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1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

ngodwetrust21

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For those of you looking to make a quick buck, like me, with your extra gear, read this and thank me later.

MARKET EFFECTS

Primary market prices of the banned guns and magazines rose by upwards
of 50 percent during 1993 and 1994, while the ban was being debated in
Congress. Gun distributors, dealers, and collectors speculated that the
banned weapons would become expensive collectors' items. However,
prices fell sharply after the ban was implemented. Exhibit 4 shows price
trends for a number of firearms. Prices for banned AR-15 rifles, exact
copies, and legal substitutes at least doubled in the year preceding the ban,
fell to near 1992 levels once the ban took effect, and remained at those
levels at least through mid-1996. Similarly, prices of banned SWD
semiautomatic pistols rose by about 47 percent during the year preceding
the ban but fell by about 20 percent the following year. For comparison,
exhibit 4 shows that the prices of unbanned Davis and Lorcin
semiautomatic pistols (among the crime guns police seize most frequently)
remained virtually constant over the entire period.[6]

Fueled by the preban speculative price boom, production of assault
weapons surged in the months leading up to the ban. Data limitations
preclude precise and comprehensive counts. However, estimates based on
BATF gun production data suggest that the annual production of five
categories of assault weapons--AR-15s, models by Intratec, SWD, AA
Arms, and Calico--and legal substitutes rose by more than 120 percent,
from an estimated average of 91,000 guns annually between 1989 and
1993 to about 204,000 in 1994--more than 1 year's extra supply (see
exhibit 5). In contrast, production of unbanned Lorcin and Davis pistols
fell by about 35 percent, from an average of 283,000 annually between
1989 and 1993 to 184,000 in 1994.


These trends suggest that the preban price and production increases
reflected speculation that grandfathered weapons and magazines in the
banned categories would become profitable collectors' items after the ban
took effect. Instead, assault weapons prices fell sharply within months
after the ban was in place, apparently under the combined weight of
preban overproduction of grandfathered guns and the introduction of new
legal substitute guns at that time.

These findings resemble what happened in 1989, when imports of several
models of assault rifles surged prior to the implementation of a Federal
ban.[7] Shortly thereafter, while California debated its own ban, criminal
use of assault weapons declined,[8] suggesting that higher prices and
speculative stockpiling made the guns less accessible to criminal users.[9]

It was plausible that the price and production trends related to the 1994
ban would be followed by an increase in reported thefts of assault
weapons, for at least two reasons. First, if short-term price increases in
primary markets temporarily kept assault weapons from entering illegal
sales channels, criminals might be tempted to steal them instead. In
addition, dealers and collectors who paid high speculative prices for
grandfathered assault weapons around the time of the ban, but then
watched as their investment depreciated after the ban took effect, might be
inclined to sell the guns to ineligible purchasers and then falsely report
them as stolen to insurance companies and regulatory agencies.[10]

By the spring of 1996, however, there had been no such increase. Instead,
thefts of assault weapons declined about 14 percent as a fraction of all
thefts of semiautomatics.[11] Therefore, it appears that, at least in the short
term, the grandfathered assault weapons remained largely in dealers' and
collectors' inventories instead of leaking into the secondary markets
through which criminals tend to obtain guns.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles1/173405.txt
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is ar15dotcom down again? </div></div>

OOO My fault, I though this was the section for Semi-Auto Rifles.

How silly of me!
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

Well every almost every single semi auto rifle at the gunshops near me are sold out. So I don't know if the high prices are having much of a effect.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

This would be impossible to track doing face to face sales as their can not be a date put on it as to when it happened. it would be like chasing a ghost. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div>
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div>

Lawyers are your answer my good man.

You set up LLC's as an investment or asset "holding company" for each weapon.
You don't transfer the weapon - you sell the LLC. All the assets go with it.

Let the ATF figure out how to stop that. Be an utter nightmare for them to override 50 states' business entity laws and the us tax code. :)

Maybe they can but its way out of their jurisdiction.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

Absolutely correct. Makes me glad I setup an NFA trust in the summer, albeit for a different purpose. Best $250 (on average) a person can ever spend to give them more flexibility on the possession, use and transfer of all types of firearms.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

But what a mess to deal with...

Better to find a way to stop the crap before it happens.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conrad101st</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div>

Lawyers are your answer my good man.

You set up LLC's as an investment or asset "holding company" for each weapon.
You don't transfer the weapon - you sell the LLC. All the assets go with it.

Let the ATF figure out how to stop that. Be an utter nightmare for them to override 50 states' business entity laws and the us tax code. :)

Maybe they can but its way out of their jurisdiction. </div></div>
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

I just hope the NRA doesn't say something utterly stupid tomorrow and concede one dam inch or issue.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div>

Fienstein can write her bill however she wants, when the House committee gets done with it I can just about guarantee you she won't recognize it.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

makes perfect sense. All the assholes that are buying are flooding the market right now with 5 AR's sitting at home. After a bill passes there will be more than enough to go around since guys will look to unload.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TriggerHappy44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Absolutely correct. Makes me glad I setup an NFA trust in the summer, albeit for a different purpose. Best $250 (on average) a person can ever spend to give them more flexibility on the possession, use and transfer of all types of firearms. </div></div>

I also set one up, for a different reason and was thinking the same in case of a all out ban.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dan Tucker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This would be impossible to track doing face to face sales as their can not be a date put on it as to when it happened. it would be like chasing a ghost. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div> </div></div>

Not if the ban required existing owners to register weapons that qualified. In that case selling would be pretty much extinct except to someone who wanted a SHTF gun and not a gun to take to a range or anywhere someone may ask for proof of registration.

I could also see someone not registering in an attempt to be able to hold onto it if they came knocking, but again, they have a weapon that is nearly unsellable and for the most part a SHTF weapon.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

That is correct. The only way would be to have all registered and if caught that would be the start of confiscating and possible time in the poky. I think our country will see the start of another civil war if they think they are going to get radical with it.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: locobob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div>

Fienstein can write her bill however she wants, when the House committee gets done with it I can just about guarantee you she won't recognize it.
</div></div>

This is exactly what I'm thinking (hoping) will happen.

Look at how the House Republicans are digging in their heels on the budget vote. If they hang tough, a gun ban bill might never make it to the floor for a vote. It wouldnt make a bit of difference what Fienstein and the Senate want to do. Obama and Holder would only have the option to try to restrict things through executive order. There are mixed opinions on what, if anything, they could really do.

The Senate (and obviously the Executive Branch) are definitely lost causes on this issue. The NRA should focus their lobbying efforts on the House to stop this thing.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

Don't wait for a bill to write your congressman and senators. I wrote my congressman yesterday. I reminded him to look at the election of 94' after the first AWB was passed and how the balance of power shifted.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dan Tucker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This would be impossible to track doing face to face sales as their can not be a date put on it as to when it happened. it would be like chasing a ghost. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ODonnks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I've read the new ban is a little different.
Dianne F's proposal will also stop the sale or transfer of banned weapons.

If that flies, whatever banned weapons we own cannot be sold and will die with their owners.

</div></div> </div></div>

Not if the ban required existing owners to register weapons that qualified. In that case selling would be pretty much extinct except to someone who wanted a SHTF gun and not a gun to take to a range or anywhere someone may ask for proof of registration.

I could also see someone not registering in an attempt to be able to hold onto it if they came knocking, but again, they have a weapon that is nearly unsellable and for the most part a SHTF weapon. </div></div>

Wouldn't that be considered shtf? Fits the definition to me
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

Wouldn't that be considered shtf? Fits the definition to me [/quote]

To some it may. But if it came down to registering and not being able to make future purchases vs hiding them, being unable to use them and a felony charge if caught I believe most would register.
 
Re: 1994 Assault Rifle Ban Effect on Prices!

Plenty of "black rifles" went up tremendously after the 1994 ban. Mainly imported rifles like the FN FAL/ FNC, various models of the Galil, and many of the HK 91/93/94s, the early AKs, etc.

The 1994 ban took about 5 years to legislate. The original intended ban would have been pretty bad, but was heavily watered down due to the time it took to pass and its attachment to the Crime Bill. The same players are now involved and I think they have learned their lesson. I think the coming ban is going to be much worse and more far reaching. There is much the president can do without legislation. And since he has never been held accountable for anything, that is not good.