Learnings from Rimfire Comp Thread

[wingnut49b]

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Just wanted to say thanks to those of you active and posting on the forum. I've been a lurker for longer than I've been shooting, and I've learned a ton.

I just shot my first 100 yard target for score, and I'm happy with the results. I wouldn't be without online training and tons of reading. If only I could shoot the 308 as well!

Thanks.

 

[Ciscoguy]

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I agree with Joe. I use a managed, state run, range, and sometimes I can't even get 25 rounds down range before they call a cease fire. It depends on the people around me. I also agree that it gets old after 15 rounds.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joe Martin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i pose this to you guys:

shall we reduce the round count in the long range comps from 25 to 10?

just 2 thoughts of why i ask:

after the 15th shot, the last 10 seems to get "old"

with the addition of the lucky 7 targets, this will give a person the usual 100 yd target, the lucky 7 100yd target, the usual 200 yd target and lucky 7 200 yd target able to be shot for 40 rounds + 10 sighters = 4 matches, only 1 box of ammo.

this is the first time trying to add a poll, it may not come out right. first pass will end DEC 31 2011 1159pm </div></div>

I would kind of like for us to take another look at what Top Predator proposed (above) earlier. The more I think about this, the more I like it. 10 rounds on each target above seems reasonable to me. I don't shoot the Luck 7 targets, but I do like the idea of shooting 10 shots at 100 yards, 10 shots at 200 yards, and then if I were (or someone else as well) was to shoot - 10 @ 100 yds (TQ4) prone, then 10 @ 100 yds (TQ4) bench, and the same with the 200 yard (A21) 10 shots prone, 10 shots bench,,, for me this works for those 40 shots as well as practicing from two shooting disciplines. I'd probably be more apt to throw another rifle into my van for shooting the 25 shot 25 yard 4 position target on the same day as I shoot the long range stuff.

Winter's coming on so maybe doing a re'think on some of our comps heading into 2013, may not be a bad idea? </div></div>

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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if there's more input on changing from 25 to 10 rounds for 2013, please post up. i have the poll to end christmas at midnight.

 

[oneforall]

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i understands the after 15 rounds getting old part, but i think 25 rounds at 100 yard is more of a true test of one's shooting skill and mental endurance, also a true test of wind reading skills( wind would have most likely changed somewhat during 25 rounds fired), many times, i had first 15 or 20 rounds all in the 10 ring, then the last 10 rounds or so, either the wind changed direction or i am getting tired and careless, i would drop 5 points on the last 9 or 10 rounds, but i take it as part of learning process. so i think we ought to stay at 25 rounds, or at least 20 rounds per target at 100 yards.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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yeah after 15 rounds i also find myself wandering - mentally. that's usually where the points start dropping. plus like you said about the wind. the longer the session, the more variables sometimes with wind.

so there's good and bad points to either a 25 or a 10 round duration.

 

[Ciscoguy]

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No question on wind reading skills. Once I've adjusted my scope for the prevailing wind, I watch and wait for that condition to present itself before taking my shots. That's where the problem comes in for me. We only have abut 10 minutes sometimes between cease fires. Other tims, it's longer, but once the other shooters on the line start putting up Green flags, they call a cease fire.

On my November entries, I shot very quickly...the 10/22 sped things up a bit over my CZ. I'm a lefty, and find it difficult to work the CZ action while remaining on target, especially without a rear bag.

I'll support whatever decision is made, but it wouldn't suck to see it shortened up a tad bit.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneforall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i understands the after 15 rounds getting old part, but i think 25 rounds at 100 yard is more of a true test of one's shooting skill and mental endurance, also a true test of wind reading skills( wind would have most likely changed somewhat during 25 rounds fired), many times, i had first 15 or 20 rounds all in the 10 ring, then the last 10 rounds or so, either the wind changed direction or i am getting tired and careless, i would drop 5 points on the last 9 or 10 rounds, but i take it as part of learning process. so i think we ought to stay at 25 rounds, or at least 20 rounds per target at 100 yards. </div></div>

 

[TenZero]

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i understands the after 15 rounds getting old part, but i think 25 rounds at 100 yard is more of a true test of one's shooting skill and mental endurance, also a true test of wind reading skills

This. Besides, I don't know about everyone else, but I shoot these (and .22s in general) so I can shoot more, not shoot less.

 

[JoeMartin]

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As said before, I like the idea of the 10 round match. I also understand where the 25 rounds per match folks are coming from. No matter what we end up with, I'm still in, and always will be.

 

[BERGA]

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25 round COF is the standard when shooting a RF Match.

 

[clmayfield]

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Everyone keeps saying it gets old after 15 rounds, so why 10, why not 15? My club does a mini-palma shoot and we do 15 shots apiece of 800, 900, and 1,000 yard scaled down targets.

15 shots makes sense for people shooting at multiple distances. I have access to a 200 yard range. A lot don't. It is nice to be able to shoot both matches on the same range trip.

Part of the challenge is staying sharp for the duration. This ain't X-Box.

But I wouldn't listen to a word I say... I haven't shot one of these things in over a year. With work, Smack the Smiley, pistol, and centerfire, I seem to have less and less time for rimfire, which sucks. I really do love shooting that 22.

 

[oneforall]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone keeps saying it gets old after 15 rounds, so why 10, why not 15? My club does a mini-palma shoot and we do 15 shots apiece of 800, 900, and 1,000 yard scaled down targets.

15 shots makes sense for people shooting at multiple distances. I have access to a 200 yard range. A lot don't. It is nice to be able to shoot both matches on the same range trip.

Part of the challenge is staying sharp for the duration. This ain't X-Box.

But I wouldn't listen to a word I say... I haven't shot one of these things in over a year. With work, Smack the Smiley, pistol, and centerfire, I seem to have less and less time for rimfire, which sucks. I really do love shooting that 22. </div></div>

sure wish you are back shooting with us, sir, you are hell of a shot.

 

[BERGA]

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I'd settle for a 20 round course of fire. That would be more like shooting the High Power LR matches. I used to only practice for the HP LR matches with twenty rounds of RF Ammo on reduced targets. If you are on your game, you'll get ten sighters and two twenty round strings for score(from one box)
Like Carter I have not shot one of the SH matches in months, either, so ya'll do what ever you want.

I do think that the mental game is the true test though, it's wicked hard to keep a perfect score going when you're saying to yourself "don't blow it, you're doing good, watch your form, check the wind" as the shot count climbs. I think Ten rounds would end with lots of ties and get boring with all the perfect scores. Shooting a 100 is cake compared to shooting a 250.

 

[oneforall]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BERGA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd settle for a 20 round course of fire. That would be more like shooting the High Power LR matches. I used to only practice for the HP LR matches with twenty rounds of RF Ammo on reduced targets. If you are on your game, you'll get ten sighters and two twenty round strings for score(from one box)
Like Carter I have not shot one of the SH matches in months, either, so ya'll do what ever you want.

I do think that the mental game is the true test though, it's wicked hard to keep a perfect score going when you're saying to yourself "don't blow it, you're doing good, watch your form, check the wind" as the shot count climbs. I think Ten rounds would end with lots of ties and get boring with all the perfect scores. Shooting a 100 is cake compared to shooting a 250.
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that happened to me this month, plus i was thinking these guys are waiting for me to fire off these two rounds so they can go down range, trigger control( one miss) and shoulder pressure consistency( second miss) all went out of window, 25 rounds is hard, that is why i like it, i mainly into this online competition to improve my own long range skill on the cheap, now i see my mental game also need to work, so i would like for us to stay at 25 rounds.

 

[MK75]

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I was just wondering what ammo everyone is using in these matches.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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it actually varies greatly from bulk stuff to 20.00 a box stuff.

that was one of the points of listing ammo in the long and short range comps - one can go through the score posts and see the type of rifle, optic, and ammo used and see what generally works with what to produce a desired result.

 

[JoeMartin]

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My grandpa won a 1929 small bore match with iron sights (aperture is my guess) that was shot at 200 yards with a .22 rim fire rifle. He was a Lt. in the Guards at the time, and was also their shooting instructor.

The match he won was a 20 shot prone match, so I kind of favor the 20 shot match because of the historical value of it. I like the old ways. Probably because I'm old...lol...

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

a quick note: dropped a few shots this month due to the shooter, but very impressed with how the CZ 455 performed. first 7 shots including the cold bore shot on the TQ4 were X's, paniced for a second as i didn't see the holes in the dark circle and though i left my scope adjusted for 200 yards from the previous session and thought my shots were completely off target which threw off my next 10 shots - mental error.

still getting aquainted with the relatively new to me rifle with less than 700 "serious" rounds through it, but the rifle is definately a confidence builder and a more stable platform than expected, and worthy of a 100 yard zero.

so i guess my learnings from this month:

1. trust your equipment and abilities, especially if you've done your homework and know it's a stable platform no matter what make or model.

2. treat all 25 rounds as you would your first one (concentrate on those fundamentals)

3. as always aim small, miss small as the L7 target had a larger sized group than the TQ4.

i also was playing with a different grip, sort of a "make a pistol with your hand" on the trigger hand - leaving the pinky, ring, and middle finger to pull straight back on the stock, index on the trigger and the thumb up in the air like a cocked pistol hammer. helped to bring back the trigger straighter reducing left and right torque, which i think worked great on the rimfire, but on the centerfire i can't achieve good recoil control / follow up shot with that grip, even using the straight behind the rifle position. struggling to decide on which way to go with that grip as i don't want to develop a muscle memory that i can't transfer over well to the centerfire. will still play with that over the next month or so.

 

[HaveBlue83]

-use smaller targets. you can see yourself more easier

-it took me months of weekend practice years ago to break under 1" 5 shot groups @ 100yds. I was using an old Remington 511-X scoremaster with a simple 3-9 duplex tasco scope. the range was peaceful and deserted. there were NO distractions. I could get into the zone.

-my BEST groups were shot by doing a stress-induced 5sec limit on myself. I would load up 5 rnds, close my eyes, get my breath, and count down from 5 to 1. I MADE myself take the shot by 1. i did that 5 times in a row and could do 1" @ 100yds all day, MAX of 1.5". it made me super focus and commit. that was my secret.

-I used to use Federal gold medal target 711B. I still have some. every rifle likes a different brand. find it, and never stray from it. fire about 6 different kinds to weed out what it likes. mine did NOT like match as much as target grade. keep that in mind

-non-shooting hand in a fist as a rear "bag rest" is another trick

-have FUN!!