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Rifle Scopes Steiner 4-16 or 5-25x56

savageman

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I am looking for a match scope for my try 22. Trying to decide between the 2.

How much better is the eye box on the 4-16?

Also if I go with the 5-25 I will obviously go with the Msr reticle. Does it get to thick on 25x? And if I am doing a match and want to shoot it at around 15x for added field of view can u still pick the reticle up easily?

Any info would be very appreciated.
Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See photos there:
http://www.finnaccuracy.com/steiner_military_MSR_special_reticle.htm

And no need to worry about eyebox. Works just fine. </div></div>

Thanks a lot that's exactly what I was looking for. Reticule looks like it gets hard to pick up around 10x. Which is not bad. I think I would get the 4-16 if they offered that ret.
 
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There's now a 3–15x50 offering the MSR reticle. No word on availability or pricing that I've seen.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Andreas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's now a 3–15x50 offering the MSR reticle. No word on availability or pricing that I've seen. </div></div>

That looks great. I wonder if anyone on the forums can give us any more info on that 3-15. I would take one right now if the price is around the same as the 4-16.
 
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Should be available very soon...

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Very soon in the gun industry could be a year. In that picture the scope has CW turrets I hope they offer it with CCW option.

Good looking scope looking forward to trying one out.
 
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i wonder why the went the 3-15 route when they already do a 4-16. couldnt they have just done the msr in that?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lowfill707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder why the went the 3-15 route when they already do a 4-16. couldnt they have just done the msr in that? </div></div>

Ya i wonder that also. Honestly I would still rather have the 4-16 with the MSR over this 3-15. Reason being, they went with the 15mil turrets instead of the 10mil ones. I have to believe the 10mil turrets have much better spacing.

Still will take that 3-15 with MSR over the 4-16 without.
 
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Near future = 5 years
Almost ready = 1-4 years
Soon = 2-12 months
Very soon = 1-12 weeks
Now = 1-7 days

Have not tried 4-16, but by looking specsheets in Steiner webpage 3-15 is about 50mm/2" shorter.
 
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The 3-15 should replace the 3-12's. I do believe the new models coming out for steiner are all going to be using a 5X erector. I'm waiting impatiently and hoping for a 4-20 w/ MSR to come out. That would replace my 4-16 quick right and in a hurry. If they keep the pricing very similar to the older models (pretty sure they will be close) they will be making a mark for themselves in the market that would be very hard to beat.
 
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I can answer a few of the questions. The 3x-15x isn't replacing the 3x-12x because it is a different optical platform using the 5x erector system. It will also be shorter than 4x systems. The controls (specifically the elevation turret) will be the same as the 5x-25x. Production will be handled in Germany. Pricing will be sub $3k. I'm hoping to be able to deliver by the end of the first quarter or early second quarter but if someone comes back and tries to hold me to that it will be the last time I speculate on delivery times. If there are any other questions let me know.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steiner Optics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can answer a few of the questions. The 3x-15x isn't replacing the 3x-12x because it is a different optical platform using the 5x erector system. It will also be shorter than 4x systems. The controls (specifically the elevation turret) will be the same as the 5x-25x. Production will be handled in Germany. Pricing will be sub $3k. I'm hoping to be able to deliver by the end of the first quarter or early second quarter but if someone comes back and tries to hold me to that it will be the last time I speculate on delivery times. If there are any other questions let me know. </div></div>


Thanks for the info.

I have one more question. Do you guys have any plans to put the msr reticule in the 4-16? And if so do you have a vague timeframe?
 
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As an general guideline, more customers asking for it from (put brand here), faster changes or upgrades will be available.
 
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The 3-15 with 10mil turrets would be something I'd pick up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hk dave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 3-15 with 10mil turrets would be something I'd pick up. </div></div>

I would be fine with them just putting the Msr in the 4-16. But being 2 inches shorter is a big positive too.

At this point I just am going to grab a 4-16 from a hide sponsor and go out and shoot. A couple of months waiting is a lot of practice. Plus the 4-16 seems likes a kick ass optic anyways.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savageman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hk dave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 3-15 with 10mil turrets would be something I'd pick up. </div></div>

I would be fine with them just putting the Msr in the 4-16. But being 2 inches shorter is a big positive too.

At this point I just am going to grab a 4-16 from a hide sponsor and go out and shoot. A couple of months waiting is a lot of practice. Plus the 4-16 seems likes a kick ass optic anyways.</div></div>

Agreed... i'd be ok with that as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savageman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steiner Optics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can answer a few of the questions. The 3x-15x isn't replacing the 3x-12x because it is a different optical platform using the 5x erector system. It will also be shorter than 4x systems. The controls (specifically the elevation turret) will be the same as the 5x-25x. Production will be handled in Germany. Pricing will be sub $3k. I'm hoping to be able to deliver by the end of the first quarter or early second quarter but if someone comes back and tries to hold me to that it will be the last time I speculate on delivery times. If there are any other questions let me know. </div></div>


Thanks for the info.

I have one more question. Do you guys have any plans to put the msr reticule in the 4-16? And if so do you have a vague timeframe? </div></div>

At this point we do not plan on offering the MSR in the current 4x-16x. That's not to say we don't have big plans for future products.
 
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Here is a review I posed yesterday. You may find it helpful.



This is a short review of my new Steiner tactical 5x25 34mm FFP with MSR reticle.

Let me preface this short review by stating that in no way am I an expert in rifle or sport optics. Nor in any way am I knocking any other optic manufacture, this is just one mans opinion. Now in saying that I have been looking though rifles scopes since I was fourteen years old. I have owned optics from IOR, Leupold, Premier, SWFA, Burris, Bushnell, Nikon, Eotech, Aimpoint, Vortex, and Weaver. I have also used optics from Nightforce and S&B. I know what I like and have some perspective as a hunter and tactical target shooter. Up until this Steiner optic my Premier Heritage 5x25 has been the highest end optic I have owned and operated. The premier is an excellent and hearty optic in most every way.

This particular Steiner tested is a FFP optic with a MSR reticle that is very similar to the S&B P4F reticle, those of you who know the MP8 or Mill Gap reticles I would say it's close to those as well. The optic was mounted on a Sako TRG 22 with a 34mm QD mount.

Size: The physical size of the Steiner is comparable in most ways to the Premier 5x25 however it feels significantly lighter. It is a large optic, no doubt. Hard to say which one would take more of a beating however as the Steiner feels very sold. Considering Steiner has been one of the foremost manufactures of military optics it would probably be a solid piece of equipment, so making a judgment call based on feel and pedigree on this one.

Adjustments and tracking: The level of adjustment and accuracy of the adjustment on this optic is stellar and gets excellent marks. On my range test I zipped back and forth from the 100-yard mark on the parallax knob to the 600-yard mark to some targets that I know exist at those distances. The parallax was dead on; I needed almost no adjustment once the knobs were set to the appropriate distance. This makes a big difference when having to move from target to target quickly. I did a tracking test out to eighteen mills vertically and eight mills horizontally, the tracking was dead nuts. I zipped the turrets back to zero after taking it out to eighteen and the optic went back to zero perfectly.

Glass: As I get more and more experienced with the higher end rifle optics the more important glass clarity becomes to me. Now I was not able to test the optic in rain or fog or low light conditions. The test was performed mid day in very overcast light conditions. That said the picture was very bright and clear. The clarity was equal too any S&B I have looked through, I would say the only optic I have owned that comes close was my IOR 3.5X18 that sported German made Schot glass. There was no chromatic aberration what so ever and the glass tends to be on the neutral to cool side. So the glass provided an image that was not too warm and not to cool. The sight box was easily the most generous I have ever experienced as well the eye relief is equally as good, this was even at its highest magnification. Bottom line I would say the glass is as excellent as I have ever seen.

Conclusion: At least for my initial thoughts and views on this optic I would say I really believe its world class. Considering it is five to seven hundred dollars less expensive than an equivalent S&B with equally impressive German glass, build quality, and pedigree. For me it’s a no brainer and a solid barging at $3,000 in comparison. Is it cheap, no way! but is it as equally as good as an S&B but for less cash. In my limited experience and opinion, I would say yes. Steiner is the in some ways the new kid on the block at least in the American market and only time will tell if its going to last, or if the build quality will remain solid? But if this is any indicator of what those crazy Germans can do then I would say the other manufactures have something to worry about.

I hope this provides a little insight to anyone considering purchasing one of these excellent optics.

Tuber out.
 
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The really nice thing about the 5x25 is the MSR reticle. You can get a full 20 mills backed out to 5x and at 17x you still get 10 mils in hash marks. The reticles has some very nice ranging features.
 
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Huber.... You are saying that the 5-25 has better glass than the premier? I have a IOR 3-18x50 for comparison and have been behind both premiers several times.

Also is the eye box better than the IOR and Premier?

Thanks a lot for the info.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savageman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Huber.... You are saying that the 5-25 has better glass than the premier? I have a IOR 3-18x50 for comparison and have been behind both premiers several times.

Also is the eye box better than the IOR and Premier?

Thanks a lot for the info. </div></div>

Hey Savage. I have run the 3-18x50 IOR myself and it has very nice glass but the reticle is a little thick at higher magnification for me. To be clear the eye box is better than the IOR on the Steiner, it's very forgiving. And lastly the glass is as well a little better than the Premier, which says a lot as the Premier glass is great.

You really can't go wrong with the Steiner I think. Thats not to say the other optics are not good. Really depends on your budget. The IOR is going to run you over a thousand less. But then if your budget was $2k then I would seriously consider the Steiner 4x16x50.