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1942 PEM Re-Sniper

ScharfshutzeK98

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Hey guys,

I just received my 42 Mosin PEM sniper back a few days ago and figured I would post up a few pics. Let me know what you think?

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Thanks,
Brian
 
Re: 1942 PEM Re-Sniper

Looks good.

Re-sniper? What did you have done to it?

Re-drill and re-mount the scope?

Would be interested to know what mount you used - is it an original or a repro? I'm having a problem with an undersized Accumount hex-mount on my M39-SOV build.
 
Re: 1942 PEM Re-Sniper

I just got my 42 Izzy ex PEM back from Frank Robertson yesterday and figured I would share a few pics. I am quite happy on how it turned out and think it is a nice nemesis for my 44 LSR K98. Rifle itself is all matching, and has the crossed out scope number on the receiver. The scope is a Ukranian reproduction from Cole Distributing and the mount is from Igor. I plan to get some base line range time in the next couple of weeks, after that I will tweek things as necessary. The only thing I was going to address right away is the scope tube has a little bit of play in rear scope ring. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to cure that? Oh, and i would also appreciate any leads on quality scope covers and or lens covers.
 
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Can recommend Hide member "saddler" in the UK for the scope covers...here's the ones he made for me:

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Also have his work on my Enfield No4T:

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Great historically accurate repros, hand-made http://www.mooreleather.co.uk/

On your scope mounts...do you have any links to the guys you mention?



 
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Well I thought my collection was complete. Now I have to have one of those PEM's. Is there anyone who sells them set up?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DocLes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I thought my collection was complete. Now I have to have one of those PEM's. Is there anyone who sells them set up? </div></div>

LOL! There will always be "just one more" you need to have!

Addiction....it's a habit!

Accumount do a repro. Also some Eastern European ones as the OP's.

Originals are out there but can be expensive (probably around $700+ for a good one if prices are similar to this side of the pond?).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can recommend Hide member "saddler" in the UK for the scope covers...here's the ones he made for me:

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Also have his work on my Enfield No4T:

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Great historically accurate repros, hand-made http://www.mooreleather.co.uk/

On your scope mounts...do you have any links to the guys you mention?



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Thanks for the information on the lens covers. From what I found out if you want to build one of these the best parts are obviously the real soviet pieces. However, they are hard to come by and are quite expensive. So if you are looking at reproduction parts the highest quality was made by a guy known as Dmitry or Feldscher on Gunboards.com. Good luck tracking one down, very high quality and he doesnt make them any more so they are almost as rare as an original. Second in reproduction quality is Igor, he goes by the seller name mikesqb on ebay. Very nice pieces individually numbered, but not cheap. Third place is accumounts, good stuff but there is better available. I do believe that accumounts has the ability to number their mounts if you want it to match the gun.

As far as the scopes go, its a similar situation. Original stuff is always the best, but I consider those more for collector pieces and not something you can beat on at the range. Coles Distributing on gunbroker has the Ukranian PE reproduction scope which is supposed to be most like the original. This is because the reticle adjusts with your windage and elevation knobs. However, you cannot buy it without a PE mount included in the auction (I just sold mine to a forum member on the side). The accumounts version is also quality, however the lens moves with windage and elevation adjustments unlike the originals. Please research if you try to use an igor mount with an accumount scope or accumount mount with a Ukranian scope. If I remember right there is a slight difference in how they are cast and some scopes dont fit certain mounts.

If you are interested in building one, I would stay on the lookout for pre 43 ex-sniper mosins that have the PEM (not PU) plugs visible on the receiver when you open the bolt. You may also be able to identify an ex-PEM by a scope number on the receiver near the barrel which will most likely be crossed out. Once, you get a candidate I would shoot it to see how it groups before dumping all of the scope and mount money into it (unless you just want one regardless).

Lastly you can contact Frank Robertson (Tankdriver) or Tigeran on Gunboards.com. They are the community "snipersmiths". Be advised though there is usually a very long wait with these guys because thier work is well known. Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DocLes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I thought my collection was complete. Now I have to have one of those PEM's. Is there anyone who sells them set up? </div></div>

DocLes, I have seen them for sale from time to time on Gunbroker. You can find originals on there right now for quite a bit of money. If you are just now hearing about PEM's im assuming you dont know about PE's either.....
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Both pop up for sale from time to time, definately not as much as ex-pu's so jump on it if you see one and it looks good. Some people dont agree with going through the process of re-snipering, however I think its cool to bring something back to what it may have looked like on the Eastern front in WW2.
 
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I have seen a few of these and I think they have a problem with the recoil ring placement for the side rail bracket. The eye relief looks a bit off. I know a few originals and this scope is closer to the top mount rings. You have done a very nice job on your project. But then what would I know as Enfield T's are closer to my taste.

Thanks for the very interesting post.

Cheers
..MJ..

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Good to see you here, Brian. Of course, I love this restoration and I hope it shoots as good as it looks.

+1 on everything you stated about the mounts. Personally, I have had experience with three of Dmitry's mounts. Still have two of them and they are top notch. They were $400 back when you could find them and he told me that I bought the last one he had, a couple years back. Igor's get great reviews and yours looks nice. Accumounts seem to be working for people but may not be quite as close to the originals?

For leather caps, I really like the Accumounts sets, but man they aren't cheap!

On your rear ring, is it too big for the tube? You could shim it with a thin strip of aluminum or brass.

Great looking stick!

John
 
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I have a PU sniper and I love it. The info is great. Thank you one and all.
Doc Les
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good to see you here, Brian. Of course, I love this restoration and I hope it shoots as good as it looks.

+1 on everything you stated about the mounts. Personally, I have had experience with three of Dmitry's mounts. Still have two of them and they are top notch. They were $400 back when you could find them and he told me that I bought the last one he had, a couple years back. Igor's get great reviews and yours looks nice. Accumounts seem to be working for people but may not be quite as close to the originals?

For leather caps, I really like the Accumounts sets, but man they aren't cheap!

On your rear ring, is it too big for the tube? You could shim it with a thin strip of aluminum or brass.

Great looking stick!

John </div></div>

Hey Joop,

Thanks, yeah I can spin the rear tube slightly . It seems a little loose in the rear ring. I was wondering if a aluminum/brass shim would work. Another member on GB suggested a small strip of sandpaper. I was thinking a grip tape of some sort but brass seems more permanent. Guess ill give it a try.

Thanks,
Brian
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MJ1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen a few of these and I think they have a problem with the recoil ring placement for the side rail bracket. The eye relief looks a bit off. I know a few originals and this scope is closer to the top mount rings. You have done a very nice job on your project. But then what would I know as Enfield T's are closer to my taste.

Thanks for the very interesting post.

Cheers
..MJ..

I guess it is technically a PE reproduction scope, maybe it is designed more for the PE top mount. I don't believe they are making PEM reproductions at this time so I guess ill have to deal with it. Oh, and I cant take credit for the work, that was Frank Robertson.

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Brian,

If you think you can get by with grip tape or sandpaper, by all means, go for it. I used a strip of thin brass on one ring of a PE top mount, once, just to get a better zero. You may not need something that thick. Use whatever works!
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Brian - thanks for the detailed advice and contacts. Much appreciated.

I have an original PE scope but the Accumount is a long way from fitting correctly.

It is so far off that it has dented my confidence in their products, and also that of my smith (who had previously used a LOT of their products inhis projects).
 
Re: 1942 PEM Re-Sniper

hello scharfschütze
i do have a polish 1953 m44 in good shape and i am thinking of adding this sidemount that you have there to it.
i would like to use a nikon m223 2-8 scope with a 32mm objective lense for it that i have. of course with reducing rings to fit the 1" tube.
would this scope still fit without removing the rear sight or would that be a too fat lens.

thanks
 
Re: 1942 PEM Re-Sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cobaltbomb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> hello scharfschütze
i do have a polish 1953 m44 in good shape and i am thinking of adding this sidemount that you have there to it.
i would like to use a nikon m223 2-8 scope with a 32mm objective lense for it that i have. of course with reducing rings to fit the 1" tube.
would this scope still fit without removing the rear sight or would that be a too fat lens.

thanks
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Cobalt,

Im not sure if it will work or not. Do you have the mount installed on the rifle? If so I would take measurements of it on the rifle and try to get a spec sheet of the scope that has all of the dimensions and see where you are at.

-Brian
 
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I had toyed with the idea of converting this unfired Yugo to a top mount.

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Beautiful rifles.
 
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Beautiful rifle! Frank does quality work. Bought one of his 91/30 PU repros a few years back.
 
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Wonder why it is, that someone has not built a bunch of these
in reproduction for sale. I'm sure they would sale like hot cakes.

Doc Les