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Installing a Manners T4A - THANKS ALL!!

reximus

reximus

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For whatever reason, I can seem to get the barreled action to drop in. When I have the recoil lug up agains the slot (as far back as possible), the action holes are still too far forward!

Has anyone had similar issues? Suggestions?

I guess I'll call Manners tomorrow, but I'd like to get it figured out tonight if possible.

Thanks.

<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">[edit]</span> All issues were professionally resolved by the great guys at Manners and Badger. A BIG thanks to Tom Manners, who personally responded to this post, helped me out through several phone conversations, and who took GREAT care of me throughout my ordeal. It turns out that my freaking Remington action was a bit off spec - and yet Tom still fixed it for me!

Thanks for getting me up and running and ready to go! I will continue to do business with the guys in North Kansas City, Mo. Some real good stuff coming from that part of the country!</span>
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Ugh. That is what I was thinking too. I was hoping my brand new stock wouldn't have to be modified to fit a standard Remington action. I thought the Manners stock was supposed to be a drop in fit? Maybe I'm wrong?
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

My smith has told me that he has to mill out manners stocks regularly.
 
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Why would the ass-end of a recoil slot need to be milled out?
Every M700 locates the rear of the lug in the same spot. Even with fat lugs only the front needs to be opened.

Is it a Mini-Chassis?

Did you buy it off someone who bedded their action into it?
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would try removing your trigger to ensure you are actually having issues in the recoil lug area or something else. </div></div>You may have a point there. It does seem that something is keeping the action from bedding down all the way. It gets close and then rocks back and forth to where the front/back of the action is down. Never both at the same time. It might be the stock sides around the chassis...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wheres-Waldo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would the ass-end of a recoil slot need to be milled out?
Every M700 locates the rear of the lug in the same spot. Even with fat lugs only the front needs to be opened.

Is it a Mini-Chassis?

Did you buy it off someone who bedded their action into it?
</div></div>Yes, it is a Mini-Chassis. I bought it brand new - hence my being über frustrated with it not just dropping in and fitting easily.

I agree with you, that the back end of the recoil lug slot should not have to be milled out. It must be something else... Maybe interference from the trigger, or the stock sides preventing the action from dropping all the way down and bedding up properly.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reximus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ugh. That is what I was thinking too. I was hoping my brand new stock wouldn't have to be modified to fit a standard Remington action. I thought the Manners stock was supposed to be a drop in fit? Maybe I'm wrong? </div></div> Hi Reximus, it is very unlikely that the action screw to lug spacing spec is off on a factory remington untouched gun, it is only supposed to vary +- .0025, through the the years I have only seen one that was out of spec on the bolt hole spacing. Is it a bone stock action and trigger? If both are factory spec, we need to make sure one of your trigger pins has not walked, if it has it will hold up the action and will make it rock if it is the front pin. This will usally leave a mark in the chassis where it is hitting. Pm me your phone number and I will give you buzz, we will get you going asap. Thank you
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith has told me that he has to mill out manners stocks regularly. </div></div>

For recoil lugs or for aftermarket triggers? For what purpose is he milling them?

If your smith has to "regularly" mil out manners mini-chassis for the Remington factory recoil lug, I'm calling bullshit.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My smith has told me that he has to mill out manners stocks regularly. </div></div>

For recoil lugs or for aftermarket triggers? For what purpose is he milling them?

If your smith has to "regularly" mil out manners mini-chassis for the Remington factory recoil lug, I'm calling bullshit. </div></div> I agree, even the fact that the mini chassis is probably new enough that many smiths don't get the chance to "reguarly" mill them out. I had to open mine up just a hair for the wide timney trigger and my side bolt release. Yes, even with a bigger recoil lug it should be a drop in system. At least my few have been.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

I have to mill recoil lug pocket deeper on alot of stocks. seems aftermarket lugs are longer than stock. It sounds like this may be your problem.
SB
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

My manners stock dropped in my 700 action no prob. Just had to do a touch of shaving for barrel contour.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

My guess is that it's the trigger. If your trigger dowell pin is protruding then the barreled action won't seat properly in the chassis.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Agree on checking the trigger. Had similar fitment issue when trying to bolt my 700 with a Timney trigger. After some minor dremel work inside the trigger area everything fit together fine.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Just pulled the trigger completely off the BA. The chassis holes still don't line up with the action threads...

Good thing Manners has awesome service. I talked to Tom on the phone today and he's going to help me out. The issue is unfortunate, but I couldn't ask for a nicer guy/company to deal with. I have no doubt that the issue will get taken care of.

It is just frustrating not knowing what is causing the problem.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Unless you have a bent remo action..... Wouldn't be the first one I've seen. As for the service from Thom....... Fkn out standing. He bent over backwards to replace my stock here in Australia even upgrading me for nothing. My new .260 is freeken sweet thanks to Thom.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Please report back what the problem is. This is a rare occurrence. I've had 8 manners stocks all with mini chassis and I've used them on Surgeon, Stiller, Rem, and Defiance and never had to modify/mill anything other than opening up a few barrel channels.

Tom and his team at Manners are the best. The service is top notch and it's one of the few businesses you can actually call and speak with a real person instead of fucking automated computer.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

+1 for Tom at Manners. He helped me out on my savage 300 win mag build a bunch. Great guy/service/ and products.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Thomas Manners</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reximus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ugh. That is what I was thinking too. I was hoping my brand new stock wouldn't have to be modified to fit a standard Remington action. I thought the Manners stock was supposed to be a drop in fit? Maybe I'm wrong? </div></div> Hi Reximus, it is very unlikely that the action screw to lug spacing spec is off on a factory remington untouched gun, it is only supposed to vary +- .0025, through the the years I have only seen one that was out of spec on the bolt hole spacing. Is it a bone stock action and trigger? If both are factory spec, we need to make sure one of your trigger pins has not walked, if it has it will hold up the action and will make it rock if it is the front pin. This will usally leave a mark in the chassis where it is hitting. Pm me your phone number and I will give you buzz, we will get you going asap. Thank you </div></div>


^^^ this is why I run manners stock...It also helps that they are bad ass!

Tom and team are awesome!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Thomas Manners</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reximus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ugh. That is what I was thinking too. I was hoping my brand new stock wouldn't have to be modified to fit a standard Remington action. I thought the Manners stock was supposed to be a drop in fit? Maybe I'm wrong? </div></div> Hi Reximus, it is very unlikely that the action screw to lug spacing spec is off on a factory remington untouched gun, it is only supposed to vary +- .0025, through the the years I have only seen one that was out of spec on the bolt hole spacing. Is it a bone stock action and trigger? If both are factory spec, we need to make sure one of your trigger pins has not walked, if it has it will hold up the action and will make it rock if it is the front pin. This will usally leave a mark in the chassis where it is hitting. Pm me your phone number and I will give you buzz, we will get you going asap. Thank you </div></div>


^^^ this is why I run manners stock...It also helps that they are bad ass!

Tom and team are awesome! </div></div>

+2 Could not agree more!
Tom will get you squared away for sure!
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Mine was slightly crooked, both of the actions I put in it pushed hard right. I had to remove a lot of material from the barrel channel to get the last one to fit. That being said, the gun shoots just fine in it, and everything else on the stock is just fine.

1 action was a 700 from an AAC-sd, The other was a Pierce.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Just got a call from Tom. He got my barreled action and T4A in today and already is going to work on it. From what we can tell, the dimensions on my action are off!

Has anyone heard of the action screw holes being in a different location on a Remington 700 5R (L/A)?? It seems that my action mounting screw holes are .025" too far forward (too close to the recoil lug)... Ugh.

Tom is going to get it all fixed up for me! Great guy - great company - great product!
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like the recoil opening needs to be milled back slightly. </div></div>Looks like you were right all along Cap. I think that is what Tom is going to do to get it to line up. It is definitely not Manners' fault - more an issue with the "off" dimensions on my 700 BA (5R).
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

I very much like my manners stock and with customer service like that they will for sure get my future business.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xp100man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like somsone ???( Green ) faced the action off to much. </div></div>Will this affect anything other than the issue experienced here? Tom and Marty at Badger are going to cut back the recoil lug area to get my action to fit. Then they'll bed up the recoil lug recess. Should the action dimensional issue hurt accuracy or affect performance after the stock is 'bedded' up?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacticalHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I very much like my manners stock and with customer service like that they will for sure get my future business. </div></div>Good. I really like my other Manners stock too. They will continue to furnish all my future stocks. Tom and company are AWESOME!

I hope it is clear in this thread that the issue was with my action and not with my Manners T4-A. That being said, Tom was quick to respond to the issue and has taken great care of me! Props to him for taking time to help out the little guy! I hope I can steer more business his way. A+ company with a great product and superb service!

Thanks TOM!!
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Yep I don't think enough could be said about how much these guys do for customer support. After experienced an issue on first stock purchased through them (non product related) Tom was there to make it immediately right. For that they have earned a customer for life.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Badger will get you up and running and should be GTG no problems. Had to do the same thing with a 7 mag i had that took .020 to face the action, just cut the lug back to fix.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

So I was playing with my new toys in the basement this evening...

Latest issue: with an empty AI 300 Win Mag magazine in (remember this is the mini-chassis), the bolt won't cycle. When I put the mag in with the bolt closed and then pull the bolt all the way back (i.e. cycling after the last round fired or practicing with an empty mag), there's an audible click as the mag follower pops up and prevents the bolt from going back forward.

Is this a common issue / nature of the beast with the long action? I can't imagine that bein the case. When comparing empty 308 an 300 AI mags, the follower on the 300 sticks up while the 308 doesn't...

Thoughts, comments, advise??

Thanks.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reximus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was playing with my new toys in the basement this evening...

Latest issue: with an empty AI 300 Win Mag magazine in (remember this is the mini-chassis), the bolt won't cycle. When I put the mag in with the bolt closed and then pull the bolt all the way back (i.e. cycling after the last round fired or practicing with an empty mag), there's an audible click as the mag follower pops up and prevents the bolt from going back forward.

Is this a common issue / nature of the beast with the long action? I can't imagine that bein the case. When comparing empty 308 an 300 AI mags, the follower on the 300 sticks up while the 308 doesn't...

Thoughts, comments, advise??

Thanks. </div></div>

Yes it's standard on those mags and is a built in bolt stop. In order to cycle the bolt on the empty mag simply disassemble the mag and file the rear of the follower at a 45 deg angle. The bolt will then ride over it. 2 min job.
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

Is there a reason that it is designed that way? Maybe I just need more experience, but I can't imagine why you'd want the bolt to lock back like that...
 
Re: Installing a Manners T4A with Mini Chassis - HELP!

How about a picture of your new stick? I am trying to decide between a t2(a) and a XLR chassis for a .300wm
 
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