Rifle Scopes New bushnell tacticals 2013

[Bubb]

Okay I have the current 2012 model which is FFP. As for using these for hold over, you loose most of the retical tree when above 10-12 power??? So what good would the new one in 30x be??? Even if you dialed elevation the box would probably only give you a mil or two in view for wind holds??? Have they addressed this?? I do for the money think these will be the TOP selling scope of 2013!!!

 

[remau308]

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????!!!!!//??11!!!/???11? that is all.

 

[Bubb]

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What's so weird about that?? I just think that no matter what power your on you should be able to see the whole retical??

 

[remau308]

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I believe you are over-thinking this WAY too much. Only be able to see enough to hold a mil or two for winds holds? Come on...I'm sure they have thought of such things like reticle thickness and FOV at full power. If not, then there's going to be a lot of returned scopes. Also, if you're wanting a reticle that you can see completely at all powers, then a FFP probably isn't what you want.

 

[Bubb]

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No, I can see all of the mils for wind. But I Loose a mil and a half on high power? I use this on my .22 and like using all the mag of he scope? The tree is 10 mils high but you HAVE to dial to use all the magnification. If you go to max power you loose the bottom of the tree? If your dop calls for 10 mills you have to back off full power to (see) the 10 mils or dial 2 mils and just see the 8 mil line?? And at 30 x you probably loose another 3 mils of the tree?? That just seems weird to me?

 

[remau308]

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What I don't understand about the Horus reticles is everyone's claim that you don't ever need to dial for elevation. These reticles were developed for quick and accurate followup shots. Even if I bought a Horus I would still dial my elevation needed into the turret, and use the reticle for whatever minute adjustments like I do now. Your problem does not seem like a problem to me at all.

 

[Bubb]

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I agree this is what you have to do if you want to use high power. Just would like to see the whole tree no matter what the power.

 

[remau308]

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Then you need a second focal plane scope. The math does not equate for you to be able to see the entire reticle throughout the entire range of the scope. It just isn't possible. You could make it thicker, so you can see it better on low power, but it would be huge when zoomed in, or you could make it perfect for full power, but it would be invisible on low power. There has to be compromises. You sound like you would be better off with a SFP scope.

 

[buffybuster]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree this is what you have to do if you want to use high power. Just would like to see the whole tree no matter what the power. </div></div>

You are a Second Focal Plane reticle person.

 

[uncledillers]

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The nature of the beast is that if your shooting so far that you need 30x zoom then you will not be able to use see the entire tree and the point of hold, and target in the same view it cant be done.

 

[Bubb]

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.....?..... I need to spend some time behind the scope thinking....

 

[Bubb]

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.....?..... I need to spend some time behind the scope thinking.... Like taking to a parent thanks for the talk....

 

[MK75]

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What are you planning on shooting at that you need 30x magnification anyway. I would have to assume the only time you would use that would be because you didn't bring your spotting scope and you just want to zoom in to see where you impacted at the range.

 

[Jon Lester]

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Bubb have you ran the Math to see what a total fov would have to be in order to get the full 38 mils of a h59 in view at 30x?
Not sure the hubble is available for that use.

 

[scudzuki]

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That would be one hell of a field of view to be able to see, say, 15 mils at 21x. Regardless of which focal plane the reticle is on, the field of view at max magnification is the limiting factor. Unless you want to mount a scope that is several times the size of a typical riflescope on your rifle, the included angle of the field visible through the scope at 20+ power is around half a degree, 30 MOA or 8.75 mils.

If you can figure out how to increase the angle of view in a package like the typical riflescope that will allow 30 mils (assuming the reticle is roughly centered) then you are smarter than all of the optical engineers at all of the top tier optics companies out there.

Joe

 

[Bubb]

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I got mad respect for the loose knowledge, we get to tap into on here. I use my bushy on my savage MK II for distance shooting 200 yards. Yea I can go farther but haven't got targets set yet to do it. When at 200 yards I like total magnification. I see where I hit on gong and call that wind hold for next shot. But I speed drill 50, 100, 200 yards just with hold over, no dialing ! .? Which takes about 7 /2 mils to 200. On 21x you eye is bottom of the view. If I want to go out farther I'd need to lower my mag to see the rest of the tree. These reticals in the end make you dial if you want magnification. You don't get both...... But it's great hearing different thoughts.

 

[Jon Lester]

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If mt thinking is right:
38 mils * 3.6= 136.8" In for half the ret
136.8/12= 11.4 feet for the view below the +
11.4*2 (the top half) =22.8 feet fov at 100 yards on 30 power!

Not going to happen in any scope I dont think, but who knows?

 

[Bubb]

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Jon now your just showing off...

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[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay I have the current 2012 model which is FFP. As for using these for hold over, you loose most of the retical tree when above 10-12 power??? So what good would the new one in 30x be??? Even if you dialed elevation the box would probably only give you a mil or two in view for wind holds??? Have they addressed this?? I do for the money think these will be the TOP selling scope of 2013!!! </div></div>

Just more versatility. 30x would be good for identifying, spotting, shooting groups, fclass, benchrest, varminting. I know for me I hardly use 3.5x on my HDMR but 21x gets used a lot. It's going to be the same scenario with the new 30x scope.

Sounds like a H-37 reticle in another scope would help you or accept dialing down the mag for holdovers.

Ever consider adding another 5 mils on the dial and holding over less???

Here's what I do with my HDMR/H59
I holdover up to 7.5 mils. Past that I dial the solution up to 15 mils and use the center dot. When I shoot ELR past the 15 dialed mils I have no choice but to holdover for the rest. I can dial 20 mils but the tracking is incorrect at the upmost and the scope is quite blurry because the erector is cocked so much.

 

[Jon Lester]

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Steve that is the same way I run my hdmrs as well. If I haves time on single engagements I will dial at any range, as tracking on my 3 is spot on.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve that is the same way I run my hdmrs as well. If I haves time on single engagements I will dial at any range, as tracking on my 3 is spot on. </div></div>

I'm glad I'm not alone Jon! Feels like it sometimes, LOL.

I didn't mention that but I do the same if I'm going to be shooting at a fixed distance for a while. It's nice to be able to choose whether you want to holdover or dial as the situation or mood dictates.

The tracking on my 3 HDMR's are fine till they are dialed a few mils from the very top, the problem could be a optical illusion as the image gets blurry??? I've got 30 moa (SurgeonXL) on the base of my ELR rig but if I had 40 moa of cant, I'd be OK dialing 20 mils and holding the rest for the longer shots.