For the life of me I can not figure out why we are buying ammo by the cases. There has been no talk of banning ammo or raising taxes on ammo so why the chaos? All we are accomplishing is backing up every supplier and manufacturer for the next year.
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Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives.
I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives.
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I just set this at the end of my driveway...I had no idea. I got caught in this silly panic as well. Thank god you came along DUD.
I just set this at the end of my driveway...I had no idea. I got caught in this silly panic as well. Thank god you came along DUD.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Caught short handed?
And it may not last indefinitely, but it will still be going pop long after we aren't.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Caught short handed?
And it may not last indefinitely, but it will still be going pop long after we aren't.
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Really? It seems to last pretty frickin' long in my personal experience. I know that I received some hand-me-down .22LR rounds that dates back to the youth of my dad and uncle; the stuff worked just fine.
On a list of concerns about ammunition, "shelf life" is pretty close to the bottom.
As to the question posed in the thread title, the answer is "uncertainty". Ammo is (somewhat) cheap, it does not tend to depreciate rapidly, and if I'm not certain I can buy it in the future, then I'm going to gobble it up while I still can. 10k rounds of rimfire ammo seems like a lot, but that's only $500-600 or so - pretty damn inexpensive in the grand scheme of things.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Really? It seems to last pretty frickin' long in my personal experience. I know that I received some hand-me-down .22LR rounds that dates back to the youth of my dad and uncle; the stuff worked just fine.
On a list of concerns about ammunition, "shelf life" is pretty close to the bottom.
As to the question posed in the thread title, the answer is "uncertainty". Ammo is (somewhat) cheap, it does not tend to depreciate rapidly, and if I'm not certain I can buy it in the future, then I'm going to gobble it up while I still can. 10k rounds of rimfire ammo seems like a lot, but that's only $500-600 or so - pretty damn inexpensive in the grand scheme of things.
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Stuff has been taking up space for years..now I have room ot bring the Subaru back inside the garage..besides my new OBAMA decals wont stick if the car sits outside in the cold...
Stuff has been taking up space for years..now I have room ot bring the Subaru back inside the garage..besides my new OBAMA decals wont stick if the car sits outside in the cold...
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Seems to me you are making some incorrect assumptions about my political affiliation
Seems to me you are making some incorrect assumptions about my political affiliation
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Whats a gun worth if there are no bullets? What do you think if the Govt BANNED alcohol? People would be buying as much whiskey, beer, wine, including memorabilia as they could afford.
Im thinking its our natural instinct as Americans to do this. Our nation was born from revolt. So when the Govt threatens our liberties, we arm ourselves. If we were truly sheeple and are use to being ruled by kings and dictators like Europe, this probably wouldnt be (As bad).
Whats a gun worth if there are no bullets? What do you think if the Govt BANNED alcohol? People would be buying as much whiskey, beer, wine, including memorabilia as they could afford.
Im thinking its our natural instinct as Americans to do this. Our nation was born from revolt. So when the Govt threatens our liberties, we arm ourselves. If we were truly sheeple and are use to being ruled by kings and dictators like Europe, this probably wouldnt be (As bad).
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I agree mad. To play devils advocate do you think this chaos could be dramatized by the media?
I agree mad. To play devils advocate do you think this chaos could be dramatized by the media?
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I dunno but it really REALLY pisses me off!I shoot 3 times a week I reload almost every night... suddenly, I am out of supplies because a bunch of doomsday preppers bought up all my F*&king supplies, which I know is just sitting in their damn basements. I have a hard time finding .22 ammo right now, and bullets, powder, primers... gone. boxed ammo is rapidly going away which I don't want to buy anyway but still. I wouldn't have a problem with it if the ranges were packed and people were getting out to shoot but NOPE, so that tells me everyone is sitting on a bunch of ammo out of fear. JERKS! The last time this crap happened I was unable to get a decent range day for 4 months do to "ammo shortage" BULLSH*T! just a bunch of people who bought and stockpiled, probably still sitting on the same ammo
I dunno but it really REALLY pisses me off!I shoot 3 times a week I reload almost every night... suddenly, I am out of supplies because a bunch of doomsday preppers bought up all my F*&king supplies, which I know is just sitting in their damn basements. I have a hard time finding .22 ammo right now, and bullets, powder, primers... gone. boxed ammo is rapidly going away which I don't want to buy anyway but still. I wouldn't have a problem with it if the ranges were packed and people were getting out to shoot but NOPE, so that tells me everyone is sitting on a bunch of ammo out of fear. JERKS! The last time this crap happened I was unable to get a decent range day for 4 months do to "ammo shortage" BULLSH*T! just a bunch of people who bought and stockpiled, probably still sitting on the same ammo
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
There's a very simple answer to the question in the title of this thread:
We're buying up all the ammo because the Federal Government is doing the same.
There's a very simple answer to the question in the title of this thread:
We're buying up all the ammo because the Federal Government is doing the same.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a very simple answer to the question in the title of this thread:
We're buying up all the ammo because the Federal Government is doing the same. </div></div>
^BEST ANSWER POSSIBLE!!^^
And so what if people are sitting on ammo? Just because they were smart enough to buy bulk, and stockpile it doesnt make them (Jerks). Perhaps you should have reloaded more before anything like this happened.
In all honesty, I have a good stockpile. I havent shot for practice since all this has been happening. You wanna know why? Practice is over...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a very simple answer to the question in the title of this thread:
We're buying up all the ammo because the Federal Government is doing the same. </div></div>
^BEST ANSWER POSSIBLE!!^^
And so what if people are sitting on ammo? Just because they were smart enough to buy bulk, and stockpile it doesnt make them (Jerks). Perhaps you should have reloaded more before anything like this happened.
In all honesty, I have a good stockpile. I havent shot for practice since all this has been happening. You wanna know why? Practice is over...
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It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E. Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Really? It seems to last pretty frickin' long in my personal experience. I know that I received some hand-me-down .22LR rounds that dates back to the youth of my dad and uncle; the stuff worked just fine.
On a list of concerns about ammunition, "shelf life" is pretty close to the bottom.
As to the question posed in the thread title, the answer is "uncertainty". Ammo is (somewhat) cheap, it does not tend to depreciate rapidly, and if I'm not certain I can buy it in the future, then I'm going to gobble it up while I still can. 10k rounds of rimfire ammo seems like a lot, but that's only $500-600 or so - pretty damn inexpensive in the grand scheme of things. </div></div>
As I understand it the shelf life is largely dependent on storage conditions. Keep it at a steady, reasonable temperture (say above 40% and belo 110% farenhiet),and dry and the stuff should last a long time. I had some WWII era stuff that worked just fine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E. Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
Really? It seems to last pretty frickin' long in my personal experience. I know that I received some hand-me-down .22LR rounds that dates back to the youth of my dad and uncle; the stuff worked just fine.
On a list of concerns about ammunition, "shelf life" is pretty close to the bottom.
As to the question posed in the thread title, the answer is "uncertainty". Ammo is (somewhat) cheap, it does not tend to depreciate rapidly, and if I'm not certain I can buy it in the future, then I'm going to gobble it up while I still can. 10k rounds of rimfire ammo seems like a lot, but that's only $500-600 or so - pretty damn inexpensive in the grand scheme of things. </div></div>
As I understand it the shelf life is largely dependent on storage conditions. Keep it at a steady, reasonable temperture (say above 40% and belo 110% farenhiet),and dry and the stuff should last a long time. I had some WWII era stuff that worked just fine.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blueclawz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stuff has been taking up space for years..now I have room ot bring the Subaru back inside the garage..besides my new OBAMA decals wont stick if the car sits outside in the cold... </div></div>
Obama decals priceless
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blueclawz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stuff has been taking up space for years..now I have room ot bring the Subaru back inside the garage..besides my new OBAMA decals wont stick if the car sits outside in the cold... </div></div>
Obama decals priceless
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: madppcs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Practice is over...</div></div>
I wished...
I think the american people will bend over prety far and take uncle sam's big fat one all the way to the root before we do anything about it...
any attempt to organize a millitia as our constitution alows us to do would be considered terrorism these days.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: madppcs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Practice is over...</div></div>
I wished...
I think the american people will bend over prety far and take uncle sam's big fat one all the way to the root before we do anything about it...
any attempt to organize a millitia as our constitution alows us to do would be considered terrorism these days.
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives.</div></div>
Maybe the guy runs a youth shooting program? You never know. It doesn't matter. Cash is King!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have not heard that and I will read up on it. Its just mind boggling to me to witness what I did about 30 minutes ago. I was in my local walmart and went over to sporting goods and to my surprise they were taking in a rather large order of ammo. I watched a guy buy 10,000..... yes 10,000 rounds of 22LR. This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives.</div></div>
Maybe the guy runs a youth shooting program? You never know. It doesn't matter. Cash is King!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
I'm still shooting Remington an Winchester that I bought when the Peanut Farmer was elected, same gun shoots the same poa/poi as back when.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
I'm still shooting Remington an Winchester that I bought when the Peanut Farmer was elected, same gun shoots the same poa/poi as back when.
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I have some ammo from 52, it still looks good and goes bang with authority. I am 44, so if I exterpolate the life cycle of the ammo I have owned inmy lifetime, figuring the likelyhood of me living another 40 years, carry the four, divided by metric 6.....I am pretty sure my ammo will last me.....indefinately. I am pretty sure that after I am stinkin, and the stinkin is long gone, and nothin but dry bones remain....the ammo I have purchased in 2012 will be good. Matter of fact I am positive.
I am not concerned about my ammo LASTING. I am betting on it getting used up one way or another.
I can sympathize with the setting around in someone's basement comment. I often feel that frustration myself. I am beginning to think its a bit different, and less simple than that.
Listen. Ammo and components have been coming up short since early November. The run on 22LR is unprecidented but it started first. I have kept my eyes open and my ear to teh ground in teh last 12 months. As I have said before, this has been coming a long time. If you got caught with your pants down shame on you.
I am not planning to shoot what I can't replace this year. That is the smart thing to do. I hope the supply levels off sooner than later. We will see.
I have some ammo from 52, it still looks good and goes bang with authority. I am 44, so if I exterpolate the life cycle of the ammo I have owned inmy lifetime, figuring the likelyhood of me living another 40 years, carry the four, divided by metric 6.....I am pretty sure my ammo will last me.....indefinately. I am pretty sure that after I am stinkin, and the stinkin is long gone, and nothin but dry bones remain....the ammo I have purchased in 2012 will be good. Matter of fact I am positive.
I am not concerned about my ammo LASTING. I am betting on it getting used up one way or another.
I can sympathize with the setting around in someone's basement comment. I often feel that frustration myself. I am beginning to think its a bit different, and less simple than that.
Listen. Ammo and components have been coming up short since early November. The run on 22LR is unprecidented but it started first. I have kept my eyes open and my ear to teh ground in teh last 12 months. As I have said before, this has been coming a long time. If you got caught with your pants down shame on you.
I am not planning to shoot what I can't replace this year. That is the smart thing to do. I hope the supply levels off sooner than later. We will see.
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Last go round we got in line for cheap ammo by purchasing .22LR by the pallet to be divided up amongst friends . I believe I have 40,000+ rounds still . This may seem like a lot but when my Daughter and I get to shooting it doesn't take long to make 1000 rounds dissappear . Divide that by never being able to buy it again and I don't think it equals a lifetime of shooting should I have grandkids .
Last go round we got in line for cheap ammo by purchasing .22LR by the pallet to be divided up amongst friends . I believe I have 40,000+ rounds still . This may seem like a lot but when my Daughter and I get to shooting it doesn't take long to make 1000 rounds dissappear . Divide that by never being able to buy it again and I don't think it equals a lifetime of shooting should I have grandkids .
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Several years ago, I could buy a 100 value pack of 9mm at Walmart for ten bucks. Last time I bought it, the same box of cheap ammo was 25 bucks. That was only a six year difference. Talk about inflation. This isn't even gouging prices!
I know I'll use it, and it saves money in the long run. What kind of investment have you made in that same timeframe that yielded that kind of return?
Several years ago, I could buy a 100 value pack of 9mm at Walmart for ten bucks. Last time I bought it, the same box of cheap ammo was 25 bucks. That was only a six year difference. Talk about inflation. This isn't even gouging prices!
I know I'll use it, and it saves money in the long run. What kind of investment have you made in that same timeframe that yielded that kind of return?
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Im not buying up all the ammo. im not a prepper, I just want enough ammo to fuel my hobby. I dont think the normal gun community are to blame for all the empty shelves.
Im not buying up all the ammo. im not a prepper, I just want enough ammo to fuel my hobby. I dont think the normal gun community are to blame for all the empty shelves.
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I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment...
I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
For the win!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
For the win!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
Best post... EVER!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
Best post... EVER!
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I certainly can't beat that answer but here in Kalifornia ammo restrictions are commonplace. Just try to get a 5.7 pistol in this lovely state. There are bills coming through to restrict ammo purchases to under 499 rounds, no Internet sales of ammo, registration of ammo, additional taxes that would rival tobacco taxes, restrictions on giving, loaning, or selling ammo privately. good grief if you can think of it, it is being tried here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
For the win!</div></div>
I certainly can't beat that answer but here in Kalifornia ammo restrictions are commonplace. Just try to get a 5.7 pistol in this lovely state. There are bills coming through to restrict ammo purchases to under 499 rounds, no Internet sales of ammo, registration of ammo, additional taxes that would rival tobacco taxes, restrictions on giving, loaning, or selling ammo privately. good grief if you can think of it, it is being tried here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kahekili</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess if my ammo is exchanged for freedom, then I would have to say I got a great return on my investment... </div></div>
For the win!</div></div>
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I bought a 1000 rds of m855 ammo before all the panic buying, for my new AR. Now I'm afraid once I use that up I'm going to be out of ammo for a long time. This is getting ridiculous.
I bought a 1000 rds of m855 ammo before all the panic buying, for my new AR. Now I'm afraid once I use that up I'm going to be out of ammo for a long time. This is getting ridiculous.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the life of me I can not figure out why we are buying ammo by the cases. There has been no talk of banning ammo or raising taxes on ammo so why the chaos? All we are accomplishing is backing up every supplier and manufacturer for the next year. </div></div>
It is but a drop in the bucket.
http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the life of me I can not figure out why we are buying ammo by the cases. There has been no talk of banning ammo or raising taxes on ammo so why the chaos? All we are accomplishing is backing up every supplier and manufacturer for the next year. </div></div>
It is but a drop in the bucket.
http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/
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2 months ago I couldn't ever see needing more than 2 mags for my LR. Needless to say I have a few more than 2 now- even though I will likely die with 95% of them still in the wrapper.
Hoarding begets hoarding.
Or as I learned very early in life... "Monkey see, monkey do."
2 months ago I couldn't ever see needing more than 2 mags for my LR. Needless to say I have a few more than 2 now- even though I will likely die with 95% of them still in the wrapper.
Hoarding begets hoarding.
Or as I learned very early in life... "Monkey see, monkey do."
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the life of me I can not figure out why we are buying ammo by the cases. There has been no talk of banning ammo or raising taxes on ammo so why the chaos? All we are accomplishing is backing up every supplier and manufacturer for the next year. </div></div>
It is but a drop in the bucket.
http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/ </div></div>
While I have no doubt this is true, RT is "Russia Today" not the best source for information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the life of me I can not figure out why we are buying ammo by the cases. There has been no talk of banning ammo or raising taxes on ammo so why the chaos? All we are accomplishing is backing up every supplier and manufacturer for the next year. </div></div>
It is but a drop in the bucket.
http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-million-point-government-179/ </div></div>
While I have no doubt this is true, RT is "Russia Today" not the best source for information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
Our Grandkids are gonna need ammo someday, even if we're past any such need; and I think we can all figure out what the Government will have to say about that when their time comes around. I can think of worse legacies to be leaving them.
...do it <span style="font-style: italic">for the children</span>...
Greg
Our Grandkids are gonna need ammo someday, even if we're past any such need; and I think we can all figure out what the Government will have to say about that when their time comes around. I can think of worse legacies to be leaving them.
...do it <span style="font-style: italic">for the children</span>...
Greg
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
While I have no doubt this is true, RT is "Russia Today" not the best source for information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29 </div></div>
I trust them more than MSNBC, CBS, ABC. They've been correct more often than not and are usually on our (U.S. gun owners) side. Their a lot like the BBC in that they air stories that our media white-washes or ignores all together.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
While I have no doubt this is true, RT is "Russia Today" not the best source for information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29 </div></div>
I trust them more than MSNBC, CBS, ABC. They've been correct more often than not and are usually on our (U.S. gun owners) side. Their a lot like the BBC in that they air stories that our media white-washes or ignores all together.
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We will see today what happens. Even the liberal sources are saying that any type of weapon restriction is going to be met with alot of opposition. I believe there to be many more gun nuts than there are anti gun nuts. Majority of people understand it is more about the rights than the weapon.
One of my favorite quotes when it comes to this topic "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."-Isoroku Yamamoto. Now whether or not he really said that is not the point, but it did prevent the attack of the west coast. Most people agree with this and everybody knows that any attempt to strip rifles or ammunition would be met with extreme opposition.
So again I ask why buy up all the ammo? All we are doing is creating this false demand. We all know how supply and demand works, so with this false demand comes higher prices and when it comes to the free market people can charge whatever they can sell their product for. Once they know that we are willing to pay higher prices they will charge it and it will be hard pressed to get the prices to come back down.
We will see today what happens. Even the liberal sources are saying that any type of weapon restriction is going to be met with alot of opposition. I believe there to be many more gun nuts than there are anti gun nuts. Majority of people understand it is more about the rights than the weapon.
One of my favorite quotes when it comes to this topic "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."-Isoroku Yamamoto. Now whether or not he really said that is not the point, but it did prevent the attack of the west coast. Most people agree with this and everybody knows that any attempt to strip rifles or ammunition would be met with extreme opposition.
So again I ask why buy up all the ammo? All we are doing is creating this false demand. We all know how supply and demand works, so with this false demand comes higher prices and when it comes to the free market people can charge whatever they can sell their product for. Once they know that we are willing to pay higher prices they will charge it and it will be hard pressed to get the prices to come back down.
Re: Why are we buying up all the ammo???
Tell you what, brother: <span style="color: #FF0000">Be the change that you want to see</span>.
Refuse to buy any ammo, and encourage everyone you know to do the same. Keep up the good fight!
Tell you what, brother: <span style="color: #FF0000">Be the change that you want to see</span>.
Refuse to buy any ammo, and encourage everyone you know to do the same. Keep up the good fight!
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I'm afraid I don't understand why it's so hard to find .22 ammo. I can't take my son to shoot his Crickett rifle because I can't find that stuff ANYWHERE. Are the militia's really arming themselves with rimfire? Had I known sooner that .22 was such a hot item to hoard, I would have picked up a box. Live and learn.
I'm afraid I don't understand why it's so hard to find .22 ammo. I can't take my son to shoot his Crickett rifle because I can't find that stuff ANYWHERE. Are the militia's really arming themselves with rimfire? Had I known sooner that .22 was such a hot item to hoard, I would have picked up a box. Live and learn.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why are we buying up all the ammo???</div></div>
Because of this?
http://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/ammunition-background-check-act-of-2013
Bill Summary: Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013
This month, Senator Blumenthal will introduce legislation to require instant background checks on sales of ammunition.
Under current law, it is illegal to sell both firearms and ammunition to certain groups, including,
felons
fugitives
drug addicts
people deemed “mentally defective” by a court, or committed to a mental institution
persons under a protective order for, or convicted of, domestic abuse
But under current law, firearms and ammunition are not treated the same way. If a felon walks into a store licensed to sell firearms and tries to buy a gun, the store will run an instant background check of an FBI database (National Instant Background Check System, or NICS), and the purchase will be denied. By contrast, if a felon walks into the same store to buy ammunition, he can load up an entire shopping cart with ammunition, pay up, and walk out, no questions asked. The store is not required to run an instant background check for ammo purchases. In fact, the store couldn't run a background check even if it wanted to – because the FBI database is only available for firearms purchases, not for ammo.
Background checks have worked in many cases to keep firearms from falling into the wrong hands.
According to the FBI, over the last decade, more than 100 million background checks have been run on firearms purchases.
The vast majority of checks took about 30 seconds. Approximately 700,000 people under the law were prohibited from purchasing guns – including felons, domestic abusers, and the mentally ill.
The Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013 would require that every buyer of ammunition would undergo an instant background check under the FBI’s National Instant Background Check System (NICS).
Federally licensed gun dealers could simply use their existing system to run checks on purchasers of ammunition (either electronically or by telephone).
Sellers of ammunition who are not federal licensees can continue to sell simply by conducting a background check through an existing licensee or by getting a federal license.
In addition to requiring background checks, the legislation would reestablish recordkeeping and reporting requirements on ammunition sales. Prior to the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act, sellers of ammunition had to track their inventory and keep records of their customers.
The Ammunition Background Check Act restores these requirements so that law enforcement can ensure that sellers are complying with the law and can use seller records to solve gun crimes.
The Act also requires sellers of ammunition to report to law enforcement when a purchaser buys more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition or when a large quantity of ammunition is stolen.
Finally, the bill bans Teflon-coated bullets and incendiary ammunition. The current federal ban on armor-piercing ammunition exempts certain kinds of Teflon-coated bullets, as well as incendiary ammunition designed to ignite or explode on contact. Both of these kinds of ammunition can defeat body armor, and pose a grave danger to law enforcement. They should be banned.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why are we buying up all the ammo???</div></div>
Because of this?
http://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/ammunition-background-check-act-of-2013
Bill Summary: Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013
This month, Senator Blumenthal will introduce legislation to require instant background checks on sales of ammunition.
Under current law, it is illegal to sell both firearms and ammunition to certain groups, including,
felons
fugitives
drug addicts
people deemed “mentally defective” by a court, or committed to a mental institution
persons under a protective order for, or convicted of, domestic abuse
But under current law, firearms and ammunition are not treated the same way. If a felon walks into a store licensed to sell firearms and tries to buy a gun, the store will run an instant background check of an FBI database (National Instant Background Check System, or NICS), and the purchase will be denied. By contrast, if a felon walks into the same store to buy ammunition, he can load up an entire shopping cart with ammunition, pay up, and walk out, no questions asked. The store is not required to run an instant background check for ammo purchases. In fact, the store couldn't run a background check even if it wanted to – because the FBI database is only available for firearms purchases, not for ammo.
Background checks have worked in many cases to keep firearms from falling into the wrong hands.
According to the FBI, over the last decade, more than 100 million background checks have been run on firearms purchases.
The vast majority of checks took about 30 seconds. Approximately 700,000 people under the law were prohibited from purchasing guns – including felons, domestic abusers, and the mentally ill.
The Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013 would require that every buyer of ammunition would undergo an instant background check under the FBI’s National Instant Background Check System (NICS).
Federally licensed gun dealers could simply use their existing system to run checks on purchasers of ammunition (either electronically or by telephone).
Sellers of ammunition who are not federal licensees can continue to sell simply by conducting a background check through an existing licensee or by getting a federal license.
In addition to requiring background checks, the legislation would reestablish recordkeeping and reporting requirements on ammunition sales. Prior to the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act, sellers of ammunition had to track their inventory and keep records of their customers.
The Ammunition Background Check Act restores these requirements so that law enforcement can ensure that sellers are complying with the law and can use seller records to solve gun crimes.
The Act also requires sellers of ammunition to report to law enforcement when a purchaser buys more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition or when a large quantity of ammunition is stolen.
Finally, the bill bans Teflon-coated bullets and incendiary ammunition. The current federal ban on armor-piercing ammunition exempts certain kinds of Teflon-coated bullets, as well as incendiary ammunition designed to ignite or explode on contact. Both of these kinds of ammunition can defeat body armor, and pose a grave danger to law enforcement. They should be banned.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Grandkids are gonna need ammo someday, even if we're past any such need; and I think we can all figure out what the Government will have to say about that when their time comes around. I can think of worse legacies to be leaving them.
...do it <span style="font-style: italic">for the children</span>...
Greg </div></div>
I figured I would throw this in, ammo from my grandfather that still goes "boom" after a little cleaning ( ya thats 1945 head stamps, the center un-pop primer is from a tracer I pulled to load a sqib for a display) ..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Grandkids are gonna need ammo someday, even if we're past any such need; and I think we can all figure out what the Government will have to say about that when their time comes around. I can think of worse legacies to be leaving them.
...do it <span style="font-style: italic">for the children</span>...
Greg </div></div>
I figured I would throw this in, ammo from my grandfather that still goes "boom" after a little cleaning ( ya thats 1945 head stamps, the center un-pop primer is from a tracer I pulled to load a sqib for a display) ..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
I shoot M2 ball .30-06 ammo from the early 60's pretty much exclusively. Every one (and it's been a lot) has gone bang.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slapdud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This stuff does not have indefinite shelf lives. </div></div>
I shoot M2 ball .30-06 ammo from the early 60's pretty much exclusively. Every one (and it's been a lot) has gone bang.
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I usually buy at least 5K at a time. I would buy 10K now if I could find it. If I should a steel challenge match that is 250-300 rounds. If I take my daughter to shoot and she uses the S&W 15-22 there goes at least 500 rounds. Take the wife too and it could go up to 750 or 1K in a weekend.
As to shelf life, I have some .22 LR that I inherited from my grandfather that is at least 40 years old. I've shot trap with Win AA shells that are probably that old.
I usually buy at least 5K at a time. I would buy 10K now if I could find it. If I should a steel challenge match that is 250-300 rounds. If I take my daughter to shoot and she uses the S&W 15-22 there goes at least 500 rounds. Take the wife too and it could go up to 750 or 1K in a weekend.
As to shelf life, I have some .22 LR that I inherited from my grandfather that is at least 40 years old. I've shot trap with Win AA shells that are probably that old.
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Really? complaining that someone bought all the ammo at Walmart? This complaint boggles my mind.
1) I'm glad there are so many people who give a crap about shooting
2) I like preppers, good for them
3) I like ammo companies, I hope their stocks SOAR
4) I'd like the Libs to give pause when they wonder where all the ammo went.
5) If you like to shoot, you should have bought some ammo. Have we forgotten the shortage of the winter of 2008? Really? Forgot? The same guy just got re-elected...what did you think was going to happen to ammo supplies? NEWSFLASH: if you reload, you better buy primers because they'll be gone soon, too. Big O got re-elected, he stated he wanted an A-W ban, Aurora, Connecticut...hello??? hard to find ammo these days? NO CRAP.
If you couldn't see this shortage coming you need to re-adjust your glasses.
Really? complaining that someone bought all the ammo at Walmart? This complaint boggles my mind.
1) I'm glad there are so many people who give a crap about shooting
2) I like preppers, good for them
3) I like ammo companies, I hope their stocks SOAR
4) I'd like the Libs to give pause when they wonder where all the ammo went.
5) If you like to shoot, you should have bought some ammo. Have we forgotten the shortage of the winter of 2008? Really? Forgot? The same guy just got re-elected...what did you think was going to happen to ammo supplies? NEWSFLASH: if you reload, you better buy primers because they'll be gone soon, too. Big O got re-elected, he stated he wanted an A-W ban, Aurora, Connecticut...hello??? hard to find ammo these days? NO CRAP.
If you couldn't see this shortage coming you need to re-adjust your glasses.
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OK. I guess you guys are gonna keep this up till I talk about things that are simply no one's business but mine, (is that OPSEC?) in order to illustrate what you should have already figured out.
22lr evil rifle clones have become very common. All types of conversion units have become common for many popular pistol models. It is my hope that people who have never properly learned to handle a weapon are in fact training to use them quite proficiently. This gives me much hope, and should scare the hell out of the retards hell bent on bans, registration and confiscation. Here is where I illustrate. My 20yr old and 13 yr old daughters have demanded that I TRAIN them. Not take them out to the range for a plinking session...no, they want comprehensive training on all the weapons I own. Proper field stripping, cleaning, operation, minor repair and even handloading. Those that I can shoot with 22lr will be economically feasible to spend a lot of time with. If I have to use centerfire ammo to get these girls up to speed it will cost me a fortune. If the crunch continues, 2 fortunes.
I am sure that some of the ammo is sitting around. I hope that those that have put it back, are planning to use it in a meaningful manner, rather than bury it in the hope that their progeny has the balls one day to use it.
OK. I guess you guys are gonna keep this up till I talk about things that are simply no one's business but mine, (is that OPSEC?) in order to illustrate what you should have already figured out.
22lr evil rifle clones have become very common. All types of conversion units have become common for many popular pistol models. It is my hope that people who have never properly learned to handle a weapon are in fact training to use them quite proficiently. This gives me much hope, and should scare the hell out of the retards hell bent on bans, registration and confiscation. Here is where I illustrate. My 20yr old and 13 yr old daughters have demanded that I TRAIN them. Not take them out to the range for a plinking session...no, they want comprehensive training on all the weapons I own. Proper field stripping, cleaning, operation, minor repair and even handloading. Those that I can shoot with 22lr will be economically feasible to spend a lot of time with. If I have to use centerfire ammo to get these girls up to speed it will cost me a fortune. If the crunch continues, 2 fortunes.
I am sure that some of the ammo is sitting around. I hope that those that have put it back, are planning to use it in a meaningful manner, rather than bury it in the hope that their progeny has the balls one day to use it.
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I will take it a step further into my dark idea of future where shooters will simply be persecuted at every whim by any means. The little ol .22 let's me continue to stay proficient in my skill sets for much less in cost and much less noise and attention. I can take any game in North America quietly and efficiently as I choose if necessary. Really I can't see why you wouldn't have mass quantities of .22lr no matter what you shoot. Seems to me a lot of the members here think of guns and shooting much as going out and playing a round of golf. While it is pleasurable I don't view it as any type of game. I think some of you are short sighted as hell and can't seem to wrap your head around where we are...
I will take it a step further into my dark idea of future where shooters will simply be persecuted at every whim by any means. The little ol .22 let's me continue to stay proficient in my skill sets for much less in cost and much less noise and attention. I can take any game in North America quietly and efficiently as I choose if necessary. Really I can't see why you wouldn't have mass quantities of .22lr no matter what you shoot. Seems to me a lot of the members here think of guns and shooting much as going out and playing a round of golf. While it is pleasurable I don't view it as any type of game. I think some of you are short sighted as hell and can't seem to wrap your head around where we are...
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I took heed of the '08 ammo drought and have put away a nice stock of powder, primers and bullets. Powder Valley just got in some R15 and I bought 5# to add to my larder. I have a baseline of components and try to replace items as they are consumed.
I took heed of the '08 ammo drought and have put away a nice stock of powder, primers and bullets. Powder Valley just got in some R15 and I bought 5# to add to my larder. I have a baseline of components and try to replace items as they are consumed.
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For the old timers....Hell, I am still using up old paper 12 gauge "peters" brand shotgun shells. Haven't had a squirrel get away yet.
The really sad part is ammo will probably never come back down to reasonable prices again....much like gasoline...
That is...if you can ever find ammo to buy nowadays...
For the old timers....Hell, I am still using up old paper 12 gauge "peters" brand shotgun shells. Haven't had a squirrel get away yet.
The really sad part is ammo will probably never come back down to reasonable prices again....much like gasoline...
That is...if you can ever find ammo to buy nowadays...
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This week I bought a pair of 1934 Mosin-Nagant 91/30's. They make nice C&R collectors, but they also make good training rifles for my Grandkiddos. They are <span style="font-style: italic">Stoked</span> that they will get to use these rifles at the range this Spring. Spammo-canno ammo for these rifles is still cheap and available, and when the grabbers come, these will likely be the last guns they come for. I sure hope those kiddos know how to shoot straight if <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> day comes.
Just a thought...
Greg
This week I bought a pair of 1934 Mosin-Nagant 91/30's. They make nice C&R collectors, but they also make good training rifles for my Grandkiddos. They are <span style="font-style: italic">Stoked</span> that they will get to use these rifles at the range this Spring. Spammo-canno ammo for these rifles is still cheap and available, and when the grabbers come, these will likely be the last guns they come for. I sure hope those kiddos know how to shoot straight if <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> day comes.
Just a thought...
Greg
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"when" it comes...
"when" it comes...
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Come on, Greg...If they've taken all the full auto rifles, suppressors, semi-auto rifles, semi-auto pistols, lever rifles, pump shotguns, handguns and scoped rifles... THEN you'll start to worry about your Nagants???? By then this country will be done, might as well use the Nagant as kindling.
Come on, Greg...If they've taken all the full auto rifles, suppressors, semi-auto rifles, semi-auto pistols, lever rifles, pump shotguns, handguns and scoped rifles... THEN you'll start to worry about your Nagants???? By then this country will be done, might as well use the Nagant as kindling.
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I worry about them now, but my time for worrying is not all that likely to amount to decades. It is those Grandchildren whose preparation becomes paramount.
Those Mosins are first rate infantry firearms from another day and age; an age when the 'prohibited firearms' were not present, and the Mosins were adequate to throw off invaders and drive them back across an entire continent.
The more one studies and becomes proficient with them, even their quirks (like shooting high) become apparent as beneficial characteristics. Shooting high works like a champ once one understands that the Russian Conscript's training doctrine encouraged him/her to employ the belt buckle as their primary aim point.
This year, the Grandkiddos' training begins in earnest. Utilizing a range of "Zombie Apocalypse" scenarios, they will be taught to identify and engage targets with those Mosin-Nagants on a basis emphasizing target value and hit probabilities. Each rifle is also provided with a USGI M1923 rifle ammo belt which accommodates 100rd of 7.62x54R in 5 round strippers.
When their world is threatened, their skills will be appropriate, whether I'm still around or not.
As for when those skills might become most appropriate, I will leave it to them; it will be their world then.
Greg
I worry about them now, but my time for worrying is not all that likely to amount to decades. It is those Grandchildren whose preparation becomes paramount.
Those Mosins are first rate infantry firearms from another day and age; an age when the 'prohibited firearms' were not present, and the Mosins were adequate to throw off invaders and drive them back across an entire continent.
The more one studies and becomes proficient with them, even their quirks (like shooting high) become apparent as beneficial characteristics. Shooting high works like a champ once one understands that the Russian Conscript's training doctrine encouraged him/her to employ the belt buckle as their primary aim point.
This year, the Grandkiddos' training begins in earnest. Utilizing a range of "Zombie Apocalypse" scenarios, they will be taught to identify and engage targets with those Mosin-Nagants on a basis emphasizing target value and hit probabilities. Each rifle is also provided with a USGI M1923 rifle ammo belt which accommodates 100rd of 7.62x54R in 5 round strippers.
When their world is threatened, their skills will be appropriate, whether I'm still around or not.
As for when those skills might become most appropriate, I will leave it to them; it will be their world then.
Greg
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miles2go</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come on, Greg...If they've taken all the full auto rifles, suppressors, semi-auto rifles, semi-auto pistols, lever rifles, pump shotguns, handguns and scoped rifles... THEN you'll start to worry about your Nagants???? By then this country will be done, might as well use the Nagant as kindling. </div></div>
FYI, some guys I knew long ago were toe tagged via 91/30's, and scoped SKS's while they were carrying M1D's, XM21's and scoped Remington's.
The gun is but a tool, the weapon is the person Male or Female, carrying same. Ability trumps a cool tool most every time, and the fight is never over until the will is killed off.
I have a bring back 91/30 and a M44, and have more than a little respect for both.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miles2go</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come on, Greg...If they've taken all the full auto rifles, suppressors, semi-auto rifles, semi-auto pistols, lever rifles, pump shotguns, handguns and scoped rifles... THEN you'll start to worry about your Nagants???? By then this country will be done, might as well use the Nagant as kindling. </div></div>
FYI, some guys I knew long ago were toe tagged via 91/30's, and scoped SKS's while they were carrying M1D's, XM21's and scoped Remington's.
The gun is but a tool, the weapon is the person Male or Female, carrying same. Ability trumps a cool tool most every time, and the fight is never over until the will is killed off.
I have a bring back 91/30 and a M44, and have more than a little respect for both.
