most that shoot that distance professionally will tell you that 308 cartridges are too large and that fussing over .1gr variations in powder weight or .001" differences in anything isn't worth the time - 100 yards doesn't allow for those variances to show up. You won't win a match with a factory rifle and factory ammo, but for the average joe like most of us here, you won't see the difference between professionally prepped ammo or factory GMM from a 700p in 100y.
Now, I'm not a professional shooter, nor have I competed past 200 yards, so the following is anecdotal heresay from colleagues that do.
300 to 600 yards is when machinery plays the biggest role. That's when the most advantage can be had through meticulous prep work and gunsmithing. Not that it isn't taken advantage of in the closer or further ranges, but here is where the equipment will win or lose a match for you.
Did I say you can't load accurate ammo on a Dillon with mixed headstamps? Do you think those that are winning the 600 yard benchrest matches are?
At 1000 yards, too many factors can influence the bullet placement that total equipment control takes a backseat to operator artisanship. Again, not that these rifles and ammo aren't tuned to the maximum, but misreading wind can mean a larger miss than powder density variations or crown angle.
Did that clear it up for you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the 'pretty fast twist' of a 700P?</div></div>
1:12 for a 308, as opposed to the lazier 1:14 of yore. 1:12 and the faster 1:10 allows better stabilization of the 168+ bullets that are in vogue these days. 1:12 is considered fast relatively speaking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're serious about 500, you need to get very meticulous about your brass prep; each case should be identical to the last. But that's hardly worth a dollar wager. </div></div>Seriously? Load some of your favorite loads on a Dillon with mixed brass lots and tell me you can tell the difference on paper at 500.</div></div>
You read something in there I did not write. Under 200 yards is point-blank, and most that shoot that distance professionally will tell you that 308 cartridges are too large and that fussing over .1gr variations in powder weight or .001" differences in anything isn't worth the time - 100 yards doesn't allow for those variances to show up. You won't win a match with a factory rifle and factory ammo, but for the average joe like most of us here, you won't see the difference between professionally prepped ammo or factory GMM from a 700p in 100y.
Now, I'm not a professional shooter, nor have I competed past 200 yards, so the following is anecdotal heresay from colleagues that do.
300 to 600 yards is when machinery plays the biggest role. That's when the most advantage can be had through meticulous prep work and gunsmithing. Not that it isn't taken advantage of in the closer or further ranges, but here is where the equipment will win or lose a match for you.
Did I say you can't load accurate ammo on a Dillon with mixed headstamps? Do you think those that are winning the 600 yard benchrest matches are?
At 1000 yards, too many factors can influence the bullet placement that total equipment control takes a backseat to operator artisanship. Again, not that these rifles and ammo aren't tuned to the maximum, but misreading wind can mean a larger miss than powder density variations or crown angle.
Did that clear it up for you?
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did that clear it up for you? </div></div>Yes: A 12-twist is faster than a 14 and slower than a 10.
The rest you are making up as you go along, which is fine, because unlike some that are posting here of late at least you admit it. And if everyone who did that also admitted to it we would simply have BS, instead of BS masquerading as information.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RyanMcIntyre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did that clear it up for you? </div></div>Yes: A 12-twist is faster than a 14 and slower than a 10.
The rest you are making up as you go along, which is fine, because unlike some that are posting here of late at least you admit it. And if everyone who did that also admitted to it we would simply have BS, instead of BS masquerading as information.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rest you are making up as you go along...at least you admit it.</div></div>
I disagree. I didn't claim to make anything up because I wasn't making anything up. I'm passing on my limited personal experience and including information and advice shared by people I have competed with that have helped me along the way, and when I am not qualified as much as another, I'll say it. That's not an admission of "making it up", that's being honest about where I am and am not an expert, and I think I actually made that clear in the posts above. Evidently you have an opinion that disagrees with mine - that's fine, post it and allow the OP to take what he likes from all the info at hand. Reloading and shooting is as much an art as it is a science, and your (possible?) military background will lend different techniques and results than my self-taught competetive background will: there aren't hard and fast rules that always apply in every situation, and believing in just one method shows a lack of experience, judgement, and authority on the matter.
If you're sure your methods are better, please add your advice. Attempting to discredit my advice helps no one and tarnishes your credibility anyway. Try the friendly approach next time. I'm a team player Graham, and I'm not the only one with some right answers around here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rest you are making up as you go along...at least you admit it.</div></div>
I disagree. I didn't claim to make anything up because I wasn't making anything up. I'm passing on my limited personal experience and including information and advice shared by people I have competed with that have helped me along the way, and when I am not qualified as much as another, I'll say it. That's not an admission of "making it up", that's being honest about where I am and am not an expert, and I think I actually made that clear in the posts above. Evidently you have an opinion that disagrees with mine - that's fine, post it and allow the OP to take what he likes from all the info at hand. Reloading and shooting is as much an art as it is a science, and your (possible?) military background will lend different techniques and results than my self-taught competetive background will: there aren't hard and fast rules that always apply in every situation, and believing in just one method shows a lack of experience, judgement, and authority on the matter.
If you're sure your methods are better, please add your advice. Attempting to discredit my advice helps no one and tarnishes your credibility anyway. Try the friendly approach next time. I'm a team player Graham, and I'm not the only one with some right answers around here.
Re: Remighton 700 Police
Light, flat-base benchrest-style bullets will be more accurate at 100 and 200 than heavier and more expensive match bullets, use less powder, and have less recoil.
The Sierra 2155 155 Match King is a good choice, while the 2156 Palma tends to be pickier for seating depth since it has a shorter bearing area in contact with rifling.
If you're just trying to make little bitty benchrest holes at 100 you may be better off using a 125 or 135 Match King or similar from another manufacturer.
Light, flat-base benchrest-style bullets will be more accurate at 100 and 200 than heavier and more expensive match bullets, use less powder, and have less recoil.
The Sierra 2155 155 Match King is a good choice, while the 2156 Palma tends to be pickier for seating depth since it has a shorter bearing area in contact with rifling.
If you're just trying to make little bitty benchrest holes at 100 you may be better off using a 125 or 135 Match King or similar from another manufacturer.
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