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Decisions, what do you think??

Whit

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I am having trouble deciding. I have been wanting to get a AI for a long time. I have decided I am going to get a AIAE. I am thinking about selling my rifle that I had upgraded piece by piece over time as money has permited. I am proud of it and love it. It is my first precision rifle. I am raising 3 kids (5,4,&2 Yr old)and puting my wifle through college (which she graduates in April with her BA) so money is alittle tight for us. She gave me the ok to get it with the money we get back during tax time. But being the tight ass that I am, I am having trouble parting with the money because I could sell it to help pay for the AI. I am just not sure how much I could sell it for. I have alot into it because it started out to be $1000 before I ever started to do any upgrades and some of the work was paid for twice. So, do you think I should sell it or take advantage of my wifes generosity and understanding of my passion and keep it?
 
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I'm not sure what your current rifle is, but you'll most likely get more money by parting it out, IF you decide to sell it. However, the first question that I would have to ask is, have you shot the AI? Because, it would truly suck if you got rid of a rifle you love for something you're not crazy about (or *gasp* doesn't shoot as well as what you already have).
 
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You need to ask yourself how attached to this rifle you will be AFTER you aquire the AI, and how much you will shoot it. If you can affor it, keep it, but it sounds like it would make more sense to let it go and use the money in areas that may benifit your daily family life.

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It is a Savage all redone by Jered at APA. It has a Manners MCS-T1 Bartlein barrel 1-10" twist with a Little Jimmy brake, Badger 20 MOA base, SSS competition trigger CDI bottom metal with AI mag. The Bolt was Fluted by Karl at Kampfeld Custom and a Tac-Ops bolt knob installed (before I had Jered do any work). Its all coated in KG GunKote OD Green. It shoots 3/8 MOA and some 1/4 MOA groups (all 5 round groups). I used this as my comp gun. I have a Sako TRG in getting rebarreled into a 260 Rem for comps. Chances are my current one will not be getting shot that much if I get the AIAE.
 
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Probably not the answer you want to hear, but in your shoes Id put the tax money aside and at least wait until your missus graduates before dropping coin on a new toy. You already have a couple of very capable rifles, so why not wait until a little bit of the financial pressure is off?

Just my opinion though
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Get the AIAE and don't look back... You will not regret it
 
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It sounds like you have a great package already. I'm personally fond of rifles that were built from the ground up by a reputable smith and Jared's rep speaks for itself.

If it was me I'd keep the rifle and then buy the AI, perhaps in another caliber. If I found that I preffered one of the other and one of them got little use, then I'd sell that one. If I enjoyed both then I'd keep both if it is feasable.
 
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I am wanting the AIAE in .308. I am fond of my current one (.308) and want to stay with it.
 
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I skipped on the AI AE and went for a Templar Action in an AICS stock. IF you ask me it sounds like you already have a really nice rifle. Can never hurt to get another but if you lose your .260 and just have a .308. No bueno!

Do you have quality optics on your Savage? Maybe taking advantage of the generosity to upgrade optics is your best bet.
 
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Get the AE first. If you bond with it you can then sell your other rifle.
 
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I have a Nightforce NXS on my savage and my Sako TRG.
 
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Why? If you have a rifle that is 1/4 moa capable then what do you hope to get out of this next rifle... Grass isn't always greener on the other side. You could be getting rid of a 1/4moa rifle for a 1/2-5/8moa rifle.
 
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Its more like 3/8 MOA but I can get some 1/4MOA groups out of it. I know its not always greener on the other side. I always wanted a AI, and how everyone is talking about gun bans I can see them moving on to bolt actions next after AR's. My wife told me to keep it and just get the AI. She dont want to see me get rid of any, especially the way everyone talks about gun bans.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its more like 3/8 MOA but I can get some 1/4MOA groups out of it. </div></div>Then what 'MOA of a rifle' is it? And how do you judge that?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have a rifle that is 1/4 moa capable....</div></div>LOL! At what distance? With what ammo? Are you including the shooter? Is this regular performance? Because that means it's a less-than 1/8 MOA rifle with 1/8 MOA ammo. So, the rifle shoots 1/8 MOA under what conditions - bolted to the table? And where do you get ammo that shoots 1/8 MOA? If so, is it still 1/8 ammo at distance and temperature stable?

Hmmmm..... What happens when your barrel heats up?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its more like 3/8 MOA but I can get some 1/4MOA groups out of it. </div></div>Then what 'MOA of a rifle' is it? And how do you judge that?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have a rifle that is 1/4 moa capable....</div></div>LOL! At what distance? With what ammo? Are you including the shooter? Is this regular performance? Because that means it's a less-than 1/8 MOA rifle with 1/8 MOA ammo. So, the rifle shoots 1/8 MOA under what conditions - bolted to the table? And where do you get ammo that shoots 1/8 MOA? If so, is it still 1/8 ammo at distance and temperature stable?

Hmmmm..... What happens when your barrel heats up? </div></div>

Wtf are you talking about.....
 
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What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??

At 100 and 200yd I can keep a 3/8 MOA consistantly with some 1/4 MOA groups. The range I shoot at only goes to 200yds. When I shoot beyond 200yds its on Steel targets at Rayners Range so I dont get a chance to measure beyond that. I have been shooting SouthWest ammo 175 grain Premium ammo. The best group I have shot with it measured .102" and the biggest shot is .477" that was done during barrel break-in.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??

At 100 and 200yd I can keep a 3/8 MOA consistantly with some 1/4 MOA groups. The range I shoot at only goes to 200yds. When I shoot beyond 200yds its on Steel targets at Rayners Range so I dont get a chance to measure beyond that. I have been shooting SouthWest ammo 175 grain Premium ammo. The best group I have shot with it measured .102" and the biggest shot is .477" that was done during barrel break-in.

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Sir,
You would be an idiot to get rid of that rifle.... If you must have a detachable mag/folding stock or whatever else you're worried about them banning then just buy a chassis stock for that rifle.
 
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your gun shoots 1/4 - 3/8 with factory ammmo...don't touch it, appreciate what you have:

"familiarity breeds contempt..."
 
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My Savage does have a Detach Mag. I am more interested in the Action (Its know to be one of the best out there) and being able to switch barrels.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wtf are you talking about..... </div></div>I'm talking about accuracy being a function of a system comprised of rifle, ammo and shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??</div></div>I'm talking about when all best and worst groups average 1/4 MOA, or you shoot five consecutive five shot groups at 2" at 800 yards, then I'll concede you may have a 1/4 MOA rifle. Problem is, in order to to do that, the best the rifle can do must be 1/8 MOA and the best its ammo can do must also be 1/8 MOA. When this happens the result on target will be groupings right around 1/4 MOA (assuming, of course, that you can find ammo that precise and that you can hold equally well).

I'm talking about how to judge accuracy:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...878#Post3025878
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wtf are you talking about..... </div></div>I'm talking about accuracy being a function of a system comprised of rifle, ammo and shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??</div></div>I'm talking about when all best and worst groups average 1/4 MOA, or you shoot five consecutive five shot groups at 2" at 800 yards, then I'll concede you may have a 1/4 MOA rifle. Problem is, in order to to do that, the best the rifle can do must be 1/8 MOA and the best its ammo can do must also be 1/8 MOA. When this happens the result on target will be groupings right around 1/4 MOA (assuming, of course, that you can find ammo that precise and that you can hold comequally well).

I'm talking about how to judge accuracy:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...878#Post3025878 </div></div>

Sooooo? These are hundred yard groups.... Not unheard of. Check out 6mmbr.com and the guys that shoot 1/8" groups in competition and be amazed!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wtf are you talking about..... </div></div>I'm talking about accuracy being a function of a system comprised of rifle, ammo and shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??</div></div>I'm talking about when all best and worst groups average 1/4 MOA, or you shoot five consecutive five shot groups at 2" at 800 yards, then I'll concede you may have a 1/4 MOA rifle. Problem is, in order to to do that, the best the rifle can do must be 1/8 MOA and the best its ammo can do must also be 1/8 MOA. When this happens the result on target will be groupings right around 1/4 MOA (assuming, of course, that you can find ammo that precise and that you can hold equally well).

I'm talking about how to judge accuracy:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...878#Post3025878 </div></div>

We aren't talking about judging accuracy. The proof is in the targets. I am yet to see an "1/8 MOA" rifle or shooter for that matter. Not quite sure where you're taking that ship.

For the OP, I use to think the same way about rifles. Now I think back at all the GREAT rifles I've had and will never get back. Don't sell your rifles. Wait until its financially not a burden to acquire another. You'll regret selling your Savage if you do.
 
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Sorry for my ignorance, I can hold 3/8 MOA at 100 and 200yds.

Just make sure that builders who have 1/4MOA accuracy with match grade ammo better hold a 2" group at 800 yds and 2.5 at 1000yds or its not 1/4 MOA accuracy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sooooo? These are hundred yard groups.... Not unheard of.</div></div>Oh, I see what you mean: All my cold bore shots average .308.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check out 6mmbr.com and the guys that shoot 1/8" groups in competition and be amazed! </div></div>That's nothing. When I use one of these trusty accuracy-enhamcing devices:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/149023/caldwell-lead-sled-dft-rifle-shooting-rest
my rifle shoots absolutely amazingly well... And even better than 1/8 MOA at 35 yards!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xXlojackXx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InkedIan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wtf are you talking about..... </div></div>I'm talking about accuracy being a function of a system comprised of rifle, ammo and shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What r u talking about??? Where do you get 1/8 MOA??</div></div>I'm talking about when all best and worst groups average 1/4 MOA, or you shoot five consecutive five shot groups at 2" at 800 yards, then I'll concede you may have a 1/4 MOA rifle. Problem is, in order to to do that, the best the rifle can do must be 1/8 MOA and the best its ammo can do must also be 1/8 MOA. When this happens the result on target will be groupings right around 1/4 MOA (assuming, of course, that you can find ammo that precise and that you can hold equally well).

I'm talking about how to judge accuracy:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...878#Post3025878 </div></div>

We aren't talking about judging accuracy. The proof is in the targets. I am yet to see an "1/8 MOA" rifle or shooter for that matter. Not quite sure where you're taking that ship.

For the OP, I use to think the same way about rifles. Now I think back at all the GREAT rifles I've had and will never get back. Don't sell your rifles. Wait until its financially not a burden to acquire another. You'll regret selling your Savage if you do. </div></div>


Thanks, I dont think I will sell her. I cant seem to let her go. My wife insists on me not selling it. If you ask her I love my rifles more then her! LOL Its not true I tell her, or is it LOL