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Rifle Scopes Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

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al22300

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How are you guys dealing with the design of the Vortex PST? I have used my PST for a couple of years now. I tried it on several of my rifles wanting to find a combination that I could live with.

It currently sits on my custom 10/22. If I dial 3-4 mils in any direction from mechanical zero I lose the edge of my image. If I zoom to a higher power it is somewhat minimized. It feels like I am looking through my scope at a bad angle. Basically, I have a blurred egg shaped field of view.

I know it is a "design compromise" that allows the PST to be sold at a reasonable price but how much does it really save?

Is the "full field of view window" as small on the 4-16 or is it about the same?

 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

There is something wrong with your scope, contact Vortex and send it in.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is something wrong with your scope, contact Vortex and send it in. </div></div>

I spoke with a person at Vortex when I purchased my scope. They told me it was due to the design of the scope.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

Call them again, while PST is not top of the line in there product line, it's still a pretty decent piece of glass for the money, I have seen first hand a 300wm make hits at 1 mile with the same scope, there is something wrong if egg shape occurs.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

There is nothing wrong with your scope, as you yourself have already taken the time to call Vortex, you have found that is a known issue with that scope model.
There was a lengthy thread on it in the past.
Most folks seem very happy with their 6-24's. I don't know if your scopes condition is worse than usual, or if it is just something that you can't overlook.

Personally, I would consider selling it. They ARE good scopes and hold their value well. You wouldn't take much of a beating on it.
Try the Bushnell 6-24. Don't know if it is much better or not though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is nothing wrong with your scope, as you yourself have already taken the time to call Vortex, you have found that is a known issue with that scope model.
There was a lengthy thread on it in the past.
Most folks seem very happy with their 6-24's. I don't know if your scopes condition is worse than usual, or if it is just something that you can't overlook.

Personally, I would consider selling it. They ARE good scopes and hold their value well. You wouldn't take much of a beating on it.
Try the Bushnell 6-24. Don't know if it is much better or not though. </div></div>

Thanks for the advice. I guess that I am trying to figure out if my scope is worse than usual or not. I can't imagine other shooters being satisfied with this scope......I tried. Maybe if a person does not shoot at extended yardages. But then what is the purpose of this scope.
 
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I have 2 PST'S and have no clue what you guys are talking about! Send it in and let them take a look at it. I had a parallax issue with my Razor but it got fixed and returned within 1 week. Good luck
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

I'm another one that cannot duplicate your problem.

I would be careful who you take advice from here as some have in the past shown a strong bias against the PST while never having owned one.

Vortex is one company who is known to stand behind their products. Perhaps you need to run this problem by them again?
 
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I have had mine for over a year, and I just went and tried to duplicate what you are talking about and my scope does not have it. I would send it back.
 
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al, where are you located in oklahoma? I have had a 6-24 PST in the past and should have another a new one in a day or two. If you are close enough, I would be more than happy to bring the new one to compare to yours to see if there is any difference.
 
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Guys,

This is normal for this scope when a lot of travel is dialed in. It is only noticeable at low powers. Most probably don't complain because they tend to use the scope at the higher powers most of the time and don't notice it.

If you want to use the scope on 6X a lot, you may notice it a lot especially if mounted in a 20 MOA mount. Most with this scope tend to only use 6X occasionally so it isn't really a problem.
 
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Jon, he didnt say a lot of travel, he said 3-4 mils. I have a number of PST's in various configurations and have looked through and used more than I can count. This has never been an issue on the ones I have used. Call them and send it in. In the time it took you to post here, you could have sent it back and had it returned by the end of the week..

Listen to 427. Send it in!
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

Yes, by all means, keep a scope that you aren't happy with and don't use it.

The Vortex rep obviously lied to you.

You could send it back, they have an excellent warranty. You would likely get a new scope, but they will most certainly repair it.

IIRC, the "fish-eye" effect mentioned previously was on low power, not high power. Even in the event of fish eye at low power, the lower end isn't used nearly as much as the mid to higher power.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,

This is normal for this scope when a lot of travel is dialed in. It is only noticeable at low powers. Most probably don't complain because they tend to use the scope at the higher powers most of the time and don't notice it.

If you want to use the scope on 6X a lot, you may notice it a lot especially if mounted in a 20 MOA mount. Most with this scope tend to only use 6X occasionally so it isn't really a problem. </div></div>

I do use the entire power range on my scope. I shoot a lot at the range however I also hunt with the scope so I use the scope at 6x quite often. On my scope it is very noticeable at well past 12x even slightly noticeable at 24x when dialing lots of elevation.
 
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I have never noticed that issue when I had my PST. That said there are better optics out there for the same cash. Both SWFA and Weavers are made in Japan and in my opinion have much better glass than the PST. I have owned models from each make and for same features a used SS HD is gonna beat the pants off the PST.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJohn141</div><div class="ubbcode-body">al, where are you located in oklahoma? I have had a 6-24 PST in the past and should have another a new one in a day or two. If you are close enough, I would be more than happy to bring the new one to compare to yours to see if there is any difference. </div></div>

Tulsa
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huber Tuber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never noticed that issue when I had my PST. That said there are better optics out there for the same cash. Both SWFA and Weavers are made in Japan and in my opinion have much better glass than the PST. I have owned models from each make and for same features a used SS HD is gonna beat the pants off the PST.

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I agree based on my experiences. I own the SS 1-4x24, SS 3-9x42, and the SS 5-20x50. The reason I bought a Vortex is because I need paralax adjustment and I like to keep the weight down on some of my rifles that I use for hunting. I do not have any experience with Weaver but even their 3-15x50 EMDR is on the heavy side for my lighter rifles. I used to be a Leupold fan but after several problems I sold most of them. I have a Mark 4 now that needs to go back because the turrets are seizing up.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al22300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huber Tuber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never noticed that issue when I had my PST. That said there are better optics out there for the same cash. Both SWFA and Weavers are made in Japan and in my opinion have much better glass than the PST. I have owned models from each make and for same features a used SS HD is gonna beat the pants off the PST.

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I agree based on my experiences. I own the SS 1-4x24, SS 3-9x42, and the SS 5-20x50. The reason I bought a Vortex is because I need paralax adjustment and I like to keep the weight down on some of my rifles that I use for hunting. I do not have any experience with Weaver but even their 3-15x50 EMDR is on the heavy side for my lighter rifles. I used to be a Leupold fan but after several problems I sold most of them. I have a Mark 4 now that needs to go back because the turrets are seizing up.</div></div>

Frankly I sold my PST 6-24 because the clarity on the glass and narrow field of view was lacking. That said it had nice turrets/clicks as well as clean looks and lastly I really liked the reticle. So I'm not completely crapping on the scope. Now the weaver for the price is going to perform like a leupold but not break down. It has solid Japanese construction and I think by observation the same glass as the SWFA-SS scopes. I have used one out past 1k yards and it tracked very great. As well the Weavers are light and compact, I think excellent overlooked values.

Really if the PST 6-24 had the same glass as the Razor HD then it would be a real hit. I really think as a rule of thumb you have to stay clear of any scope, especially a FFP made in China. Stuff manufactured in Japan, Germany, USA and in that order for relative robustness and execution. The PST is USA and Philippines.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flounderv2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jon, he didnt say a lot of travel, he said 3-4 mils. I have a number of PST's in various configurations and have looked through and used more than I can count. </div></div>
4 mils is a lot more than most people would dial on this scope while leaving it on 6X. Experience with PST's in various other configurations is meaningless as their optical designs all differ--experience with the 6-24X is what matters. And unless they've changed the design of the 6-24X, you will see it in that scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al22300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do use the entire power range on my scope. I shoot a lot at the range however I also hunt with the scope so I use the scope at 6x quite often. On my scope it is very noticeable at well past 12x even slightly noticeable at 24x when dialing lots of elevation. </div></div>
It does sound like yours may be worse than usual. With around 5 mils dialed from optical axis it disappears around 8X on mine. Is yours mounted on a 20 MOA base in addition to that?

Anyway, as I have said before if you're looking for a 6X hunting scope, this scope might not be your first choice. I use mine on 15X-24X about 95% of the time. If you walk around with the scope set on 6X much of the time, there are better choices IMHO. It's a great scope for the money for many other uses though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It does sound like yours may be worse than usual. With around 5 mils dialed from optical axis it disappears around 8X on mine. Is yours mounted on a 20 MOA base in addition to that? </div></div>

No I am not using a MOA base.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Anyway, as I have said before if you're looking for a 6X hunting scope, this scope might not be your first choice. I use mine on 15X-24X about 95% of the time. If you walk around with the scope set on 6X much of the time, there are better choices IMHO. It's a great scope for the money for many other uses though. </div></div>

I think I am trying to use this scope for something it is not good at. I am still perplexed by some of the reports from guys that can't see this in their scope so I am sending it back to Vortex to get checked out. Thanks to everyone for your input.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huber Tuber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have never noticed that issue when I had my PST. That said there are better optics out there for the same cash. Both SWFA and Weavers are made in Japan and in my opinion have much better glass than the PST. I have owned models from each make and for same features a used SS HD is gonna beat the pants off the PST. </div></div>

Weeelll, I had a SS HD that left me pretty disappointed with the glass and I sold it here on SH, not that the glass is of primary importance to me with a tactical scope.
I know for some the glass quality is the first thing they look at. To each his own.
But yeah, it was <span style="text-decoration: underline">that</span> bad.

I have a PST in 4-16 that has served me well. Maybe this is a problem that is particular to the 6-24x?

Again, I would encourage you to call Vortex before you do anything else with your scope. With the customer service they have it's kind of a no-brainer.

Beware of taking advice from folks who have always been dead set against the PST while never having owned one.



 
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I have seen inconsistent glass even in high end optics. In my case all of my SWFA scopes have noticeably better glass than my PST. The PST has good turrets, great reticle and the tracking has been right on. Even though the glass has been underwhelming I still think that the scope could be a good buy except for the problem detailed in this thread.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

I'm glad that I read this happy horse shit.


Life's too short for shitty scopes.

YMMV
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

Beware taking advice from folks that are emotionally invested in their equipment.

Vortex will take excellent care of you, if your returned product does not meet your expectations, sell it.
The warranty will transfer to the new owner and you'll both be happy.

6X is awful high for a low end on a hunting scope, unless you are shooting P dogs or western hunting.
I think you may have gotten the wrong tool for the job.
Vortex makes some very attractive hunting specific models, including some FFP models, though I'm not a fan of BDC type reticles.
The 4-16x may be more suitable to your needs but consider that when hunting, glass quality as far as clarity and resolution IS an important factor.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

send it back for a new one, mine wasn't like that, vortex has a lifetime fully transferrable warranty, mine was a FFP tho 6-24x50
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

I walked into a sport optics shop in Houston looking for the Vortex PST 6-24x50 scope but was talked into a bushnell tactical elite 6-24x50 mostly because they had the bushnell (and not the Vortex) available, it has the same features, and was a bit less money. With a 20 moa rail I bore sighted it and had less than 1 mil of travel before reaching the limit. At that extreme I witnessed none of the "egg shape" field of view reported by the OP and his Vortex. I really wanted to handle the Vortex (and take one home) and have mostly only read glowing reviews of the scope- especially in the cost/performance column. That said; there are other scopes with similar feature sets, with similar warranties, and in a similar price range to the Vortex PST that do not exhibit what the OP has observed.

The above notwithstanding, it is impossible to assess the degree to which the scope in question deviates from normal without pictures. As has been said/typed in myriad threads across the internet in the past... This thread is worthless without pics!!!
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

I run one myself. If you are truly only 3-4 mils from mech zero and having issues, something sounds goofy. I have run mine all the way to the top of its elevation and did not notice any oblonging. Contact Scott@Vortex here and see what he has to say. He will get it handled.
 
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Really?

How emotionally invested do you think I would get over my 4-16x?

Doesn't mean it's not a great scope for it's price range.

You ASS! ume too much!

You also have a history of bias against the PST that can be researched quite easily though you have never owned one.

If that's a problem for you tough shit.

I still cay call Vortex. You can beware of that advice if you want to but it's the definitive answer to addressing your problem.


 
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Like I said, I am sending the scope back to Vortex to have it checked out. The reason I posted here is that I contacted Vortex before and was told it was normal. It sounds to me that my scope might need to be replaced. If it checks out fine then I am done with the PST line of scopes.

Some of you don't believe me so here are some pics.


12x dialed up 7 mils from mechanical zero

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12x dialed up 4 mils from mechanical zero

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24x dialed up 7 mils





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son of a itch I was gonna buy an F1 or a Razor then I decided that I would just get two of these for the same amount of money to put on hunting rifles so that I wouldn't have to swap one back and forth. Now this. I need to know if this is normal for these. Fuck this is why I can never make a decision
 
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I defintally do not think that is normal (unless you were holding the camera wierd) does it get better if you raise your head? you might not be looking threw the scope square.

If you are looking threw the scope square vortex will make that right
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I defintally do not think that is normal (unless you were holding the camera wierd) does it get better if you raise your head? you might not be looking threw the scope square.

If you are looking threw the scope square vortex will make that right </div></div>

Seriously? I can't make my other scopes do this even if I try...... not with a clear sight picture. The eyebox on a PST isn't that big
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Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really?

How emotionally invested do you think I would get over my 4-16x?

Doesn't mean it's not a great scope for it's price range.

You ASS! ume too much!

You also have a history of bias against the PST that can be researched quite easily though you have never owned one.

If that's a problem for you tough shit.

I still cay call Vortex. You can beware of that advice if you want to but it's the definitive answer to addressing your problem.


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No shit, I actually said that Vortex has excellent customer service and that he should contact them.
Twice in this thread alone, I have stated that the 6-24 is well regarded but since I'm not accusing the OP of being an asshat, you assume I am bashing the scope and Vortex.
You have insisted the OP is either incompetent or lying about the condition of his scope.

For christs sake, Vortex admits it is an issue and is a design element they considered to keep the cost down.

You know why I don't own a Vortex? I looked through 2 different PST 4-16's and found them wanting. One wasn't bad, not great, but not bad the other couldn't discern 30 cal bullet holes at 200 yards.

Your response is proof enough that you can't be objective.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al22300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I defintally do not think that is normal (unless you were holding the camera wierd) does it get better if you raise your head? you might not be looking threw the scope square.

If you are looking threw the scope square vortex will make that right </div></div>

Seriously? I can't make my other scopes do this even if I try...... not with a clear sight picture. The eyebox on a PST isn't that big
smile.gif
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Sir, you are making the mistake of bringing a less than satisfactory light to bear on a favored son.

Vortex is a excellent company, the Razor appears to be a truly outstanding scope, but then, it is made in Japan.

As you can see by the responses you have gotten from a few, they are vehement in their defense of the PST line.

The PST line is a very well designed line of scopes, the problem is that they tried to fit too many things into a certain price range and quality suffered. It doesn't help that they have them built in the Philippines instead of Japan.
If Weaver could bring in a very well designed scope with very good glass (Weaver Tactical 3-15X or 4-20X) with MOST of the same features for 100 less, and made in Japan, why couldn't Vortex?

The PST line is a damn attractive package, I feel there are too many compromises.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al22300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of you don't believe me so here are some pics.</div></div>
OK, that's pretty bad. Mine's nothing like that. I'd send it back.
 
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Ok, thanks Jon. Now I feel like an idiot to have tried so hard to make this work for me
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Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

Like fdkay said, nice features, to many compromises. I sold my pst because zero stop, ffp, matching turrets, illuminated reticle, optical zero, included sunshade, stuff like that, are a FAR distant second to glass quality. My 4-16 wouldn't focus at all. Parallax worked but focus wouldn't follow - just a fuzzy picture. Was about to send it in until i looked at other pst scopes at my local shop. Same thing. Sold the scope and went Leupold mk4. Lost a few features (illuminated reticle and sun shade) but man, it sure is nice to see what you're shooting at and actually spot hits!
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like fdkay said, nice features, to many compromises. I sold my pst because zero stop, ffp, matching turrets, illuminated reticle, optical zero, included sunshade, stuff like that, are a FAR distant second to glass quality. My 4-16 wouldn't focus at all. Parallax worked but focus wouldn't follow - just a fuzzy picture. Was about to send it in until i looked at other pst scopes at my local shop. Same thing. Sold the scope and went Leupold mk4. Lost a few features (illuminated reticle and sun shade) but man, it sure is nice to see what you're shooting at and actually spot hits! </div></div>
I hear ya....the scope is tough to use in low light. I havn't really had a problem at the range though.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

fdkay's assessment is fair. It is possible to try and do too much and still maintain a price point. I have no issue with mine seeing 7mm holes at 300 yds with the 6-24. The same cannot be said for the 4-16 I had, however.

Part of the problem was all the hype that was generated by those that thought it would be a Nightforce killer for half the cost. People were frothing at the mouth waiting for their release, which was marred by some issues straight away. Vortex and their stellar CS took care of the issues, however, just as they will in this instance.

The PST is still a great scope, <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">in its price range</span></span>, especially as equipped.
 
Re: Frustrations with the Vortex 6-24x50 PST

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al22300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I defintally do not think that is normal (unless you were holding the camera wierd) does it get better if you raise your head? you might not be looking threw the scope square.

If you are looking threw the scope square vortex will make that right </div></div>

Seriously? I can't make my other scopes do this even if I try...... not with a clear sight picture. The eyebox on a PST isn't that big
smile.gif
</div></div>

I wasnt trying to imply that you were. Id send it back.
 
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This is not what I needed to stumble on 2 days after ordering a PST!

Everything I found before ordering was glowing reports...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you assume I am bashing the scope and Vortex.
</div></div>
You always have. Have you now stopped?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You have insisted the OP is either incompetent or lying about the condition of his scope.</div></div>

Really? Where? Show me.

OP - I haven't had my PST to 1000 yards, but I've been pretty close (within 10-15 yards) and all yardages up to that distance without problems. Maybe my scope is a good one? Also, as for the "full field of view window", mine is a 4-16 and I haven't compared it to a 6-24 so unfortunately I can't help you there. I know I can get centered up without difficulty.

I think JonA pretty much answered your question if your scope is worse than usual or not. I would recommend him as a reliable (unbiased) source. His input has served me well in the past.

The bad news is you have to go through some hassle right now.
The good news is there's a lot of good scopes available now and the chances are that either your PST can be made to suit your standards or you will end up with something else that you will be happy with. There have been a lot of improvements in the last few years.
 
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Send it back, I've never seen anything like those pics show in any PST.....

Keep in mind, Vortex as a company has grown like ten-fold in the last few years....so there is a chance somebody didn't tell you exactly the right thing....but there is zero chance you won't be taken care of here, I personally guarantee it. Any issues at all you let me know.

As a professional staff, Vortex has assembled one of the highest quality groups I've ever dealt with, and they make their dealers look good over and over again.

OP, don't sweat this, and no one who just bought one of these or is thinking about needs to worry either.

Scott
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you assume I am bashing the scope and Vortex.
</div></div>
You always have. Have you now stopped?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You have insisted the OP is either incompetent or lying about the condition of his scope.</div></div>

Really? Where? Show me.

OP - I haven't had my PST to 1000 yards, but I've been pretty close (within 10-15 yards) and all yardages up to that distance without problems. Maybe my scope is a good one? Also, as for the "full field of view window", mine is a 4-16 and I haven't compared it to a 6-24 so unfortunately I can't help you there. I know I can get centered up without difficulty.

I think JonA pretty much answered your question if your scope is worse than usual or not. I would recommend him as a reliable (unbiased) source. His input has served me well in the past.

The bad news is you have to go through some hassle right now.
The good news is there's a lot of good scopes available now and the chances are that either your PST can be made to suit your standards or you will end up with something else that you will be happy with. There have been a lot of improvements in the last few years.

</div></div>
I have never bashed them, not once.
I have pointed out the shortcomings and acted as a voice of reason in a sea of fanatical obsessiveness.

I have ALWAYS maintained that they have excellent customer service.
 
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