I was just curious I know Eberlestock has been made in Boise Idaho for years but someone just told me they switched everything to China? Anyone want to shed light on this?
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Did some more research, looks like Vietnam. Well built bags for over seas. I just didn't think something so well made would come from china but I have seen some good stuff out of Vietnam. Don't want to start a US VS China or over sea debate just curious.
Did some more research, looks like Vietnam. Well built bags for over seas. I just didn't think something so well made would come from china but I have seen some good stuff out of Vietnam. Don't want to start a US VS China or over sea debate just curious.
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I have the x4 hi speed pack. It did not have a made in ..... sticker anywhere on it that I remember seeing. I just looked on their website and did not see a mention of made in the USA. I was thinking all their stuff was made in the US. I thought that was one of their selling points.
I have the x4 hi speed pack. It did not have a made in ..... sticker anywhere on it that I remember seeing. I just looked on their website and did not see a mention of made in the USA. I was thinking all their stuff was made in the US. I thought that was one of their selling points.
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My GS2 was made in Vietnam
My GS2 was made in Vietnam
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who cares? if a product is good and has good QA then who gives a crap. </div></div>
For me quality is my priority. That said, I have seen several products that I really liked ship production offshore and the quality dropped. If the quality is good it does not mattter.
Other issue for me is I try to buy american made whenever possible and reasonable to do so.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who cares? if a product is good and has good QA then who gives a crap. </div></div>
For me quality is my priority. That said, I have seen several products that I really liked ship production offshore and the quality dropped. If the quality is good it does not mattter.
Other issue for me is I try to buy american made whenever possible and reasonable to do so.
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I have noticed that when a company; Eagle Industries as an example, begins manufacture over seas the quality tends to drop slighlty. I have never experienced a product that when manufactured overseas actually improves in quality or the price goes down.
Having said this I prefer to buy this kind of gear when it is made in the USA.
I have noticed that when a company; Eagle Industries as an example, begins manufacture over seas the quality tends to drop slighlty. I have never experienced a product that when manufactured overseas actually improves in quality or the price goes down.
Having said this I prefer to buy this kind of gear when it is made in the USA.
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As far as I know Glen has always had his gear made there and the quality is excellent. It comes down to the spec the seller wants and Glen won't sacrifice quality with products with his name on it.
As far as I know Glen has always had his gear made there and the quality is excellent. It comes down to the spec the seller wants and Glen won't sacrifice quality with products with his name on it.
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Eberlestock's current production comes from a dedicated backpack factory in Vietnam. This facility also produces several other mainstream lines that are popular within the outdoors & recreational communities. Not going to name names, but you'll recognize nearly every one of them if you've ever walked into an REi, Sportsman's Warehouse, Bass Pro, etc.
Whether we like it or not, overseas production of many products in this market segment is here to stay. Eberlestock could certainly move this process back to the States, but we may not like the results. For example, Eberlestock did a VERY small production of Berry Compliant packs a while back. They had these packs on display at the SHOT Show back in January. If memory serves, I think they did the G4 Operator, Gunslinger II, and maybe the F3 Halftrack. Anyhow, these packs were 100% identical feature and composition-wise to what they currently produce overseas, except they were manufactured to be Berry compliant. I asked Glen if they were going to start offering Berry compliant packs commercially, to which he answered "no." Reasoning was that he didn't think he could sell enough at the retail pricing required for it to make sense. I suggested that there was definitely a market for such packs, and asked just what kind of retail pricing was he seeking. I was shocked when he said the Berry packs would be 2-3 times more expensive, meaning that a GS II would be priced around $800.00 and a G4 Operator would carry a tag around $1,000. Shocking, yes, but this is the current reality when it comes to production costs in North America.
I'm with the rest of you who lament that it seems nothing we buy today is Made in the USA. Sucks big time, and I wish there was something practical that I could do about it. However, there is a much larger market for well made but foreign produced Eberlestock packs (at their current pricing) than "domestic" production at 2-3x today's retail price. Modern economic realities are at play here...
Eberlestock's current production comes from a dedicated backpack factory in Vietnam. This facility also produces several other mainstream lines that are popular within the outdoors & recreational communities. Not going to name names, but you'll recognize nearly every one of them if you've ever walked into an REi, Sportsman's Warehouse, Bass Pro, etc.
Whether we like it or not, overseas production of many products in this market segment is here to stay. Eberlestock could certainly move this process back to the States, but we may not like the results. For example, Eberlestock did a VERY small production of Berry Compliant packs a while back. They had these packs on display at the SHOT Show back in January. If memory serves, I think they did the G4 Operator, Gunslinger II, and maybe the F3 Halftrack. Anyhow, these packs were 100% identical feature and composition-wise to what they currently produce overseas, except they were manufactured to be Berry compliant. I asked Glen if they were going to start offering Berry compliant packs commercially, to which he answered "no." Reasoning was that he didn't think he could sell enough at the retail pricing required for it to make sense. I suggested that there was definitely a market for such packs, and asked just what kind of retail pricing was he seeking. I was shocked when he said the Berry packs would be 2-3 times more expensive, meaning that a GS II would be priced around $800.00 and a G4 Operator would carry a tag around $1,000. Shocking, yes, but this is the current reality when it comes to production costs in North America.
I'm with the rest of you who lament that it seems nothing we buy today is Made in the USA. Sucks big time, and I wish there was something practical that I could do about it. However, there is a much larger market for well made but foreign produced Eberlestock packs (at their current pricing) than "domestic" production at 2-3x today's retail price. Modern economic realities are at play here...
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Didn't expect to see this thread, always figured Eberlestock to be a Made in the USA company. Whenever possible I try to buy products made by American workers even if they cost more. Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.
Didn't expect to see this thread, always figured Eberlestock to be a Made in the USA company. Whenever possible I try to buy products made by American workers even if they cost more. Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.
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I have Eberlestock (original Gunslinger), and I have Mystery Ranch.
I like the MR stuff better, but the Gunslinger certainly has done its job and held up really well.
I have Eberlestock (original Gunslinger), and I have Mystery Ranch.
I like the MR stuff better, but the Gunslinger certainly has done its job and held up really well.
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Designers get more freedom if the product is made overseas. They can design in all kinds of labor intensive manufacturing steps and not have to pay much for it. Designers who do so for US production have to be much more careful and/or innovative about their design features. Guys like me break down overall costs into each step and, unfortunately, some features have to be removed.
The government (this administration) has done all they can to demonize small business and successful people. They make it nearly a punishment to hire more employees, just wait till Obama care hits and it's going to get worse. Those costly manufacturing steps are going to get even more costly and more production will move off shore. Just a fact.
I still do my best to buy USA because it matters far more than any of us realize.
Designers get more freedom if the product is made overseas. They can design in all kinds of labor intensive manufacturing steps and not have to pay much for it. Designers who do so for US production have to be much more careful and/or innovative about their design features. Guys like me break down overall costs into each step and, unfortunately, some features have to be removed.
The government (this administration) has done all they can to demonize small business and successful people. They make it nearly a punishment to hire more employees, just wait till Obama care hits and it's going to get worse. Those costly manufacturing steps are going to get even more costly and more production will move off shore. Just a fact.
I still do my best to buy USA because it matters far more than any of us realize.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
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They look like the same build quality as Maxpedition ( very good )
Maxpedition is VERY honest about where their bags are made.
"Our nylon products are made in Taiwan and our Liger Gun belts are made in the U.S.A."
Eberlestock does everything they can to hide the fact they are made in Veitnam, this kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth about their company.
They look like the same build quality as Maxpedition ( very good )
Maxpedition is VERY honest about where their bags are made.
"Our nylon products are made in Taiwan and our Liger Gun belts are made in the U.S.A."
Eberlestock does everything they can to hide the fact they are made in Veitnam, this kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth about their company.
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My thinking is if you are not paying toward salaries through the purchase of a more expensive product you will be paying "salaries" through direct payment checks taken out of your salary to warehouse productive people on their couches.
Quality/features are my determining factor when deciding which product to buy but quality/features being equal I will buy the American made product even if it costs me more.
My thinking is if you are not paying toward salaries through the purchase of a more expensive product you will be paying "salaries" through direct payment checks taken out of your salary to warehouse productive people on their couches.
Quality/features are my determining factor when deciding which product to buy but quality/features being equal I will buy the American made product even if it costs me more.
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The US goverment is the problem. The way our labor laws and trade agreements are set up it is a no win situation for most USA products. If a company is USA owned with infrastructure here and USA employees I am generally satisfied with buying their products regardless of where they manufacture. They cannot help the fact that the chips are stacked against them and if they did everything in the USA their products would be cost prohibitive.
If you think it is bad now just wait until Obamacare costs and "giving a little more" is heaped on businesses in the coming year. All the more reason to carry production somewhere else and all at no fault of the business owner. Personally with the taxation, limitation and general disdain of small business projected by the US govenrment if my business would be conducive to moving production of service out of the USA that is exactly what I would do.....F the government. It is simply equivalent to another tax on the business owner to expect them to lose money to keep manufacturing here while government continues to stab them in the back. The sentiment to buy only made in the USA made perfect sense when we had a government that actually supported business and free market and I totally agree with it in that context. That environment has been gone for several decades. Want to be patriotic and support the USA? The best way to to that is to help get rid of the mucho bullcrap in place that hinders and restrains the free market at the peril of USA businesses.
The US goverment is the problem. The way our labor laws and trade agreements are set up it is a no win situation for most USA products. If a company is USA owned with infrastructure here and USA employees I am generally satisfied with buying their products regardless of where they manufacture. They cannot help the fact that the chips are stacked against them and if they did everything in the USA their products would be cost prohibitive.
If you think it is bad now just wait until Obamacare costs and "giving a little more" is heaped on businesses in the coming year. All the more reason to carry production somewhere else and all at no fault of the business owner. Personally with the taxation, limitation and general disdain of small business projected by the US govenrment if my business would be conducive to moving production of service out of the USA that is exactly what I would do.....F the government. It is simply equivalent to another tax on the business owner to expect them to lose money to keep manufacturing here while government continues to stab them in the back. The sentiment to buy only made in the USA made perfect sense when we had a government that actually supported business and free market and I totally agree with it in that context. That environment has been gone for several decades. Want to be patriotic and support the USA? The best way to to that is to help get rid of the mucho bullcrap in place that hinders and restrains the free market at the peril of USA businesses.
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Agreed it's frustrating. I would prefer USA made but most of my favorite outdoor packs and gear aren't.. TNF, Mountain Hardwear, etc. Still amazing equipment just made elsewhere.
Agreed it's frustrating. I would prefer USA made but most of my favorite outdoor packs and gear aren't.. TNF, Mountain Hardwear, etc. Still amazing equipment just made elsewhere.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
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But he's business Rob and no one gives a shit about business or profit. It's all about the little guy don't you know...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
</div></div>
But he's business Rob and no one gives a shit about business or profit. It's all about the little guy don't you know...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
</div></div>
But he's business Rob and no one gives a shit about business or profit. It's all about the little guy don't you know... </div></div>
Hows the weather feel up there while looking down on people?
I didn't see where anyone said anything about not supporting big business etc...
What they did say is that if its possible that they would rather buy an American made product as opposed to one made overseas.
But if you feel the need to belittle people for that idea I guess thats cool.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
</div></div>
But he's business Rob and no one gives a shit about business or profit. It's all about the little guy don't you know... </div></div>
Hows the weather feel up there while looking down on people?
I didn't see where anyone said anything about not supporting big business etc...
What they did say is that if its possible that they would rather buy an American made product as opposed to one made overseas.
But if you feel the need to belittle people for that idea I guess thats cool.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The US goverment is the problem. The way our labor laws and trade agreements are set up it is a no win situation for most USA products. If a company is USA owned with infrastructure here and USA employees I am generally satisfied with buying their products regardless of where they manufacture. They cannot help the fact that the chips are stacked against them and if they did everything in the USA their products would be cost prohibitive.
If you think it is bad now just wait until Obamacare costs and "giving a little more" is heaped on businesses in the coming year. All the more reason to carry production somewhere else and all at no fault of the business owner. Personally with the taxation, limitation and general disdain of small business projected by the US govenrment if my business would be conducive to moving production of service out of the USA that is exactly what I would do.....F the government. It is simply equivalent to another tax on the business owner to expect them to lose money to keep manufacturing here while government continues to stab them in the back. The sentiment to buy only made in the USA made perfect sense when we had a government that actually supported business and free market and I totally agree with it in that context. That environment has been gone for several decades. Want to be patriotic and support the USA? The best way to to that is to help get rid of the mucho bullcrap in place that hinders and restrains the free market at the peril of USA businesses. </div></div>
Understood - OSHA, EPA, IRS and any other alphabet combination you want to use has the job creator/entrpreneur over the barrel. China laughs all the way to the bank.
The idea behind these regs is social responsibility but like the cases studies in <span style="text-decoration: underline">Freakonomics</span> the unintended economic impact is going to be a large portion of society unsuited for the new economy, diminished economic opportunity, increased burdens on public funds and a weakening of domestic/national security.
How come a bunch of drunk/womanizers were able to get together and create a perfect form of government that would be ideal/still viable for more than 200 years yet their heirs cant see what damage their policies will bring about in a tenth that time?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The US goverment is the problem. The way our labor laws and trade agreements are set up it is a no win situation for most USA products. If a company is USA owned with infrastructure here and USA employees I am generally satisfied with buying their products regardless of where they manufacture. They cannot help the fact that the chips are stacked against them and if they did everything in the USA their products would be cost prohibitive.
If you think it is bad now just wait until Obamacare costs and "giving a little more" is heaped on businesses in the coming year. All the more reason to carry production somewhere else and all at no fault of the business owner. Personally with the taxation, limitation and general disdain of small business projected by the US govenrment if my business would be conducive to moving production of service out of the USA that is exactly what I would do.....F the government. It is simply equivalent to another tax on the business owner to expect them to lose money to keep manufacturing here while government continues to stab them in the back. The sentiment to buy only made in the USA made perfect sense when we had a government that actually supported business and free market and I totally agree with it in that context. That environment has been gone for several decades. Want to be patriotic and support the USA? The best way to to that is to help get rid of the mucho bullcrap in place that hinders and restrains the free market at the peril of USA businesses. </div></div>
Understood - OSHA, EPA, IRS and any other alphabet combination you want to use has the job creator/entrpreneur over the barrel. China laughs all the way to the bank.
The idea behind these regs is social responsibility but like the cases studies in <span style="text-decoration: underline">Freakonomics</span> the unintended economic impact is going to be a large portion of society unsuited for the new economy, diminished economic opportunity, increased burdens on public funds and a weakening of domestic/national security.
How come a bunch of drunk/womanizers were able to get together and create a perfect form of government that would be ideal/still viable for more than 200 years yet their heirs cant see what damage their policies will bring about in a tenth that time?
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Glen's business being thought of as "big business" makes me laugh. Glen is an airline pilot who started his own business. It's America personified. He has built that business up over the years and offers great products. Yes they aren't made in America and they never have hidden that fact contrary to what some think here. If you have ever met and talked to Glen you would see that he is a great guy and worth the support for his dream.
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company or foreign made scope mounts. Many other non American made products are used by many here but it seems like people like to get on their soap box and preach while not exactly following what they preach. Well watch those glass houses while throwing those stones.
Glen's business being thought of as "big business" makes me laugh. Glen is an airline pilot who started his own business. It's America personified. He has built that business up over the years and offers great products. Yes they aren't made in America and they never have hidden that fact contrary to what some think here. If you have ever met and talked to Glen you would see that he is a great guy and worth the support for his dream.
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company or foreign made scope mounts. Many other non American made products are used by many here but it seems like people like to get on their soap box and preach while not exactly following what they preach. Well watch those glass houses while throwing those stones.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.
</div></div>
^^^^^^100%^^^^^
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I am a proud owner of both a g4 and a g2, along with eberlestock accessories, like the shotgun scabbard, hydration bladder and endo frame. All have been bought through Ceylon here on the hide. Glen has never misrepresented his product, nor has Ceylon. The bladders are clearly marked as being made in Isreael, and the pack and pack accessories have also been marked as being made in Vietnam. Glen is an american owning and operating a business here in America. I believe in supporting American business, but I will continue to buy Eberlestock because it is one of the finest packs that I have ever humped and is an American business. Before you call him dishonest, you should read the labels and tags on his products. You may also want to take the time to read the labels of products around the house that you think are American made. You may be suprised.
I am a proud owner of both a g4 and a g2, along with eberlestock accessories, like the shotgun scabbard, hydration bladder and endo frame. All have been bought through Ceylon here on the hide. Glen has never misrepresented his product, nor has Ceylon. The bladders are clearly marked as being made in Isreael, and the pack and pack accessories have also been marked as being made in Vietnam. Glen is an american owning and operating a business here in America. I believe in supporting American business, but I will continue to buy Eberlestock because it is one of the finest packs that I have ever humped and is an American business. Before you call him dishonest, you should read the labels and tags on his products. You may also want to take the time to read the labels of products around the house that you think are American made. You may be suprised.
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I haven't read all through this thread but I did read some snippets about the quality vs. pricing argument that so many people make. The fact is, it doesn't cost $800-$1000 to make a fancy backpack, just as it does not cost them anywhere near $300 to make in Vietnam. They tell you that so that they can justify their pricing. A lot of companies do this. Hell, Home Depot sells some cleaning crap for $20/1 gallon but I know that they produced the same product in bulk for roughly .22 cents. Yes, you read that correctly. That is one hell of a mark up. Most businesses are the same. I also know that Honda can build a Honda Pilot for $9000 but they sell for $40,000. Now you tell me? This is raw financials though and does not include overhead, high paid union employee wages, etc. So, perhaps all of that and then some drives the price but if it drives the price up that much then perhaps they need to be looking at other things, like not paying some employees $88-$110 an hour. Just saying. The reason I know this is because I had access to this data at one time or another.
I haven't read all through this thread but I did read some snippets about the quality vs. pricing argument that so many people make. The fact is, it doesn't cost $800-$1000 to make a fancy backpack, just as it does not cost them anywhere near $300 to make in Vietnam. They tell you that so that they can justify their pricing. A lot of companies do this. Hell, Home Depot sells some cleaning crap for $20/1 gallon but I know that they produced the same product in bulk for roughly .22 cents. Yes, you read that correctly. That is one hell of a mark up. Most businesses are the same. I also know that Honda can build a Honda Pilot for $9000 but they sell for $40,000. Now you tell me? This is raw financials though and does not include overhead, high paid union employee wages, etc. So, perhaps all of that and then some drives the price but if it drives the price up that much then perhaps they need to be looking at other things, like not paying some employees $88-$110 an hour. Just saying. The reason I know this is because I had access to this data at one time or another.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glen's business being thought of as "big business" makes me laugh. Glen is an airline pilot who started his own business. It's America personified. He has built that business up over the years and offers great products. Yes they aren't made in America and they never have hidden that fact contrary to what some think here. If you have ever met and talked to Glen you would see that he is a great guy and worth the support for his dream.
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company or foreign made scope mounts. Many other non American made products are used by many here but it seems like people like to get on their soap box and preach while not exactly following what they preach. Well watch those glass houses while throwing those stones. </div></div>
I'll admit to promoting buy America but than buying a foreign alternative.
As an example a Spuhr mount...but show me the American item that has the ISIS, level, and the built in "docking features. There are certainly American mounts as well made but they dont have those features that gave Spuhr the added value to me. As far as a scope when I ever I read reviews on scopes it was always "its as good as S&B", "like an S&B" or "Almost as good as S&B" in almost everything I read - that told me something.
Now for tools I'll get either Snap-On, Starrett, occasionally a domestic Craftsman and if I can afford it at the time I spend more to do it. If Icant immediatly afford something I will put off the purchase and save to buy better quality.
For tailored goods like Mr Eberlestock manufactures he is behind the 8 ball at the start in this economy. Being made overseas doesnt mean that a product is going to be lesser quality - it will be built to the specifications of the buyer and if its someone that knows quality such as Mr Eberlestock it will be a great product.
I think the problems for American entrepreneurs will get worse if the recent protests at places like McDonalds continue to grow. Its unfortunate that the entrepreneur can not run his own business as he sees fit government and outside actors can get involved and cause them to take actions that they themselves would prefer not to take.
It sucks because a company like Eberlestock is the American dream - a guy with a good idea/product works hard and builds something that provides employment for a small community and delivers quality goods or services to the market. I cant understand why we cripple this goose that lays the golden eggs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glen's business being thought of as "big business" makes me laugh. Glen is an airline pilot who started his own business. It's America personified. He has built that business up over the years and offers great products. Yes they aren't made in America and they never have hidden that fact contrary to what some think here. If you have ever met and talked to Glen you would see that he is a great guy and worth the support for his dream.
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company or foreign made scope mounts. Many other non American made products are used by many here but it seems like people like to get on their soap box and preach while not exactly following what they preach. Well watch those glass houses while throwing those stones.
I'll admit to promoting buy America but than buying a foreign alternative.
As an example a Spuhr mount...but show me the American item that has the ISIS, level, and the built in "docking features. There are certainly American mounts as well made but they dont have those features that gave Spuhr the added value to me. As far as a scope when I ever I read reviews on scopes it was always "its as good as S&B", "like an S&B" or "Almost as good as S&B" in almost everything I read - that told me something.
Now for tools I'll get either Snap-On, Starrett, occasionally a domestic Craftsman and if I can afford it at the time I spend more to do it. If Icant immediatly afford something I will put off the purchase and save to buy better quality.
For tailored goods like Mr Eberlestock manufactures he is behind the 8 ball at the start in this economy. Being made overseas doesnt mean that a product is going to be lesser quality - it will be built to the specifications of the buyer and if its someone that knows quality such as Mr Eberlestock it will be a great product.
I think the problems for American entrepreneurs will get worse if the recent protests at places like McDonalds continue to grow. Its unfortunate that the entrepreneur can not run his own business as he sees fit government and outside actors can get involved and cause them to take actions that they themselves would prefer not to take.
It sucks because a company like Eberlestock is the American dream - a guy with a good idea/product works hard and builds something that provides employment for a small community and delivers quality goods or services to the market. I cant understand why we cripple this goose that lays the golden eggs.
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I used to be a firm believer in buying North American (I'm a Canuck, so can't just say 'made in USA')...but over the past couple of years I've had a change of heart.
I think that there is still a quality benefit to buying local...but not much, as long as you do your due diligence. A lot of big companies are setting up to take advantage of lower labor costs, but trying to keep the QC as much under their control as possible.
Case in point (and what caused my change of heart) was my young sons budding musician career. He's 11. A year ago he really wanted a Fender Stratocaster for Christmas.
$800+ Ouch!!!...figured that would take a big hunk out of dad's gun fund. But the salesperson showed us the Squier Stratocaster. Made in Fender's China factory it looked everybit as good, and felt everybit as good as the US factory version.
The salesperson was honest...said that an advanced musician would notice a subtle difference but that no beginner would and that lots of gigging bands used the Squire.
It was $250 with a small amp.
Perfect.
He then showed us a short U-Tube vid of where the savings came in. First they spent a few minutes in the U.S. factory where one person basically built the guitar from start to finish on state of the art machinery. And there were maybe 3 or 4 people building 'their' guitars.
Then a short tour of the Chinese factory. Same basic equipment but a whole warehouse of it. And about 40 workers building the guitars assembly line fashion.
I used to be a firm believer in buying North American (I'm a Canuck, so can't just say 'made in USA')...but over the past couple of years I've had a change of heart.
I think that there is still a quality benefit to buying local...but not much, as long as you do your due diligence. A lot of big companies are setting up to take advantage of lower labor costs, but trying to keep the QC as much under their control as possible.
Case in point (and what caused my change of heart) was my young sons budding musician career. He's 11. A year ago he really wanted a Fender Stratocaster for Christmas.
$800+ Ouch!!!...figured that would take a big hunk out of dad's gun fund. But the salesperson showed us the Squier Stratocaster. Made in Fender's China factory it looked everybit as good, and felt everybit as good as the US factory version.
The salesperson was honest...said that an advanced musician would notice a subtle difference but that no beginner would and that lots of gigging bands used the Squire.
It was $250 with a small amp.
Perfect.
He then showed us a short U-Tube vid of where the savings came in. First they spent a few minutes in the U.S. factory where one person basically built the guitar from start to finish on state of the art machinery. And there were maybe 3 or 4 people building 'their' guitars.
Then a short tour of the Chinese factory. Same basic equipment but a whole warehouse of it. And about 40 workers building the guitars assembly line fashion.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did some more research, looks like Vietnam. Well built bags for over seas. I just didn't think something so well made would come from china but I have seen some good stuff out of Vietnam. Don't want to start a US VS China or over sea debate just curious. </div></div>
I called back when I was buying my GunSlinger II. Oddly, the best sewing shops are now in Vietnam.
It was a quality and price change--not just price. China is usually cheaper still.
BMT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did some more research, looks like Vietnam. Well built bags for over seas. I just didn't think something so well made would come from china but I have seen some good stuff out of Vietnam. Don't want to start a US VS China or over sea debate just curious. </div></div>
I called back when I was buying my GunSlinger II. Oddly, the best sewing shops are now in Vietnam.
It was a quality and price change--not just price. China is usually cheaper still.
BMT
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CZbob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used to be a firm believer in buying North American (I'm a Canuck, so can't just say 'made in USA')...but over the past couple of years I've had a change of heart.
I think that there is still a quality benefit to buying local...but not much, as long as you do your due diligence. A lot of big companies are setting up to take advantage of lower labor costs, but trying to keep the QC as much under their control as possible.
Case in point (and what caused my change of heart) was my young sons budding musician career. He's 11. A year ago he really wanted a Fender Stratocaster for Christmas.
$800+ Ouch!!!...figured that would take a big hunk out of dad's gun fund. But the salesperson showed us the Squier Stratocaster. Made in Fender's China factory it looked everybit as good, and felt everybit as good as the US factory version.
The salesperson was honest...said that an advanced musician would notice a subtle difference but that no beginner would and that lots of gigging bands used the Squire.
It was $250 with a small amp.
Perfect.
He then showed us a short U-Tube vid of where the savings came in. First they spent a few minutes in the U.S. factory where one person basically built the guitar from start to finish on state of the art machinery. And there were maybe 3 or 4 people building 'their' guitars.
Then a short tour of the Chinese factory. Same basic equipment but a whole warehouse of it. And about 40 workers building the guitars assembly line fashion.
</div></div>
Not really a fair comparison.
The squire would be like a walmart jansport backpack compared to an eberlestock. The both carry shit but theres a big difference in expected performance.
They do make the Strat in mexico and the USA though and they are both good guitars with about a 30% increase in the USA made version.
All this being said I'd like to get one of the Mystery Ranch 3 day packs for a general use bag........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CZbob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used to be a firm believer in buying North American (I'm a Canuck, so can't just say 'made in USA')...but over the past couple of years I've had a change of heart.
I think that there is still a quality benefit to buying local...but not much, as long as you do your due diligence. A lot of big companies are setting up to take advantage of lower labor costs, but trying to keep the QC as much under their control as possible.
Case in point (and what caused my change of heart) was my young sons budding musician career. He's 11. A year ago he really wanted a Fender Stratocaster for Christmas.
$800+ Ouch!!!...figured that would take a big hunk out of dad's gun fund. But the salesperson showed us the Squier Stratocaster. Made in Fender's China factory it looked everybit as good, and felt everybit as good as the US factory version.
The salesperson was honest...said that an advanced musician would notice a subtle difference but that no beginner would and that lots of gigging bands used the Squire.
It was $250 with a small amp.
Perfect.
He then showed us a short U-Tube vid of where the savings came in. First they spent a few minutes in the U.S. factory where one person basically built the guitar from start to finish on state of the art machinery. And there were maybe 3 or 4 people building 'their' guitars.
Then a short tour of the Chinese factory. Same basic equipment but a whole warehouse of it. And about 40 workers building the guitars assembly line fashion.
</div></div>
Not really a fair comparison.
The squire would be like a walmart jansport backpack compared to an eberlestock. The both carry shit but theres a big difference in expected performance.
They do make the Strat in mexico and the USA though and they are both good guitars with about a 30% increase in the USA made version.
All this being said I'd like to get one of the Mystery Ranch 3 day packs for a general use bag........
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a proud owner of both a g4 and a g2, along with eberlestock accessories, like the shotgun scabbard, hydration bladder and endo frame. All have been bought through Ceylon here on the hide. Glen has never misrepresented his product, nor has Ceylon. The bladders are clearly marked as being made in Isreael, and the pack and pack accessories have also been marked as being made in Vietnam. Glen is an american owning and operating a business here in America. I believe in supporting American business, but I will continue to buy Eberlestock because it is one of the finest packs that I have ever humped and is an American business. <span style="color: #FF0000">Before you call him dishonest, you should read the labels and tags on his products</span>. You may also want to take the time to read the labels of products around the house that you think are American made. You may be suprised. </div></div>
This is the problem (red above). You find out AFTER you bought it. The laws make him put the country of manufacture on his packs.
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
Hell most people that I talked too swear their gunslinger/etc was made in the USA and how proud they are of it... Then I show them the label, and most say "FUCK!!"
I think they are well made packs I traded my GS2 because it did not fit (6,4")
Mystery Ranch and others clearly state where they are made.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OdellJym</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a proud owner of both a g4 and a g2, along with eberlestock accessories, like the shotgun scabbard, hydration bladder and endo frame. All have been bought through Ceylon here on the hide. Glen has never misrepresented his product, nor has Ceylon. The bladders are clearly marked as being made in Isreael, and the pack and pack accessories have also been marked as being made in Vietnam. Glen is an american owning and operating a business here in America. I believe in supporting American business, but I will continue to buy Eberlestock because it is one of the finest packs that I have ever humped and is an American business. <span style="color: #FF0000">Before you call him dishonest, you should read the labels and tags on his products</span>. You may also want to take the time to read the labels of products around the house that you think are American made. You may be suprised. </div></div>
This is the problem (red above). You find out AFTER you bought it. The laws make him put the country of manufacture on his packs.
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
Hell most people that I talked too swear their gunslinger/etc was made in the USA and how proud they are of it... Then I show them the label, and most say "FUCK!!"
I think they are well made packs I traded my GS2 because it did not fit (6,4")
Mystery Ranch and others clearly state where they are made.
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"Who cares?" Comments like this make it easy to see why the United States economy is in such sad shape. Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy, you never get it back unless you have a positive trade deficit. Thats pretty simple math. With the downfall of manufacturing in our country we are left with more unemployment and more "service based" jobs. We are left with a small amount of money in this country and we pass it back and forth among ourselves for providing services to each other. Every time someone purchases an item built from another country that is less money we have to pass around among ourselves in this country, and with no manufacturing we have nothing to sell to other nations because they don't need our "services". Its obvious why our trade deficit is so unbalanced. People want to buy whatever product is cheaper and then bitch when they get laid off. I don't understand, I guess I am the weird one.
"Who cares?" Comments like this make it easy to see why the United States economy is in such sad shape. Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy, you never get it back unless you have a positive trade deficit. Thats pretty simple math. With the downfall of manufacturing in our country we are left with more unemployment and more "service based" jobs. We are left with a small amount of money in this country and we pass it back and forth among ourselves for providing services to each other. Every time someone purchases an item built from another country that is less money we have to pass around among ourselves in this country, and with no manufacturing we have nothing to sell to other nations because they don't need our "services". Its obvious why our trade deficit is so unbalanced. People want to buy whatever product is cheaper and then bitch when they get laid off. I don't understand, I guess I am the weird one.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
</div></div>
You don't have a phone or email? If it's that much of a concern to you or anyone else it's simple enough to find out before hand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
</div></div>
You don't have a phone or email? If it's that much of a concern to you or anyone else it's simple enough to find out before hand.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pipeinspector</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy</div></div>
Ohh, that's OK, cause the Fed just makes more...
that was sarcasm just to be clear.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pipeinspector</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy</div></div>
Ohh, that's OK, cause the Fed just makes more...
that was sarcasm just to be clear.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pipeinspector</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Who cares?" Comments like this make it easy to see why the United States economy is in such sad shape. Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy, you never get it back unless you have a positive trade deficit. Thats pretty simple math. With the downfall of manufacturing in our country we are left with more unemployment and more "service based" jobs. We are left with a small amount of money in this country and we pass it back and forth among ourselves for providing services to each other. Every time someone purchases an item built from another country that is less money we have to pass around among ourselves in this country, and with no manufacturing we have nothing to sell to other nations because they don't need our "services". Its obvious why our trade deficit is so unbalanced. People want to buy whatever product is cheaper and then bitch when they get laid off. I don't understand, I guess I am the weird one.</div></div>
+1 your not weird at all, you have it figured out. Least we forget China and Vietnam are communist nations. Have no doubt about what that means. You can't buy everything Made in USA, but all of us should try as much as we can. We work hard at the company Im at to source USA and Canadian material when ever possible and we continue to work at it! There are less quality issues, the pipeline is much shorter, changes are faster and we sleep better at night knowing we may have protected a job over here. Additionally there is the whole issue of technology transfer and what has been allowed to happen. Enough said!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pipeinspector</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Who cares?" Comments like this make it easy to see why the United States economy is in such sad shape. Every time you take a dollar from our economy and give it to another nations economy, you never get it back unless you have a positive trade deficit. Thats pretty simple math. With the downfall of manufacturing in our country we are left with more unemployment and more "service based" jobs. We are left with a small amount of money in this country and we pass it back and forth among ourselves for providing services to each other. Every time someone purchases an item built from another country that is less money we have to pass around among ourselves in this country, and with no manufacturing we have nothing to sell to other nations because they don't need our "services". Its obvious why our trade deficit is so unbalanced. People want to buy whatever product is cheaper and then bitch when they get laid off. I don't understand, I guess I am the weird one.</div></div>
+1 your not weird at all, you have it figured out. Least we forget China and Vietnam are communist nations. Have no doubt about what that means. You can't buy everything Made in USA, but all of us should try as much as we can. We work hard at the company Im at to source USA and Canadian material when ever possible and we continue to work at it! There are less quality issues, the pipeline is much shorter, changes are faster and we sleep better at night knowing we may have protected a job over here. Additionally there is the whole issue of technology transfer and what has been allowed to happen. Enough said!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company </div></div>
I don't own one of his packs, but probably will one of these days. It's kind of funny that this thread is this long. We could be bashing family business SWFA about those foreign scopes we all snapped up in group buys
I usually research what is available and made here before I buy, but quite frankly that's not always possible. We used to buy Japanese motocross bikes and buy better parts from all the small shops in California for the engine and suspension.
I agree with the sentiment of keeping as many dollars here as possible but consider the auto industry. You have IMO corrupt, over-paid, incompetent management fighting with what doesn't look to be the most "honest" union representing employees. To me, this becomes a lose-lose proposition but I do have two Fords. And I had a Harley Davidson and made sure I saved the parts wrappers when they were marked Made in Japan, etc.
I want to buy a stock pot, essentially a steel/aluminum 5 gallon bucket. The American made one is 75 bucks, and the lid is 13 IIRC. My other pots and pans are American made, but a small set was like $200 and even though they're sold by a large chain store, I could only get them online. I could not find any in two local stores to look at. They're well made though.
Another example, look at denim jeans. Ever watch the show How It's Made? They have a huge roll of whatever color denim on a huge table, mark it up by computer and cut it out in a Mexican factory. Almost nothing is wasted and it takes no time to sew them together. Last step is putting the tag on for whatever brand name. So do you want $30 - 40 Mexican Levis or do you get $50 Diamond Gussets?
It sucks that decisions today are not only based on where the dollar lands, but how many stay in your own pocket to feed your family.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would like to see how many of the "buy American" crowd here is using Lapua brass and bullets, AI/FN/Tikka/Sako etc rifles, a scope from a German or Japanese company </div></div>
I don't own one of his packs, but probably will one of these days. It's kind of funny that this thread is this long. We could be bashing family business SWFA about those foreign scopes we all snapped up in group buys
I usually research what is available and made here before I buy, but quite frankly that's not always possible. We used to buy Japanese motocross bikes and buy better parts from all the small shops in California for the engine and suspension.
I agree with the sentiment of keeping as many dollars here as possible but consider the auto industry. You have IMO corrupt, over-paid, incompetent management fighting with what doesn't look to be the most "honest" union representing employees. To me, this becomes a lose-lose proposition but I do have two Fords. And I had a Harley Davidson and made sure I saved the parts wrappers when they were marked Made in Japan, etc.
I want to buy a stock pot, essentially a steel/aluminum 5 gallon bucket. The American made one is 75 bucks, and the lid is 13 IIRC. My other pots and pans are American made, but a small set was like $200 and even though they're sold by a large chain store, I could only get them online. I could not find any in two local stores to look at. They're well made though.
Another example, look at denim jeans. Ever watch the show How It's Made? They have a huge roll of whatever color denim on a huge table, mark it up by computer and cut it out in a Mexican factory. Almost nothing is wasted and it takes no time to sew them together. Last step is putting the tag on for whatever brand name. So do you want $30 - 40 Mexican Levis or do you get $50 Diamond Gussets?
It sucks that decisions today are not only based on where the dollar lands, but how many stay in your own pocket to feed your family.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is the problem (red above). You find out AFTER you bought it. The laws make him put the country of manufacture on his packs.
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
Hell most people that I talked too swear their gunslinger/etc was made in the USA and how proud they are of it... Then I show them the label, and most say "FUCK!!"
I think they are well made packs I traded my GS2 because it did not fit (6,4")
Mystery Ranch and others clearly state where they are made. </div></div>
Really? You're on of those customers that will never be pleased. Now you're trying to place an expectation that companies should disclose where their products are made first and foremost? Mystery Ranch and "others" state where they're made as a sales gimmick, NOT because they're trying to disclose it. Neither you or any one of the people you claim brag about it being made in the "USA" were lied to or deceived. You acted on an assumption and now you're trying to blame someone else for your own issues.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is the problem (red above). You find out AFTER you bought it. The laws make him put the country of manufacture on his packs.
Try to find out BEFORE you buy on the website...I could not find it anywhere.
Hell most people that I talked too swear their gunslinger/etc was made in the USA and how proud they are of it... Then I show them the label, and most say "FUCK!!"
I think they are well made packs I traded my GS2 because it did not fit (6,4")
Mystery Ranch and others clearly state where they are made. </div></div>
Really? You're on of those customers that will never be pleased. Now you're trying to place an expectation that companies should disclose where their products are made first and foremost? Mystery Ranch and "others" state where they're made as a sales gimmick, NOT because they're trying to disclose it. Neither you or any one of the people you claim brag about it being made in the "USA" were lied to or deceived. You acted on an assumption and now you're trying to blame someone else for your own issues.
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I'd love to buy all American made products. If I did I would be completely broke in short order. One thing that made me kind of question Eberlestock though was this comment made by Glen in a thread he started about their Stealth Chassis. People were slamming the price of the chassis and he had this to say
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Geberle"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's expensive but then again it's not a shovel handle. In my opinion there are too many people shooting low in this industry, and I simply don't understand that. I've made a lot of rifle stocks, and when I see somebody selling one for $69 I think, man, that guy must have a lot of time on his hands. Anyway, as we say on our site, we are not going to apologize for the price of the chassis. I designed it and have nurtured it into being, and even I will say that I am surprised at how much milling machine time this baby consumes. <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">And yes, we could make it cheaper in China, but we're not gonna do that.</span></span> I think it's worth it, and frankly it costs me a lot to make it... and most people who see it feel like it's worth its price. Actually, most people who see it want it and don't care what the price is. They'll sell a car or something. Anyway, for those of you going to Vegas in a couple weeks, come see us in booth 2236 and you can decide for yourself. We are a "low pressure" operation, and you can take it or leave it.
Best to all, and over and out.
GE</div></div>
They wont make their $2000 rifle chassis in China or wherever but it's ok for their bags to be made in Vietnam?
I'd love to buy all American made products. If I did I would be completely broke in short order. One thing that made me kind of question Eberlestock though was this comment made by Glen in a thread he started about their Stealth Chassis. People were slamming the price of the chassis and he had this to say
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Geberle"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's expensive but then again it's not a shovel handle. In my opinion there are too many people shooting low in this industry, and I simply don't understand that. I've made a lot of rifle stocks, and when I see somebody selling one for $69 I think, man, that guy must have a lot of time on his hands. Anyway, as we say on our site, we are not going to apologize for the price of the chassis. I designed it and have nurtured it into being, and even I will say that I am surprised at how much milling machine time this baby consumes. <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">And yes, we could make it cheaper in China, but we're not gonna do that.</span></span> I think it's worth it, and frankly it costs me a lot to make it... and most people who see it feel like it's worth its price. Actually, most people who see it want it and don't care what the price is. They'll sell a car or something. Anyway, for those of you going to Vegas in a couple weeks, come see us in booth 2236 and you can decide for yourself. We are a "low pressure" operation, and you can take it or leave it.
Best to all, and over and out.
GE</div></div>
They wont make their $2000 rifle chassis in China or wherever but it's ok for their bags to be made in Vietnam?
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Yup because that's how he chooses to run his business. All you that know better than a business owner well why don't you all start your own pack business with only American made packs.
I would also love to look through some of your houses. Bet everything isn't made in America.
All this self righteous pontificating. Makes me laugh.
Yup because that's how he chooses to run his business. All you that know better than a business owner well why don't you all start your own pack business with only American made packs.
I would also love to look through some of your houses. Bet everything isn't made in America.
All this self righteous pontificating. Makes me laugh.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup because that's how he chooses to run his business. All you that know better than a business owner well why don't you all start your own pack business with only American made packs.
I would also love to look through some of your houses. Bet everything isn't made in America.
All this self righteous pontificating. Makes me laugh. </div></div>
Rob,
No offense but I don't think your doing your sponsor any favors with attitudes/quotes like this.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup because that's how he chooses to run his business. All you that know better than a business owner well why don't you all start your own pack business with only American made packs.
I would also love to look through some of your houses. Bet everything isn't made in America.
All this self righteous pontificating. Makes me laugh. </div></div>
Rob,
No offense but I don't think your doing your sponsor any favors with attitudes/quotes like this.
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I don't care if he was a sponsor or not. I know the man personally and I'm not going to let his business that he built be run down by people on the internet. He could drop us tomorrow and I wouldn't change a thing I am saying. I don't like to pussyfoot around. If I see bullshit I am calling it.
I don't care if he was a sponsor or not. I know the man personally and I'm not going to let his business that he built be run down by people on the internet. He could drop us tomorrow and I wouldn't change a thing I am saying. I don't like to pussyfoot around. If I see bullshit I am calling it.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.</div></div>
I can't deny buying Eberlestock helps feed Glen and his employees. Perhaps I should have said; whenever possible I'd rather buy my packs from a company who employs American workers to produce the pack rather than a company who outsources to foreign workers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mirnyx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knowing my purchase helps put food on the table of my neighbors just feels right.</div></div>
It is. It's helping Glen and his employees. All fellow Americans and worthy of our support.</div></div>
I can't deny buying Eberlestock helps feed Glen and his employees. Perhaps I should have said; whenever possible I'd rather buy my packs from a company who employs American workers to produce the pack rather than a company who outsources to foreign workers.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">" Proudly made in the U.S.A." is a sales gimmick?
That's a slap in the face to a lot great companies. </div></div>
Because every product made in the USA is obviously top notch and they have no other reason to put that on there... right...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: finbox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">" Proudly made in the U.S.A." is a sales gimmick?
That's a slap in the face to a lot great companies. </div></div>
Because every product made in the USA is obviously top notch and they have no other reason to put that on there... right...
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
Ya I would love to Buy Every Thing Made In American Who Really Wouldn't. Ya got to get over it.It's not going to happen when 85% of the stuff we get is imported.Our great government has seen to it to Let The Other Country's Flood us with there shit.And the government makes it harder for the small business man to get started with all the taxes they put on him.So every body just needs to continue to sit back and let there Great populations do there stuff. They'll work there Magic and fix every thing.
Ya I would love to Buy Every Thing Made In American Who Really Wouldn't. Ya got to get over it.It's not going to happen when 85% of the stuff we get is imported.Our great government has seen to it to Let The Other Country's Flood us with there shit.And the government makes it harder for the small business man to get started with all the taxes they put on him.So every body just needs to continue to sit back and let there Great populations do there stuff. They'll work there Magic and fix every thing.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
fngmike,
try Diamond Gusset jeans, they aren't for everybody but they are made in America with American grown materials. I too own a Ford & a Chevrolet, but after all the Obama support from the UA my next vehicle purchase will be a Toyota (made in TX) or a Nissan (made in MS) both by non-union labor. I also agree that you can't buy everything made in America, but about 2 yrs ago I decided I would make an honest effort to buy everything I could made in the USA. I have found there are a lot more American made choices than people think. When I purchase something no matter how large or small the item is, I look at all the options and choose the one made over here. I don't always get the cheapest one or even get the options I want (especially when buying clothing) but I do the best I can and make a sacrifice sometimes, and sometimes I just go without if I don't really need it badly. So if Rob wants to look through my house he will find plenty of products from china, mexico, etc. but it is probably because there wasn't an American made option.
fngmike,
try Diamond Gusset jeans, they aren't for everybody but they are made in America with American grown materials. I too own a Ford & a Chevrolet, but after all the Obama support from the UA my next vehicle purchase will be a Toyota (made in TX) or a Nissan (made in MS) both by non-union labor. I also agree that you can't buy everything made in America, but about 2 yrs ago I decided I would make an honest effort to buy everything I could made in the USA. I have found there are a lot more American made choices than people think. When I purchase something no matter how large or small the item is, I look at all the options and choose the one made over here. I don't always get the cheapest one or even get the options I want (especially when buying clothing) but I do the best I can and make a sacrifice sometimes, and sometimes I just go without if I don't really need it badly. So if Rob wants to look through my house he will find plenty of products from china, mexico, etc. but it is probably because there wasn't an American made option.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
you really need to educate yourself on the differences between vietnam and china when it comes to manufacturing and shady practices. take it from someone who knows, you are comparing apples to oranges. a guy saying he won't produce it in china but will in vietnam is reasonable. also, a pack and a rifle chassis are two different things with different necessities.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tofst4u2no</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd love to buy all American made products. If I did I would be completely broke in short order. One thing that made me kind of question Eberlestock though was this comment made by Glen in a thread he started about their Stealth Chassis. People were slamming the price of the chassis and he had this to say
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Geberle"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's expensive but then again it's not a shovel handle. In my opinion there are too many people shooting low in this industry, and I simply don't understand that. I've made a lot of rifle stocks, and when I see somebody selling one for $69 I think, man, that guy must have a lot of time on his hands. Anyway, as we say on our site, we are not going to apologize for the price of the chassis. I designed it and have nurtured it into being, and even I will say that I am surprised at how much milling machine time this baby consumes. <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">And yes, we could make it cheaper in China, but we're not gonna do that.</span></span> I think it's worth it, and frankly it costs me a lot to make it... and most people who see it feel like it's worth its price. Actually, most people who see it want it and don't care what the price is. They'll sell a car or something. Anyway, for those of you going to Vegas in a couple weeks, come see us in booth 2236 and you can decide for yourself. We are a "low pressure" operation, and you can take it or leave it.
Best to all, and over and out.
GE</div></div>
They wont make their $2000 rifle chassis in China or wherever but it's ok for their bags to be made in Vietnam?
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you really need to educate yourself on the differences between vietnam and china when it comes to manufacturing and shady practices. take it from someone who knows, you are comparing apples to oranges. a guy saying he won't produce it in china but will in vietnam is reasonable. also, a pack and a rifle chassis are two different things with different necessities.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tofst4u2no</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd love to buy all American made products. If I did I would be completely broke in short order. One thing that made me kind of question Eberlestock though was this comment made by Glen in a thread he started about their Stealth Chassis. People were slamming the price of the chassis and he had this to say
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: "Geberle"</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's expensive but then again it's not a shovel handle. In my opinion there are too many people shooting low in this industry, and I simply don't understand that. I've made a lot of rifle stocks, and when I see somebody selling one for $69 I think, man, that guy must have a lot of time on his hands. Anyway, as we say on our site, we are not going to apologize for the price of the chassis. I designed it and have nurtured it into being, and even I will say that I am surprised at how much milling machine time this baby consumes. <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">And yes, we could make it cheaper in China, but we're not gonna do that.</span></span> I think it's worth it, and frankly it costs me a lot to make it... and most people who see it feel like it's worth its price. Actually, most people who see it want it and don't care what the price is. They'll sell a car or something. Anyway, for those of you going to Vegas in a couple weeks, come see us in booth 2236 and you can decide for yourself. We are a "low pressure" operation, and you can take it or leave it.
Best to all, and over and out.
GE</div></div>
They wont make their $2000 rifle chassis in China or wherever but it's ok for their bags to be made in Vietnam?
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Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a guy saying he won't produce it in china but will in vietnam is reasonable. also, a pack and a rifle chassis are two different things with different necessities.</div></div>
A reasonable question would be why is the guy okay with outsourcing his packs but not his rifle chassis? If we're being honest, we all know there are Asian producers more than capable of making the Eberlestock rifle chassis to the same standards.
Clearly Glen has no issue with outsourcing to foreign workers so he can "make it cheaper". Perhaps you can see why his comment about the rifle chassis is odd for those paying attention.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a guy saying he won't produce it in china but will in vietnam is reasonable. also, a pack and a rifle chassis are two different things with different necessities.</div></div>
A reasonable question would be why is the guy okay with outsourcing his packs but not his rifle chassis? If we're being honest, we all know there are Asian producers more than capable of making the Eberlestock rifle chassis to the same standards.
Clearly Glen has no issue with outsourcing to foreign workers so he can "make it cheaper". Perhaps you can see why his comment about the rifle chassis is odd for those paying attention.
Re: Eberlestock made in USA or China?
All we need is a 600 min order!!
http://www.tradekey.com/product-free/Military-Eberlestock-G4-Operator-Pack-3258744.html
I wonder if this is a blatant copy? Many Vietnam companies are owned by China
WOW same china company as above...they make the 5.11 rush 72 pac for $35 ( sales for $125 in the states.) my rush 72 has a made in Vietnam tag. But this company's out of china....something's fishy
http://lqcompany.en.alibaba.com/product/...waterproof.html
All we need is a 600 min order!!
http://www.tradekey.com/product-free/Military-Eberlestock-G4-Operator-Pack-3258744.html
I wonder if this is a blatant copy? Many Vietnam companies are owned by China
WOW same china company as above...they make the 5.11 rush 72 pac for $35 ( sales for $125 in the states.) my rush 72 has a made in Vietnam tag. But this company's out of china....something's fishy
http://lqcompany.en.alibaba.com/product/...waterproof.html
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