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Re: .22LR Mil Trainers?
Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
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Well ..... My dad brought me a 1903 springfield form the Korean war era . They used it it boot camp I was told .
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Well ..... My dad brought me a 1903 springfield form the Korean war era . They used it it boot camp I was told .
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Re: .22LR Mil Trainers?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
</div></div>A co worker of mine was in the Air Force (I know, I know,) and they shot m16's with .22lr conversions. They never even fired any real 5.56mm ammo. I'm sure he was in a non combat position, just illustrating that .22lr is used in some cases.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
</div></div>A co worker of mine was in the Air Force (I know, I know,) and they shot m16's with .22lr conversions. They never even fired any real 5.56mm ammo. I'm sure he was in a non combat position, just illustrating that .22lr is used in some cases.
Re: .22LR Mil Trainers?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
</div></div>A co worker of mine was in the Air Force (I know, I know,) and they shot m16's with .22lr conversions. They never even fired any real 5.56mm ammo. I'm sure he was in a non combat position, just illustrating that .22lr is used in some cases. </div></div>
Prob couldnt handle the big bad 5.56...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kortik</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pardon me for stupid question, addressed not just to the OP, but I always wanted to know what is the definition of .22 LR military trainer?
The funny part about this specific term is that as far as I know from the personal experience, at least in the former USSR armed forces, there were no .22LR weapons used for any kind of training. Solders went straight to AKs and stuff...
Not sure about the armies of the other conutries, any info?
</div></div>A co worker of mine was in the Air Force (I know, I know,) and they shot m16's with .22lr conversions. They never even fired any real 5.56mm ammo. I'm sure he was in a non combat position, just illustrating that .22lr is used in some cases. </div></div>
Prob couldnt handle the big bad 5.56...
Re: .22LR Mil Trainers?
Cheaper and less range needed. .22LR could be shot indoors. Most 22 trainers are from the time of bolt guns ruled the Military. Also, the USSR used 22's and sub cal to train, saved money.
US Military also has small bore rifle teams as do other countries. Many shoot every four years in the Olympics.
You just missed the Romanian M1969 Trainers at AIM for $120.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1RT1969
If you own an AR15 with a 1/12 barrel find the USGI M261 conversion kit and have fun (.22lr needs the slow twist).
Cheaper and less range needed. .22LR could be shot indoors. Most 22 trainers are from the time of bolt guns ruled the Military. Also, the USSR used 22's and sub cal to train, saved money.
US Military also has small bore rifle teams as do other countries. Many shoot every four years in the Olympics.
You just missed the Romanian M1969 Trainers at AIM for $120.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1RT1969
If you own an AR15 with a 1/12 barrel find the USGI M261 conversion kit and have fun (.22lr needs the slow twist).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich219</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any inexpensive mil trainers for under $200. I'm just looking for something to shoot in the back yard. </div></div>
In this day and age of firearms just about any inexpensive .22lr rifle can be used for a trainer with the idea of learning natural point of aim, cheek weld, reading the wind, your breathing, sight adjustments, proper sling usage, shooting positions, and of course marksmanship, and no doubt a dozen or more things that I've forgotten over the years. Yes, there are many rimfire rifles that will fit this usage. It's really just a matter of what you like that will also give you lots of enjoyment where your interest lay.
Now if your interest is strictly in the use of an actual .22lr training rifle from days gone by, you may have to do a little research, but they are out there somewhere.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich219</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any inexpensive mil trainers for under $200. I'm just looking for something to shoot in the back yard. </div></div>
In this day and age of firearms just about any inexpensive .22lr rifle can be used for a trainer with the idea of learning natural point of aim, cheek weld, reading the wind, your breathing, sight adjustments, proper sling usage, shooting positions, and of course marksmanship, and no doubt a dozen or more things that I've forgotten over the years. Yes, there are many rimfire rifles that will fit this usage. It's really just a matter of what you like that will also give you lots of enjoyment where your interest lay.
Now if your interest is strictly in the use of an actual .22lr training rifle from days gone by, you may have to do a little research, but they are out there somewhere.
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Think AIM surplus put up a new batch of trainers. Romanian Surplus, less then $150?
I think. I'm blocked from work from visiting the site sadly
Think AIM surplus put up a new batch of trainers. Romanian Surplus, less then $150?
I think. I'm blocked from work from visiting the site sadly
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MilsurpShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Think AIM surplus put up a new batch of trainers. Romanian Surplus, less then $150?
I think. I'm blocked from work from visiting the site sadly </div></div>
If they did, they're gone already.
I just checked, the 1969s are listed at $119 and SOLD OUT.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MilsurpShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Think AIM surplus put up a new batch of trainers. Romanian Surplus, less then $150?
I think. I'm blocked from work from visiting the site sadly </div></div>
If they did, they're gone already.
I just checked, the 1969s are listed at $119 and SOLD OUT.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anthony box</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the Australian Army had the idea of using a .22LR rifle for training
this is the F88T but it never came into service. </div></div>
I would think it never came into service because it probably cost more that the actual fighting caliber version
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anthony box</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the Australian Army had the idea of using a .22LR rifle for training
this is the F88T but it never came into service. </div></div>
I would think it never came into service because it probably cost more that the actual fighting caliber version
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probably right.
the F88 is made in Australia at ADI Lithgow, so manufacture cost wouldnt be a big deal . but ADI also make our service ammo for the 5.56mm so cost of ammo isn't a huge issue either
probably right.
the F88 is made in Australia at ADI Lithgow, so manufacture cost wouldnt be a big deal . but ADI also make our service ammo for the 5.56mm so cost of ammo isn't a huge issue either
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The current model of that ugliness is an Armscor 1600, older ones were rebranded with other manufacturers, a lot of them got labelled as Squires Binghams.
Not true on the 541X, not all of them were govt contract.
The current model of that ugliness is an Armscor 1600, older ones were rebranded with other manufacturers, a lot of them got labelled as Squires Binghams.
Not true on the 541X, not all of them were govt contract.
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That would be awesome if they made those here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anthony box</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the Australian Army had the idea of using a .22LR rifle for training
this is the F88T but it never came into service. </div></div>
That would be awesome if they made those here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anthony box</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the Australian Army had the idea of using a .22LR rifle for training
this is the F88T but it never came into service. </div></div>
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nice
nice
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was on the phone with Brian Voekler and was told this.
Sorry if I misspoke. </div></div>
Interesting, while I was confident I've seen a 541X without the "US" stamp, I can't find any proof of one at the moment.
In the meantime I withdraw my statement, Mr. Voekler is most definitely one of the senior subject matter experts on the topic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DFOOSKING</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was on the phone with Brian Voekler and was told this.
Sorry if I misspoke. </div></div>
Interesting, while I was confident I've seen a 541X without the "US" stamp, I can't find any proof of one at the moment.
In the meantime I withdraw my statement, Mr. Voekler is most definitely one of the senior subject matter experts on the topic.
