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Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

Jayne

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I was watching "shooting USA" and noticed that when the showed the sign for the shooting facility it said something about "all weapons must be unloaded when entering" which pretty much every gun range says. Also, every time the pro shooters would step away from the line they made them clear their weapon.

So, even us gun people don't trust professional shooters enough to carry loaded weapons around?

Is the sign on the gun range going to stop someone from entering with a loaded weapon bent on evil (tm)? or are they afraid of accidents due to loaded weapons so they only want them loaded once they're inside the store?

Just noticing the irony of it all today for some reason.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

1. Basic range safety should apply to all equally
2. Keeps insurance premiums down
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shulette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Basic range safety should apply to all equally</div></div>

so...

1. all guns are always loaded
2. finger off the trigger until ready to shoot
3. know your target and what's beyond it
4. do not point your weapon at anything that you do not wish to destroy

which is what basic safety is to me should be augmented by:

5. keep your weapon and ammo separate until you're pretty sure you might want to use them and then it's OK to put them together

because _that_ is what makes us safe?

If rule #5 is that extra (and necessary) step why aren't we learning a new draw stroke that includes a "load and chamber a round" step after clear and rotate?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2. Keeps insurance premiums down </div></div>

ok that I believe.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

That one has always irked me another one that gets me is a local indoor range rents various full-auto weapons and on each bay a sign hangs that reads 'absolutely no rapid fire'
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

Having spent years working a private range, ALL, EVERY, EACH AND EVERY ONE is going to be unloaded when not in actual use.

Seen degreed, trained, professional shoot holes in range covers with "unloaded" firearms.

I quit working other peoples ranges.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

A concealed weapon in a public setting that is in a safe holster and won't be messed with unless needed is one thing. Guns at a range setting that are being manipulated and fired are quite another. I have seen far too many dumb things done at ranges to simply trust people I don't know who are manipulating a weapon over and over again. That same person with the weapon tucked safely in an IWB holster is an entirely different matter.

I've seen expert reloaders who have been at it 20 years put together a squib or double load too...same reason there are only a couple people whose reloads I will shoot.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

I may be wrong and usually am.
Jayne, where is your head and is it dark in there?
Regards, FM
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

I don't know any of you enough to blindly trust you with loaded weapons. Same applies at shooting ranges and everywhere else.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know any of you enough to blindly trust you with loaded weapons. Same applies at shooting ranges and everywhere else. </div></div>

You must really freak being around all those conceal carry people in FloraDUH.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

I assume the professionals you saw were competing. At my club no gun is loaded until you get the command 'load and make ready' after you finish the course of fire you get the command 'show clear' and 'holster or bag it depending upon the competition. That is the basic safety I am talking about in the context of competition and it should apply to all.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having spent years working a private range, ALL, EVERY, EACH AND EVERY ONE is going to be unloaded when not in actual use.

Seen degreed, trained, professional shoot holes in range covers with "unloaded" firearms.
</div></div>

So if they're unloaded, how did someone shoot holes in things? Did the sign not work?


I'm not trying to start a fight (really!), I just wanted to point out that we too resort to bans to reduce the likelihood of something happening that it's likely that our opponents will make the same argument. True or not it could/can be used against us.

Just something to think about.
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Powder Burns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know any of you enough to blindly trust you with loaded weapons. Same applies at shooting ranges and everywhere else. </div></div>

Well, I don't agree with this at all, it doesn't bother me that in my state there are a lot of other CCWers carrying loaded weapons pretty much everywhere. But I don't want them getting them out and constantly playing with them and forgetting if one is chambered or not either.

Jayne, you need to re-examine your logic. So we should allow people to sweep others with their guns loaded and safeties off because their finger is off the trigger?
 
Re: Ironic, or don't we trust each other either?

I had a response all typed up and the power went out. ATH touched on some of my points.

I am a match director and RO at my club/range. I don't care if Todd Jarrett comes to a match, he will not be allowed to handle a loaded pistol while the line is cold and line commands have yet to be announced. Thems the rules and they are good rules. It fosters safe handling. I know a guy who would not join a gunclub because he took offence in being told when he could and couldn't handle his weapon. Now when the match is over we may call an open range. In that instance, those who want to practice are free to handle, load, and fire as long as they clear the weapon after they are done and insert OBI. I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a bad idea, or on the reverse thinking it is a good idea to have several loaded weapons laying around on the line. I am a member of a private range but there has to be some idiotproof measures in place. Even in a private club I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really dumb shit. My fellow MD and myself were testing some loads a couple years ago and a new member, who had been vetted, and apprised of the safety rules, swept us both with a Garand from down the line. When confronted he insisted that it was not loaded. Shortly therafter we instituted an OBI rule AT ALL TIMES. I hated the rule but voted on it because I don't want some dumb dickhole putting an M2 ball round through any part, of my less than bulletproof ass. I am sorry to tell you that not everyone is as safe inhandling a firearm as some, and that is why we have these rules.
Now the CCW guys don't worry me because he is not supposed to be handling his weapon unless the need arrises. If the need arises I am glad he is there. I can assumeif he draws he will not be fiddle farting and finger fucking a weapon, but instead have a specific target in mind. He has been trained at least minimally and at this point in the game if I am not the source of aggression I should have little to worry about. If I am near the agressor chances are I willhave pulled before that individual with less training andhe won't have to pull...I hope.
One of the matches I run is a pistol/shotgun match that is intended to make guys and gals more familiar with their weapon, and what it, and they are capable of, in a sticky situation. They still haveto clear and ground their weapon before I can call the line safe, and target setters can go downrange. If they handle their weapon while someone is downrange they are immediately disqualified. This instills the respect that a firearm deserves and it keeps liability insurance managable. One incident is all it takes to close a range, and THAT is not acceptable. So it is with that in mind that we have to eliminate the chances of an incident. Sorry if you don't like that but that is how it is. This is also why the shooting sports are some of the safest sports one can enjoy.