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Re: AR trigger
What kind of trigger? Single Stage, Two-Stage, Combat trigger, Adjustable? Many choices....
Try to get a used Geissele, but I haven't seen too many people giving them up. They really are worth their price tag if $50 more isn't too hard to swing.
In the $150 range, I've read good things about CMC triggers.
And if you are in a real pinch for cash, try out a set of JP yellow springs. They work great on mil spec triggers and are only $10. I started with this route and it was a huge improvement over the standard springs. Eventually I saved up for a Geissele SSA-E and it is great.
What kind of trigger? Single Stage, Two-Stage, Combat trigger, Adjustable? Many choices....
Try to get a used Geissele, but I haven't seen too many people giving them up. They really are worth their price tag if $50 more isn't too hard to swing.
In the $150 range, I've read good things about CMC triggers.
And if you are in a real pinch for cash, try out a set of JP yellow springs. They work great on mil spec triggers and are only $10. I started with this route and it was a huge improvement over the standard springs. Eventually I saved up for a Geissele SSA-E and it is great.
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How about just a LITTLE more information about what you are wanting...such as: 1) single or two-stage? 2) adjustable or not? 3) your needs/wants for the trigger (or the situation in which you'll be using it primarily such as comps, hunting, so on), etc., etc., etc.?
There are numerous triggers in various configurations around the general price range, but knowing what YOU are looking for would go a long way in cutting out some of the speculation and arguments that always ensues in these types of threads.
ETA: Damn! goose beat me to the punch while I was waiting on Comcast to get its $#!T together and load the damned page!!
How about just a LITTLE more information about what you are wanting...such as: 1) single or two-stage? 2) adjustable or not? 3) your needs/wants for the trigger (or the situation in which you'll be using it primarily such as comps, hunting, so on), etc., etc., etc.?
There are numerous triggers in various configurations around the general price range, but knowing what YOU are looking for would go a long way in cutting out some of the speculation and arguments that always ensues in these types of threads.
ETA: Damn! goose beat me to the punch while I was waiting on Comcast to get its $#!T together and load the damned page!!
Re: AR trigger
two stage rock river is hard to beat for around 100 bux
two stage rock river is hard to beat for around 100 bux
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I'm planning on using it for target shooting, doubt hunting except jack rabbit massacre, a little run and gun shooting, home defense... stupid question but what are the differences in stages? not really sure what I want besides probably something in the 3-4lb pull range? pretty smooth? what are you guys shooting and y?
I'm planning on using it for target shooting, doubt hunting except jack rabbit massacre, a little run and gun shooting, home defense... stupid question but what are the differences in stages? not really sure what I want besides probably something in the 3-4lb pull range? pretty smooth? what are you guys shooting and y?
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I like my Jard adjustable. It has a very light and short pull.
I like my Jard adjustable. It has a very light and short pull.
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In terms of single-stage versus two-stage triggers...it really all comes down to a matter of personal preference as to which trigger you prefer as they are very different units. Here is a quick run-down I have posted in the past re: single versus two-stage triggers.
In terms of the operation of a 2-stage trigger...obviously, it has two portions that can be felt during trigger pull. The first stage has a much longer, generally heavier pull than the second stage. The first stage is normally called take-up (and some other synonyms) but should not be confused with creep or other slop in the trigger. At the end of the first stage, you'll experience a definite stop. This is the beginning of the second stage. At this point, you have "staged" the trigger and are ready to engage the second stage and fire. The trigger essentially works like a single stage trigger at this point. You should have a crisp, clean break with around 2.0lbs (give or take) of pressure.
An AR running a single-stage trigger will get you into a trigger like that found commonly on bolt action rifles. No creep, no slop, minimal reset, just apply pressure to the trigger and then break with around a 3-4lb pull or so (depending on the mfg). The 2-stage on the other hand offers safety and accuracy. You get a long, first stage with around 2.5lbs pull then a second stage with a crisp, clean pull similar to a single stage trigger, but with only a 2lb pull (give or take...the Geissele SSA for example is a 2.5lb/2.0lb two-stage trigger). You can't safely get an AR single-stage trigger much below the 3-3.5lb pull mark because of the risk of AD's, bump fires, etc., etc. The 2-stage triggers (some) are infinietly more adjustable to get a truly "tuned" trigger setup to the individual shooter's preferences. Take the Geissele for example...you can get a "Match" 2-stage trigger with a 2lb first stage with a 12oz second stage (infinitely lighter than anything you can get close to with a single-stage trigger).
The Geissele triggers are the cat's meow and are available in a number of different configurations, including adjustable/non-adjustable, varying weights of pull (total and in each stage), standard or flat trigger shoes, etc. I run a couple different Geissele triggers for various setups and they are by far the best bang on the market right now in my experience and opinion. While they exceed your budget somewhat, they are well worth the additional money. You can buy one from Midway USA and use one of the discount codes to get the price down somewhat (likely into the $180 range or so for the basic SSA), or you can get with various Hide vendors and see what kind of a price you can get on the particular trigger you want.
For a single stage unit, I run the Timney in a couple ARs and it is a good option also (and can be had for basically the same or slightly lower price if you can find them on sale).
Here are links to the two companies for you to browse at your leisure:
http://geissele.com/
https://www.timneytriggers.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=17
Good luck!
In terms of single-stage versus two-stage triggers...it really all comes down to a matter of personal preference as to which trigger you prefer as they are very different units. Here is a quick run-down I have posted in the past re: single versus two-stage triggers.
In terms of the operation of a 2-stage trigger...obviously, it has two portions that can be felt during trigger pull. The first stage has a much longer, generally heavier pull than the second stage. The first stage is normally called take-up (and some other synonyms) but should not be confused with creep or other slop in the trigger. At the end of the first stage, you'll experience a definite stop. This is the beginning of the second stage. At this point, you have "staged" the trigger and are ready to engage the second stage and fire. The trigger essentially works like a single stage trigger at this point. You should have a crisp, clean break with around 2.0lbs (give or take) of pressure.
An AR running a single-stage trigger will get you into a trigger like that found commonly on bolt action rifles. No creep, no slop, minimal reset, just apply pressure to the trigger and then break with around a 3-4lb pull or so (depending on the mfg). The 2-stage on the other hand offers safety and accuracy. You get a long, first stage with around 2.5lbs pull then a second stage with a crisp, clean pull similar to a single stage trigger, but with only a 2lb pull (give or take...the Geissele SSA for example is a 2.5lb/2.0lb two-stage trigger). You can't safely get an AR single-stage trigger much below the 3-3.5lb pull mark because of the risk of AD's, bump fires, etc., etc. The 2-stage triggers (some) are infinietly more adjustable to get a truly "tuned" trigger setup to the individual shooter's preferences. Take the Geissele for example...you can get a "Match" 2-stage trigger with a 2lb first stage with a 12oz second stage (infinitely lighter than anything you can get close to with a single-stage trigger).
The Geissele triggers are the cat's meow and are available in a number of different configurations, including adjustable/non-adjustable, varying weights of pull (total and in each stage), standard or flat trigger shoes, etc. I run a couple different Geissele triggers for various setups and they are by far the best bang on the market right now in my experience and opinion. While they exceed your budget somewhat, they are well worth the additional money. You can buy one from Midway USA and use one of the discount codes to get the price down somewhat (likely into the $180 range or so for the basic SSA), or you can get with various Hide vendors and see what kind of a price you can get on the particular trigger you want.
For a single stage unit, I run the Timney in a couple ARs and it is a good option also (and can be had for basically the same or slightly lower price if you can find them on sale).
Here are links to the two companies for you to browse at your leisure:
http://geissele.com/
https://www.timneytriggers.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=17
Good luck!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cannonman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and i might be able to scrounge up another 50$ for a geisele. just wondering if you guys think its worth it(to you). </div></div>
Yes.
Recently replaced a Rock River NM with a Geissele Hi Speed; you wouldn't believe the difference without actually feeling it. It's quite remarkable. As ORD explained well, the adjustability allows your second stage pull weight to be incredibly light (MUCH lighter feeling than what could be accomplished safely in a in a single). Getting the right balance between stage weights,sear engagement etc.. makes it feel lighter than it actually is. Having a 2 pound first stage and even a 1 pound second will feel significantly different than a single 3 pound or otherwise different combination. The second stage can be adjusted well below a pound, somewhere in the order of 8 oz (dont remember exact figure). You can really make them feel however you like, and can change settings very easily.
I recently bought the HI Speed as a package (highly recommend) that comes with DMR, Match and Service springs for different ranges in first stage pull weight. They are all adjustable, but you can interchange them for a wide range and variety of pull weights if your needs change.
Good luck-
Edit: I just re read that you might be able to swing one of the Geissele models but didn't take notice your original budget. It's worth bringing your lunch to work or shaving a few of your bills down for a short period. Shoot some steel instead of brass. In the end they cost very little compared to your optic or other rifle parts. The most expensive models will run $269-279, sounds steep but not exactly breaking the bank for something that will completely change your rifle. Even if one of the nicer fixed models suit you better, it's one of the most worthwhile investments in my opinion.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cannonman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and i might be able to scrounge up another 50$ for a geisele. just wondering if you guys think its worth it(to you). </div></div>
Yes.
Recently replaced a Rock River NM with a Geissele Hi Speed; you wouldn't believe the difference without actually feeling it. It's quite remarkable. As ORD explained well, the adjustability allows your second stage pull weight to be incredibly light (MUCH lighter feeling than what could be accomplished safely in a in a single). Getting the right balance between stage weights,sear engagement etc.. makes it feel lighter than it actually is. Having a 2 pound first stage and even a 1 pound second will feel significantly different than a single 3 pound or otherwise different combination. The second stage can be adjusted well below a pound, somewhere in the order of 8 oz (dont remember exact figure). You can really make them feel however you like, and can change settings very easily.
I recently bought the HI Speed as a package (highly recommend) that comes with DMR, Match and Service springs for different ranges in first stage pull weight. They are all adjustable, but you can interchange them for a wide range and variety of pull weights if your needs change.
Good luck-
Edit: I just re read that you might be able to swing one of the Geissele models but didn't take notice your original budget. It's worth bringing your lunch to work or shaving a few of your bills down for a short period. Shoot some steel instead of brass. In the end they cost very little compared to your optic or other rifle parts. The most expensive models will run $269-279, sounds steep but not exactly breaking the bank for something that will completely change your rifle. Even if one of the nicer fixed models suit you better, it's one of the most worthwhile investments in my opinion.
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Did anyone mention to save a lil more or hunt for a Geislee yet?
Did anyone mention to save a lil more or hunt for a Geislee yet?
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I am going with a timney for my build. One trigger for many uppers. Why not save a little longer and get the best?
I am going with a timney for my build. One trigger for many uppers. Why not save a little longer and get the best?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aloreman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">two stage rock river is hard to beat for around 100 bux</div></div>
THis, and then when funds are available get a Geiselle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aloreman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">two stage rock river is hard to beat for around 100 bux</div></div>
THis, and then when funds are available get a Geiselle
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Contrary to what everyone says, if you are not shooting precision, trigger is not a big deal. Just smooth it up, and dry fire it until you make it work. It is more about training than equiptment. When you start shoot crows at past 200 yards or shooting tiny groups, you might want to upgrade. When you do get a Geiessle.
Blasting cans, banging steel and HD do not require much precison. I will be flamed now.
RTH
Contrary to what everyone says, if you are not shooting precision, trigger is not a big deal. Just smooth it up, and dry fire it until you make it work. It is more about training than equiptment. When you start shoot crows at past 200 yards or shooting tiny groups, you might want to upgrade. When you do get a Geiessle.
Blasting cans, banging steel and HD do not require much precison. I will be flamed now.
RTH
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contrary to what everyone says, if you are not shooting precision, trigger is not a big deal. Just smooth it up, and dry fire it until you make it work. It is more about training than equiptment. When you start shoot crows at past 200 yards or shooting tiny groups, you might want to upgrade. When you do get a Geiessle.
Blasting cans, banging steel and HD do not require much precison. I will be flamed now.
RTH </div></div>
FLAME!!!! 'Nuff said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contrary to what everyone says, if you are not shooting precision, trigger is not a big deal. Just smooth it up, and dry fire it until you make it work. It is more about training than equiptment. When you start shoot crows at past 200 yards or shooting tiny groups, you might want to upgrade. When you do get a Geiessle.
Blasting cans, banging steel and HD do not require much precison. I will be flamed now.
RTH </div></div>
FLAME!!!! 'Nuff said.
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Guys-lee....you need springs, help, problems - just call 'em and parts are on their way. Once you buy one you just can't stop, 'till every AR's got the Geissele.
Guys-lee....you need springs, help, problems - just call 'em and parts are on their way. Once you buy one you just can't stop, 'till every AR's got the Geissele.
