Well got to talking last night and this is what was brought up. So what do you guys think.
700 rem action
Just want a cheap new toy
So lets hear it.
700 rem action
Just want a cheap new toy
So lets hear it.
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Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I am liking the idea of having a bolt gun in this one as well, however not so cheap anymore.... http://www.gunbroker.com/Bolt-Action-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=*300+blackout
Considering you can buy just about every other caliber in this model for $600 or thereabouts, it kinda smarts at the moment. Jim R
I am liking the idea of having a bolt gun in this one as well, however not so cheap anymore.... http://www.gunbroker.com/Bolt-Action-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=*300+blackout
Considering you can buy just about every other caliber in this model for $600 or thereabouts, it kinda smarts at the moment. Jim R
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Just do it and don't look back. They are a blast to shoot
Just do it and don't look back. They are a blast to shoot
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I have one and like it soo much more in a bolt gun then a AR. It's a great round and sits by the back door. I have a rem 700 with a AAC barrel and my FIL has a Micro7. Mine shoots better, but his is a little more trim.
I have one and like it soo much more in a bolt gun then a AR. It's a great round and sits by the back door. I have a rem 700 with a AAC barrel and my FIL has a Micro7. Mine shoots better, but his is a little more trim.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I have a blk barrel on the way for a spare savage action. My form 4 cleared last week so I'll post a report once I get it all together and get it out but I'm on board with a blk bolt gun. I actually prefer a 300 bolt gun to a 300 gasser. Call me crazy
I have a blk barrel on the way for a spare savage action. My form 4 cleared last week so I'll post a report once I get it all together and get it out but I'm on board with a blk bolt gun. I actually prefer a 300 bolt gun to a 300 gasser. Call me crazy
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I put a 300 blk out together using AAC's barrel and a model 7 action and stock I had got in a trade...it's a lot of fun to shoot..
I put a 300 blk out together using AAC's barrel and a model 7 action and stock I had got in a trade...it's a lot of fun to shoot..
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
A friend and I were discussing this very same thing a few days ago. What we came up with is that it made more sense to build a .308. Subsonic they both use basically the same amount of powder, same projectiles. Supersonic the .308 is the clear winner. I have an AR chambered in .300BLK that's a lot of fun to shoot but it just doesn't make sense in a bolt gun.
A friend and I were discussing this very same thing a few days ago. What we came up with is that it made more sense to build a .308. Subsonic they both use basically the same amount of powder, same projectiles. Supersonic the .308 is the clear winner. I have an AR chambered in .300BLK that's a lot of fun to shoot but it just doesn't make sense in a bolt gun.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
If you handload then the AAC offers nothing over the 308. The 308 will do everything a BlackOut will do plus you can hammer a coyote at 650.
If you handload then the AAC offers nothing over the 308. The 308 will do everything a BlackOut will do plus you can hammer a coyote at 650.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Black out bolt guns are a blast to shoot got bit by the blk out bug myself so i built a custom one on a rem 700 so far shoots great for not doing anu load development and just killed my first deer in second season with it id highly recommend one!!
Black out bolt guns are a blast to shoot got bit by the blk out bug myself so i built a custom one on a rem 700 so far shoots great for not doing anu load development and just killed my first deer in second season with it id highly recommend one!!
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I guess I don't see the attraction of 300BLK. In supersonic, I'd rather just have a .308. In subsonic, I'd rather just have a 22rf.
Seems to me the trajectory of 300BLK subsonic makes it largely useless for anything other than just fun. Which is reason enuf I spoze.
I guess I don't see the attraction of 300BLK. In supersonic, I'd rather just have a .308. In subsonic, I'd rather just have a 22rf.
Seems to me the trajectory of 300BLK subsonic makes it largely useless for anything other than just fun. Which is reason enuf I spoze.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
But what fun is only having what you "need" if that was the case we would all have 3 guns. A 30/06, 12ga, and 22lr.
I have a 300blk which I do like even though I have a SRT 77/44 integral and a 22lr. They all have very similar trajectories. But I don't see giving up any of them.
But what fun is only having what you "need" if that was the case we would all have 3 guns. A 30/06, 12ga, and 22lr.
I have a 300blk which I do like even though I have a SRT 77/44 integral and a 22lr. They all have very similar trajectories. But I don't see giving up any of them.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SnkBit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A friend and I were discussing this very same thing a few days ago. What we came up with is that it made more sense to build a .308. Subsonic they both use basically the same amount of powder, same projectiles. Supersonic the .308 is the clear winner. I have an AR chambered in .300BLK that's a lot of fun to shoot but it just doesn't make sense in a bolt gun. </div></div>
+1
The 300 AAC was developed to be a shorter 30 cal round that would function in the smaller AR-15 platform rather than move up to the heavier AR-10. There are no benefits to running 300 AAC over a .308 win in a bolt action platform, unless you already have a 300 AAC AR-15 and want to use the same ammo supply.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SnkBit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A friend and I were discussing this very same thing a few days ago. What we came up with is that it made more sense to build a .308. Subsonic they both use basically the same amount of powder, same projectiles. Supersonic the .308 is the clear winner. I have an AR chambered in .300BLK that's a lot of fun to shoot but it just doesn't make sense in a bolt gun. </div></div>
+1
The 300 AAC was developed to be a shorter 30 cal round that would function in the smaller AR-15 platform rather than move up to the heavier AR-10. There are no benefits to running 300 AAC over a .308 win in a bolt action platform, unless you already have a 300 AAC AR-15 and want to use the same ammo supply.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I do have 300 in a ar and I personaly like having a bolt gun to go with it.I also do alot of coyote hunting and think this would make a great day time gun. I will be using full power loads as we can not hunt suppressed.
Next on my list will be a 260 in a AR platform.
I do have 300 in a ar and I personaly like having a bolt gun to go with it.I also do alot of coyote hunting and think this would make a great day time gun. I will be using full power loads as we can not hunt suppressed.
Next on my list will be a 260 in a AR platform.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 220SWIFT AI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do have 300 in a ar and I personaly like having a bolt gun to go with it.I also do alot of coyote hunting and think this would make a great day time gun. I will be using full power loads as we can not hunt suppressed.
Next on my list will be a 260 in a AR platform.</div></div>
Well in that case; Hell yeah!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 220SWIFT AI</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do have 300 in a ar and I personaly like having a bolt gun to go with it.I also do alot of coyote hunting and think this would make a great day time gun. I will be using full power loads as we can not hunt suppressed.
Next on my list will be a 260 in a AR platform.</div></div>
Well in that case; Hell yeah!
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
No one would argue that the .308 Win. is far more powerful than the .300 Blackout and certainly as flexible. That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't becessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.
Another consideration is factory ammunition selection. I know it's hard to imagine but what if you DIDN'T reload? How difficult is it to locate subsonic .308 Winchester ammunition? What about affordability? Subsonic factory loaded Blackout ammo is considerably more affordable and much easier to find.
Factory plinking ammo is less costly as well. Remington UMC Blackout ammo is affordable and Wolf is bringing out their own steel cased ammo shortly that will be far cheaper than any .308 Win. ammo currently available.
If forced to choose only one rifle, it would be the .308 Win. for me. However, I'm lucky not to have to make that decision and I can enjoy shooting both cartridges. For my shooting, the Blackout is all that I need - most of the time.
Here's couple of my .300 Blackout bolt guns. I might build a third one just for the Hell of it. The first one is a 11.5" barrelled Weatherby Vanguard and the second is a 16" Remington 700.
No one would argue that the .308 Win. is far more powerful than the .300 Blackout and certainly as flexible. That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't becessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.
Another consideration is factory ammunition selection. I know it's hard to imagine but what if you DIDN'T reload? How difficult is it to locate subsonic .308 Winchester ammunition? What about affordability? Subsonic factory loaded Blackout ammo is considerably more affordable and much easier to find.
Factory plinking ammo is less costly as well. Remington UMC Blackout ammo is affordable and Wolf is bringing out their own steel cased ammo shortly that will be far cheaper than any .308 Win. ammo currently available.
If forced to choose only one rifle, it would be the .308 Win. for me. However, I'm lucky not to have to make that decision and I can enjoy shooting both cartridges. For my shooting, the Blackout is all that I need - most of the time.
Here's couple of my .300 Blackout bolt guns. I might build a third one just for the Hell of it. The first one is a 11.5" barrelled Weatherby Vanguard and the second is a 16" Remington 700.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
That rem is what I am talking about. Very nice iron you have there sir.
That rem is what I am talking about. Very nice iron you have there sir.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I really like the sbr. Just not sure if I'd want to pay a tax stamp on a bolt rifle at the moment maybe down the road I'll build a shorty like that
I really like the sbr. Just not sure if I'd want to pay a tax stamp on a bolt rifle at the moment maybe down the road I'll build a shorty like that
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Apparently, Remington is now starting to deliver its SPS Tacticals in .300 Blackout. It might be the best option as opposed to a custom build. It's got a 16.5" 1:7" twist barrel so it should be G2G.
If I were to have done it over again, I wouldn't go over a std. rem. varmint contour. Anything more than that is un-necessary and just adds useless weight.
Apparently, Remington is now starting to deliver its SPS Tacticals in .300 Blackout. It might be the best option as opposed to a custom build. It's got a 16.5" 1:7" twist barrel so it should be G2G.
If I were to have done it over again, I wouldn't go over a std. rem. varmint contour. Anything more than that is un-necessary and just adds useless weight.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. </div></div>
Poor maybe isnt the best choice of words, I just dont see the point. A 16" .308 will do everything a BLK will do with the added advantage of shooting supersonic <span style="font-weight: bold">much</span> better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.</div></div>
I thought the whole purpose of the BLK was to shoot a SS heavy bullet from the AR platform. Isn't it's efficiency in sbr's due to its small powder charge? like a handgun cartridge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.</div></div>
I shoot a 16" .308 almost every time I go out, but since the whole SS and short barrel thing is about quiet/silent shooting, I believe its safe to assume most people will be shooting supressed. So muzzle blast really isn't an issue, and even without a can, the 16" .308 isn't that bad.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.</div></div> I dont quite understand your comment, do you mean the 30-30 is a serious competitor ballisticly to the .308 and similar cartridges? Why limit yourself to 7.62X39 and 30-30 ballistics when a modest .308/155Scenar load would smoke it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't be necessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.</div></div>
Again, if your building a purpose built gun, twist is easily selected. I can tell you with some certainty that a 16" 8 twist .308 will shoot 175 SMK's quite well to beyond 1000yds, and will also shoot 210 VLD's and 225 BTHP's out to 500yds with surprising accuracy. Can the BLK do both or either of those things? I would expect the latter.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.</div></div>
The only strength I see from the BLK over the .308 is its ability to run in a small AR, and run the action. I intend on building an SBR BLK myself, for that purpose.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. </div></div>
Poor maybe isnt the best choice of words, I just dont see the point. A 16" .308 will do everything a BLK will do with the added advantage of shooting supersonic <span style="font-weight: bold">much</span> better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.</div></div>
I thought the whole purpose of the BLK was to shoot a SS heavy bullet from the AR platform. Isn't it's efficiency in sbr's due to its small powder charge? like a handgun cartridge?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.</div></div>
I shoot a 16" .308 almost every time I go out, but since the whole SS and short barrel thing is about quiet/silent shooting, I believe its safe to assume most people will be shooting supressed. So muzzle blast really isn't an issue, and even without a can, the 16" .308 isn't that bad.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.</div></div> I dont quite understand your comment, do you mean the 30-30 is a serious competitor ballisticly to the .308 and similar cartridges? Why limit yourself to 7.62X39 and 30-30 ballistics when a modest .308/155Scenar load would smoke it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't be necessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.</div></div>
Again, if your building a purpose built gun, twist is easily selected. I can tell you with some certainty that a 16" 8 twist .308 will shoot 175 SMK's quite well to beyond 1000yds, and will also shoot 210 VLD's and 225 BTHP's out to 500yds with surprising accuracy. Can the BLK do both or either of those things? I would expect the latter.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.</div></div>
The only strength I see from the BLK over the .308 is its ability to run in a small AR, and run the action. I intend on building an SBR BLK myself, for that purpose.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I've read this whole thread, and I still don't see a use for 300BLK for ME.
Others do, and that's why they buy them, I guess.
To ME, if I want a subsonic bullet with the trajectory of a 22rf, I'll just shoot 22rf.
I've read this whole thread, and I still don't see a use for 300BLK for ME.
Others do, and that's why they buy them, I guess.
To ME, if I want a subsonic bullet with the trajectory of a 22rf, I'll just shoot 22rf.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. </div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Poor maybe isnt the best choice of words, I just dont see the point. A 16" .308 will do everything a BLK will do with the added advantage of shooting supersonic much better.</span></span>
Sure it will. No one is saying otherwise. However, if you're building a compact SBR that will have a max effective range up to 400 yds. then you choose the cartridge that's best suited for your intended purposes. The vast majority of my shooting is within 200 yds. At that distance burning 2x the amount of powder to send the same bullet down range is an inefficient use of my resources.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I thought the whole purpose of the BLK was to shoot a SS heavy bullet from the AR platform. Isn't it's efficiency in sbr's due to its small powder charge? like a handgun cartridge?</span></span>
AAC's marketing push has been focused on the Blackout's use in the AR platform which makes perfect sense. Afterall, the Freedom Group manufacturers AR's and ammunition and wants to sell lots of both, do they not? That doesn't make the Blackout has its use tied exclusively to that platform any more than what you could argue that point based on the .223 Remington.
The key to making the Blackout a commercial success for them will be to focus its efforts in the AR market, not manual repeating firearms. Having said theat, with a possible US AWB hanging in the future, Freedom Group may wish to diversify its marketing strategy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I shoot a 16" .308 almost every time I go out, but since the whole SS and short barrel thing is about quiet/silent shooting, I believe its safe to assume most people will be shooting supressed. So muzzle blast really isn't an issue, and even without a can, the 16" .308 isn't that bad.</span></span>
It might not be "that bad" but it's far from ideal. Try it in a 11.5" barrel and get back to my on that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I dont quite understand your comment, do you mean the 30-30 is a serious competitor ballisticly to the .308 and similar cartridges? Why limit yourself to 7.62X39 and 30-30 ballistics when a modest .308/155Scenar load would smoke it?</span></span>
No, re-read what I said. I'm saying that people still use .30-30's in spite of the .308 Win. being a "superior" cartridge, don't they? So, if you're happy with a short to medium range rifle with similar ballistics in a modern and efficient cartridge, then the .300 Blackout is a consideration.
If you prefer to use a .308 Win. under the circumstances you're more than able to. Afterall, it's your choice and one person's ideal will no doubt be different from someone else's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't be necessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Again, if your building a purpose built gun, twist is easily selected. I can tell you with some certainty that a 16" 8 twist .308 will shoot 175 SMK's quite well to beyond 1000yds, and will also shoot 210 VLD's and 225 BTHP's out to 500yds with surprising accuracy. Can the BLK do both or either of those things? I would expect the latter.</span></span>
I'm simply pointing out that you're making more trade-offs trying to "dumb-down" a .308 Win. to meet the performance expectations of the Blackout and that you do so at the expense of the .308 Win.'s superior long range ballistics.
Where did anyone say that the Blackout is a contender to 1,000 yds.? You won't hear that from anyone. The Blackout is a short to medium range cartridge. You would be choosing it to operate under those conditions. The .308 Win.'s ballistics at long range is moot point.
That being said, why would you choose a short barrelled .308 Win. to shoot 1,000 yds. when the same cartridge with a 26" barrel would easily "trump" the shorter barrel ballistically speaking? If you were shooting 1,000 yds. on a regular basis, you likely wouldn't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">The only strength I see from the BLK over the .308 is its ability to run in a small AR, and run the action. I intend on building an SBR BLK myself, for that purpose.</span></span>
Lots of people are doing so. If you think the .308 Win. is a better choice for your intended purposes, then all the power to you. I personally, don't see this as a "one or the other" situation. If I want a .30 cal. in a bolt gun, I see the Blackout as a short to medium range cartrdige and I see the .308 Win. as better suited medium to long range option (1,000 yds.).
With specialized applications like subsonics, you're naturally shooting at short ranges. I think the Blackout is a better choice under the circumstances for the reasons I've already indicated.
</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That doesn't mean that the Blackout is a poor choice. </div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Poor maybe isnt the best choice of words, I just dont see the point. A 16" .308 will do everything a BLK will do with the added advantage of shooting supersonic much better.</span></span>
Sure it will. No one is saying otherwise. However, if you're building a compact SBR that will have a max effective range up to 400 yds. then you choose the cartridge that's best suited for your intended purposes. The vast majority of my shooting is within 200 yds. At that distance burning 2x the amount of powder to send the same bullet down range is an inefficient use of my resources.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
One of the Blackout's advantages over the .308 Win. in a bolt gun is the same as it is in an AR - the ability to perform efficiently at SBR barrel lengths.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I thought the whole purpose of the BLK was to shoot a SS heavy bullet from the AR platform. Isn't it's efficiency in sbr's due to its small powder charge? like a handgun cartridge?</span></span>
AAC's marketing push has been focused on the Blackout's use in the AR platform which makes perfect sense. Afterall, the Freedom Group manufacturers AR's and ammunition and wants to sell lots of both, do they not? That doesn't make the Blackout has its use tied exclusively to that platform any more than what you could argue that point based on the .223 Remington.
The key to making the Blackout a commercial success for them will be to focus its efforts in the AR market, not manual repeating firearms. Having said theat, with a possible US AWB hanging in the future, Freedom Group may wish to diversify its marketing strategy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is anyone really going to say that shooting .308 Win. at 16" or under barrel lengths is going to be pleasant? It'll be a "blast" for sure.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I shoot a 16" .308 almost every time I go out, but since the whole SS and short barrel thing is about quiet/silent shooting, I believe its safe to assume most people will be shooting supressed. So muzzle blast really isn't an issue, and even without a can, the 16" .308 isn't that bad.</span></span>
It might not be "that bad" but it's far from ideal. Try it in a 11.5" barrel and get back to my on that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you're content to have supersonic ballistics in the realm of 7.62x39mm or .30-30 Win. then the Blackout is a viable option in a bolt gun. Would anyone argue against the merits of a .30-30 Win.? Not likely.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">I dont quite understand your comment, do you mean the 30-30 is a serious competitor ballisticly to the .308 and similar cartridges? Why limit yourself to 7.62X39 and 30-30 ballistics when a modest .308/155Scenar load would smoke it?</span></span>
No, re-read what I said. I'm saying that people still use .30-30's in spite of the .308 Win. being a "superior" cartridge, don't they? So, if you're happy with a short to medium range rifle with similar ballistics in a modern and efficient cartridge, then the .300 Blackout is a consideration.
If you prefer to use a .308 Win. under the circumstances you're more than able to. Afterall, it's your choice and one person's ideal will no doubt be different from someone else's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Keep in mind, in order for your .308 Win. to shoot the heavier +220gr. bullets in a subsonic capacity, you're still going to need that fast twist 1:7" or 1:8" barrel that won't be necessarily be ideal when you want to shoot your .308 Win. with full power supersonic loads.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Again, if your building a purpose built gun, twist is easily selected. I can tell you with some certainty that a 16" 8 twist .308 will shoot 175 SMK's quite well to beyond 1000yds, and will also shoot 210 VLD's and 225 BTHP's out to 500yds with surprising accuracy. Can the BLK do both or either of those things? I would expect the latter.</span></span>
I'm simply pointing out that you're making more trade-offs trying to "dumb-down" a .308 Win. to meet the performance expectations of the Blackout and that you do so at the expense of the .308 Win.'s superior long range ballistics.
Where did anyone say that the Blackout is a contender to 1,000 yds.? You won't hear that from anyone. The Blackout is a short to medium range cartridge. You would be choosing it to operate under those conditions. The .308 Win.'s ballistics at long range is moot point.
That being said, why would you choose a short barrelled .308 Win. to shoot 1,000 yds. when the same cartridge with a 26" barrel would easily "trump" the shorter barrel ballistically speaking? If you were shooting 1,000 yds. on a regular basis, you likely wouldn't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
To my way of thinking, each cartridge has it's own strengths and unique performance characteristics that allows them to cater to different audiences.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">The only strength I see from the BLK over the .308 is its ability to run in a small AR, and run the action. I intend on building an SBR BLK myself, for that purpose.</span></span>
Lots of people are doing so. If you think the .308 Win. is a better choice for your intended purposes, then all the power to you. I personally, don't see this as a "one or the other" situation. If I want a .30 cal. in a bolt gun, I see the Blackout as a short to medium range cartrdige and I see the .308 Win. as better suited medium to long range option (1,000 yds.).
With specialized applications like subsonics, you're naturally shooting at short ranges. I think the Blackout is a better choice under the circumstances for the reasons I've already indicated.
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Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
AAC didn't develop the blackout, they copied it from the 300 whisper and all the clones that were out there. It was originally used back in the 60's to shoot silouettes using heavy bullets in XP100's. It worked great. Later on JD jones had the idea of loading heavier bullets and shooting subsonic. It proved to be a very accurate round despite its rainbow trajectory. Just because it works so well subsonic doesn't mean it can't be loaded supersonic. Ballistics similar or better than the 30/30 are easily obtainable. The blackout makes it even better by offering factory ammo and rifles. It has its own niche that the .308 can't touch and it will never be a threat to the .308 in its own niche....
I've built a number of rifles for the 30-221, a 300 whisper clone that preceeded the blackout by many years. The blackout cartridge fits and functions quite well in this chamber. I've not done many Rem 700's however as they proved to have some issues with ejecting the very short cartridge case. The CZ527 is an outstanding rifle to convert and the little remington 799, a mini-mauser action built by Zastava, worked well too.
The blackout is very versatile and a neat round. Its worth having a rifle in this cal even if you have a .308. The whole point of subsonic shooting is to use the heaviest bullet available for the most energy. A .308 shooting a 150gr can't compare to a blackout shooting a 240gr bullet. A normal twist .308 won't handle the 220 or 240 because the twist is too slow and a blackout will never be competition for the 308 at 800yds.
On the other hand the .338BR beats the hell out of the blackout for subsonics and has a pretty good supersonic range as well....300gr sierra matchkings subsonic and 200gr hornady SST's at 2200fps +.
Frank
AAC didn't develop the blackout, they copied it from the 300 whisper and all the clones that were out there. It was originally used back in the 60's to shoot silouettes using heavy bullets in XP100's. It worked great. Later on JD jones had the idea of loading heavier bullets and shooting subsonic. It proved to be a very accurate round despite its rainbow trajectory. Just because it works so well subsonic doesn't mean it can't be loaded supersonic. Ballistics similar or better than the 30/30 are easily obtainable. The blackout makes it even better by offering factory ammo and rifles. It has its own niche that the .308 can't touch and it will never be a threat to the .308 in its own niche....
I've built a number of rifles for the 30-221, a 300 whisper clone that preceeded the blackout by many years. The blackout cartridge fits and functions quite well in this chamber. I've not done many Rem 700's however as they proved to have some issues with ejecting the very short cartridge case. The CZ527 is an outstanding rifle to convert and the little remington 799, a mini-mauser action built by Zastava, worked well too.
The blackout is very versatile and a neat round. Its worth having a rifle in this cal even if you have a .308. The whole point of subsonic shooting is to use the heaviest bullet available for the most energy. A .308 shooting a 150gr can't compare to a blackout shooting a 240gr bullet. A normal twist .308 won't handle the 220 or 240 because the twist is too slow and a blackout will never be competition for the 308 at 800yds.
On the other hand the .338BR beats the hell out of the blackout for subsonics and has a pretty good supersonic range as well....300gr sierra matchkings subsonic and 200gr hornady SST's at 2200fps +.
Frank
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Frank, thanks for weighing in on the discussion. I agree, the Blackout is a very versatile cartridge within the range of its capabilities. It was never meant to compete with or replace the .308 Win.
The Remington .223 Rem bolts can be problematic as you have aluded to. Using ejectors/extractors for .221 FB or .17 FB seems to cure the ejection issues that some 700's exhibit. My 700 Blackout is built off a .17 FB SPS donor rifle. I simply put a .223 Rem mag set up in place of the .17 FB for better feeding from the inernal box mag.
The Howa/Weatherby action is a great option for a Blackout project and they feed and extract/eject without issue. Some have built Blackouts on Tikka T3's and have had good results as well.
I've been considering a .338 BR or .338 Federal project for a future build. It would have to be a cas bullet endeavour for me as the cost of jacketed bullets makes it too cost prohibitive for me.
When I can shoot 240 gr. .30 cal. bullets with a greater sectional density than .338 cal. bullets of comparable weight, I'll stick with the .300 Blackout. The high ballistic co-efficient and higher impact energy of a subsonic .338 BR sounds appealing but at a much higher price tag.
Frank, thanks for weighing in on the discussion. I agree, the Blackout is a very versatile cartridge within the range of its capabilities. It was never meant to compete with or replace the .308 Win.
The Remington .223 Rem bolts can be problematic as you have aluded to. Using ejectors/extractors for .221 FB or .17 FB seems to cure the ejection issues that some 700's exhibit. My 700 Blackout is built off a .17 FB SPS donor rifle. I simply put a .223 Rem mag set up in place of the .17 FB for better feeding from the inernal box mag.
The Howa/Weatherby action is a great option for a Blackout project and they feed and extract/eject without issue. Some have built Blackouts on Tikka T3's and have had good results as well.
I've been considering a .338 BR or .338 Federal project for a future build. It would have to be a cas bullet endeavour for me as the cost of jacketed bullets makes it too cost prohibitive for me.
When I can shoot 240 gr. .30 cal. bullets with a greater sectional density than .338 cal. bullets of comparable weight, I'll stick with the .300 Blackout. The high ballistic co-efficient and higher impact energy of a subsonic .338 BR sounds appealing but at a much higher price tag.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I want the sound and ballistics of the 22lr, with a 220gr projectile instead of 40 grain.
I an building a dedicated suppressed 300blk. I don't plan to shoot anything but subsonics out of it. Also consider this. The 300blk subsonic is quieter in the bolt gun than the ar platform. Also quieter than the 308 loaded subsonic in my experience. Every Decibel counts if you are going quiet.
YMMV-Rob
I want the sound and ballistics of the 22lr, with a 220gr projectile instead of 40 grain.
I an building a dedicated suppressed 300blk. I don't plan to shoot anything but subsonics out of it. Also consider this. The 300blk subsonic is quieter in the bolt gun than the ar platform. Also quieter than the 308 loaded subsonic in my experience. Every Decibel counts if you are going quiet.
YMMV-Rob
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Boltaction 30BLK is great choice for me & I have owed 2 & also 2 AR's in the Cal . & been shooting them for several years .
I shoot coyote primarily with custom 16" suppressed boltaction .30blk & it works great . Also .30 Shorty AR has killed a bunch also . ALL are shot with High-Vel. .30 lightweight varmint bullets like 110 varminters or 110-Vmax . & coyotes drop hard . & the 125 & 130 pointed-sp bullets work great also .
It's not suppose to be a longrange rifle . I have a few longrange rifle to choose from & it works best for what I do .
Half the Noise / recoil / barrel heat / suppressor heat / powder . of the .308win . The .308win does kickass for coyote 'or anything else' and way more power/energy but for anything under 300 yrd. the BLK. or 30-221 with High Vel. rounds does it better for me .
.308 is a awesome killer but 30BLK/30-221, in a Boltsction 16" barrel has 'proven itself ' time after time everytime I get coyotes in my sights & pull the trigger & drag another dog out of the fields & toss it in the truck .
now for Me I have found that Hunting plus subsonic bullets in 30blk suckDick . Bullets just go right threw there bodies & majority of coyotes all run off & die in the trees & brush & you never find them . Plus the holdovers SuckAss for extended range hunting . 240's subsonic have 500 ft/lbs energy & @ 100 yrd. impact & the Jacket of bullets stay intact . .30blk Subsonic hunting blows donkeydick . but subsonic & banging steel is a lot of fun .
I have killed MANY coyotes with .22 subs & suppressed . & still thinking hard on doing a custom .45acp subsonic/suppressed for hunting . because those bullets are designed & work to kill subsonic Vel.
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Boltaction 30BLK is great choice for me & I have owed 2 & also 2 AR's in the Cal . & been shooting them for several years .
I shoot coyote primarily with custom 16" suppressed boltaction .30blk & it works great . Also .30 Shorty AR has killed a bunch also . ALL are shot with High-Vel. .30 lightweight varmint bullets like 110 varminters or 110-Vmax . & coyotes drop hard . & the 125 & 130 pointed-sp bullets work great also .
It's not suppose to be a longrange rifle . I have a few longrange rifle to choose from & it works best for what I do .
Half the Noise / recoil / barrel heat / suppressor heat / powder . of the .308win . The .308win does kickass for coyote 'or anything else' and way more power/energy but for anything under 300 yrd. the BLK. or 30-221 with High Vel. rounds does it better for me .
.308 is a awesome killer but 30BLK/30-221, in a Boltsction 16" barrel has 'proven itself ' time after time everytime I get coyotes in my sights & pull the trigger & drag another dog out of the fields & toss it in the truck .
now for Me I have found that Hunting plus subsonic bullets in 30blk suckDick . Bullets just go right threw there bodies & majority of coyotes all run off & die in the trees & brush & you never find them . Plus the holdovers SuckAss for extended range hunting . 240's subsonic have 500 ft/lbs energy & @ 100 yrd. impact & the Jacket of bullets stay intact . .30blk Subsonic hunting blows donkeydick . but subsonic & banging steel is a lot of fun .
I have killed MANY coyotes with .22 subs & suppressed . & still thinking hard on doing a custom .45acp subsonic/suppressed for hunting . because those bullets are designed & work to kill subsonic Vel.
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Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I have a 300BLK SBR AR. It's great. I like its versatility. That being said, if I want to shoot a heavy .30 cal bullet SS out of a bolt gun I would have a 16-18" 1-8" tw .308 built as opposed to a 16" 1-8" tw 300BLK hands down. Custom guns are not cheep so if shooting heavies real slow is my goal I'm not going to spend a bunch of loot getting there. In the end I would end up with a different cartridge that does 50% of what the other custom gun in my safe and it cost me thousands of $.
Now, it would be a different story if I were made of money and wanted an 8" SBR .30 cal SS bolt gun.
Fuck Ya! Don't be a pussy! Do it!
I have a 300BLK SBR AR. It's great. I like its versatility. That being said, if I want to shoot a heavy .30 cal bullet SS out of a bolt gun I would have a 16-18" 1-8" tw .308 built as opposed to a 16" 1-8" tw 300BLK hands down. Custom guns are not cheep so if shooting heavies real slow is my goal I'm not going to spend a bunch of loot getting there. In the end I would end up with a different cartridge that does 50% of what the other custom gun in my safe and it cost me thousands of $.
Now, it would be a different story if I were made of money and wanted an 8" SBR .30 cal SS bolt gun.
Fuck Ya! Don't be a pussy! Do it!
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Well I found a AAC model 7 that I am thinking real hard about buying. Looks what I am looking for to try to see if I like it.
Well I found a AAC model 7 that I am thinking real hard about buying. Looks what I am looking for to try to see if I like it.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul
If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
The .308 subsonic and the .300BO subs are not equal, I have both and run both suppressed. A .308 twist bbl will not take advantage of the optimum bullets to run a .30 cal suppressed like the Blk out can. A 240 sub in the BO has a lot more energy than I thought it would, easily taking Down game at ranges of 100 or less(far as I have tried it)and enough twist in bbl to be somewhat accurate(1.5"@100). It is also more quiet than a sub in .308 with same bbl length with a YHM Phantom suppressor, IDK why, it just is. Have a .300 AR and thought it was gonna be bomb, but once you hear it without all that action noise of the AR, the bolt gun gets a lot more use with me.
Supersonic is whole different animal to me, If i'm going to shoot supers the choices are endless that I think will do the job better than the Blk out. It's all about suppressed subsonic shooting in the Blk out for me.
The .308 subsonic and the .300BO subs are not equal, I have both and run both suppressed. A .308 twist bbl will not take advantage of the optimum bullets to run a .30 cal suppressed like the Blk out can. A 240 sub in the BO has a lot more energy than I thought it would, easily taking Down game at ranges of 100 or less(far as I have tried it)and enough twist in bbl to be somewhat accurate(1.5"@100). It is also more quiet than a sub in .308 with same bbl length with a YHM Phantom suppressor, IDK why, it just is. Have a .300 AR and thought it was gonna be bomb, but once you hear it without all that action noise of the AR, the bolt gun gets a lot more use with me.
Supersonic is whole different animal to me, If i'm going to shoot supers the choices are endless that I think will do the job better than the Blk out. It's all about suppressed subsonic shooting in the Blk out for me.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
My thoughts exactly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
My thoughts exactly.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hdbiker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
My thoughts exactly. </div></div>
I somewhat agree, but then there is the expense of a barrel vice/wrench and the risk of seizing the barrel into the action IF some foreign particles get in the anti-seize on the the threads. Additionally, what a pain.
I just don't see a SS 300blk bolt being so much more quiet than SS .308 bolt that it justifies buying a dedicated rifle or switch barrel.
Ask yourself, what % of the ammo I shoot in a given period will be .30 cal subs? If it's a lot and having that extra db. or two of sound reduction is worth it then get a 300blk bolt and sbr it. IMO the 300blk does not benefit enough from a barrel length over 8" to justify having one over that length.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hdbiker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
My thoughts exactly. </div></div>
I somewhat agree, but then there is the expense of a barrel vice/wrench and the risk of seizing the barrel into the action IF some foreign particles get in the anti-seize on the the threads. Additionally, what a pain.
I just don't see a SS 300blk bolt being so much more quiet than SS .308 bolt that it justifies buying a dedicated rifle or switch barrel.
Ask yourself, what % of the ammo I shoot in a given period will be .30 cal subs? If it's a lot and having that extra db. or two of sound reduction is worth it then get a 300blk bolt and sbr it. IMO the 300blk does not benefit enough from a barrel length over 8" to justify having one over that length.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
any more thoughts? I really want to do one of these. Any load data? Anyone shoot a factory rem sps tactical in 300 blk
Rob
any more thoughts? I really want to do one of these. Any load data? Anyone shoot a factory rem sps tactical in 300 blk
Rob
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
Makes sense in an AR, but not in a bolt gun IMO.
Makes sense in an AR, but not in a bolt gun IMO.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
With 125gr Noslers the .300/.221 is an excellent Deer/coyote rifle that uses only a fraction of the power and has an extremely long barrel life. Shooting subs is a alot of fun, but hardly all it's good for. Not for everyone, but a very sensible cartridge that will grow on you big time.
With 125gr Noslers the .300/.221 is an excellent Deer/coyote rifle that uses only a fraction of the power and has an extremely long barrel life. Shooting subs is a alot of fun, but hardly all it's good for. Not for everyone, but a very sensible cartridge that will grow on you big time.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clay_breaker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .308 subsonic and the .300BO subs are not equal, I have both and run both suppressed. A .308 twist bbl will not take advantage of the optimum bullets to run a .30 cal suppressed like the Blk out can. A 240 sub in the BO has a lot more energy than I thought it would, easily taking Down game at ranges of 100 or less(far as I have tried it)and enough twist in bbl to be somewhat accurate(1.5"@100). It is also more quiet than a sub in .308 with same bbl length with a YHM Phantom suppressor, IDK why, it just is. Have a .300 AR and thought it was gonna be bomb, but once you hear it without all that action noise of the AR, the bolt gun gets a lot more use with me.
Supersonic is whole different animal to me, If i'm going to shoot supers the choices are endless that I think will do the job better than the Blk out. It's all about suppressed subsonic shooting in the Blk out for me. </div></div>
I agree completely, I have a 308 bolt that i have run subs through and supressed and its really cool. I then bought a BLK AR and i too was disappointed with how loud it is suppressed. My next setup im going to do is a short barelled bolt in BLK. Then I can run the heavies and have it super quiet. With the 308 subs i was limited to only using 180gr round nose bullets, not the best ballistics.
For me 300 BLK is all about running heavy bullets with better balistics at subsonic speeds with a short barrell. Anything else, i have more powerful or smaller calibers to do what i want. to hunt with an AR, just move up to a 308 AR. absolute quiet get a 22lr. more power and quiet - 300 blk.
CJG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clay_breaker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .308 subsonic and the .300BO subs are not equal, I have both and run both suppressed. A .308 twist bbl will not take advantage of the optimum bullets to run a .30 cal suppressed like the Blk out can. A 240 sub in the BO has a lot more energy than I thought it would, easily taking Down game at ranges of 100 or less(far as I have tried it)and enough twist in bbl to be somewhat accurate(1.5"@100). It is also more quiet than a sub in .308 with same bbl length with a YHM Phantom suppressor, IDK why, it just is. Have a .300 AR and thought it was gonna be bomb, but once you hear it without all that action noise of the AR, the bolt gun gets a lot more use with me.
Supersonic is whole different animal to me, If i'm going to shoot supers the choices are endless that I think will do the job better than the Blk out. It's all about suppressed subsonic shooting in the Blk out for me. </div></div>
I agree completely, I have a 308 bolt that i have run subs through and supressed and its really cool. I then bought a BLK AR and i too was disappointed with how loud it is suppressed. My next setup im going to do is a short barelled bolt in BLK. Then I can run the heavies and have it super quiet. With the 308 subs i was limited to only using 180gr round nose bullets, not the best ballistics.
For me 300 BLK is all about running heavy bullets with better balistics at subsonic speeds with a short barrell. Anything else, i have more powerful or smaller calibers to do what i want. to hunt with an AR, just move up to a 308 AR. absolute quiet get a 22lr. more power and quiet - 300 blk.
CJG
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
thats what i been doing, having my smith headspace barrels and i bought a barrel vice and action wrench... switch from varmint barrels to target barrels. or swap calibers,
in this application, going from .223 to blk would be good cool,
i would only build a blk in a light weight package, its not a long range hitter.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to consider doing this I would just build a switch barrel Remington. Could be done very reasonably, and you are just in it for cost of the barrel and chamber work. Just an idea.
Regards,
Paul </div></div>
thats what i been doing, having my smith headspace barrels and i bought a barrel vice and action wrench... switch from varmint barrels to target barrels. or swap calibers,
in this application, going from .223 to blk would be good cool,
i would only build a blk in a light weight package, its not a long range hitter.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
On the supersonic side, what is the fastest you guys been able to clock a 125? I have plenty of rifles, but I have my eye on one just for the hell of it. Just want to see at what the max effective range on a deer.
On the supersonic side, what is the fastest you guys been able to clock a 125? I have plenty of rifles, but I have my eye on one just for the hell of it. Just want to see at what the max effective range on a deer.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the supersonic side, what is the fastest you guys been able to clock a 125? I have plenty of rifles, but I have my eye on one just for the hell of it. Just want to see at what the max effective range on a deer. </div></div>
2,100-2,200 fps is going to be the upper limit for 16" barrels.
Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking deer sized game at distances beyond 300 yards with the Blackout.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roggom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the supersonic side, what is the fastest you guys been able to clock a 125? I have plenty of rifles, but I have my eye on one just for the hell of it. Just want to see at what the max effective range on a deer. </div></div>
2,100-2,200 fps is going to be the upper limit for 16" barrels.
Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking deer sized game at distances beyond 300 yards with the Blackout.
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
The 300blk is a rainbow round ballistically, but to present the other side to '2bad4u2' comment above, what range do you feel comfortable as the upper limit to safely take a shot on the deer?
I don't know where you hunt, some places more than 300 yards is a safety issue. Some places you can take the shot at 1000 knowing that no one is likely to be within miles of where you are.
Is a 300 yard limitation really going to be a problem?
Incidentally, this might be a good starting point on the platform if you haven't already seen it:
http://300aacblackout.com/resources/300-BLK.pdf
The 300blk is a rainbow round ballistically, but to present the other side to '2bad4u2' comment above, what range do you feel comfortable as the upper limit to safely take a shot on the deer?
I don't know where you hunt, some places more than 300 yards is a safety issue. Some places you can take the shot at 1000 knowing that no one is likely to be within miles of where you are.
Is a 300 yard limitation really going to be a problem?
Incidentally, this might be a good starting point on the platform if you haven't already seen it:
http://300aacblackout.com/resources/300-BLK.pdf
Re: Thoughts on a 300 Blackout bolt gun
I have plenty of hunting rifles with enough power (30/06, 7mm Mag)
I was looking at a very short rifle to pack for some deep timber 50-100Y and to let my kid use. That 16" 700 2Bad has is exactly what I would build, or I also have seen the little Handi-rifle in 300blk as well. Again, this would be just kind of a fun gun, but so compact I could keep it in my Jeep. Heck, the little handi-rifle is cheaper than a Spuhr mount.
I think at 2200 the ft/lbs energy is right at the Colorado min specs (1000ftlbs @100Y). I am sure recoil is about nill and I have a bunch of 5.56 brass. Just I like to keep the max range on deer where there is still 1000ft lbs of energy, was hoping to push velocity up in the 2300's or more for a little more reach.
I have plenty of hunting rifles with enough power (30/06, 7mm Mag)
I was looking at a very short rifle to pack for some deep timber 50-100Y and to let my kid use. That 16" 700 2Bad has is exactly what I would build, or I also have seen the little Handi-rifle in 300blk as well. Again, this would be just kind of a fun gun, but so compact I could keep it in my Jeep. Heck, the little handi-rifle is cheaper than a Spuhr mount.
I think at 2200 the ft/lbs energy is right at the Colorado min specs (1000ftlbs @100Y). I am sure recoil is about nill and I have a bunch of 5.56 brass. Just I like to keep the max range on deer where there is still 1000ft lbs of energy, was hoping to push velocity up in the 2300's or more for a little more reach.
