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Shooting between heartbeats??

SilentSniper7

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I have heard the term "shoot between heartbeats" a lot.

What I would like to know is:How does it work?,most of the time

I am not aware of /cant feel my heartbeat when I am relaxed.

Could someone please explain to me how it works?
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Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

When your looking through your scope and you hit a natural respiratory pause in your breathing cycle....you can actually see your reticule "bounce" from your heartbeat.

Now, in my experience....I've only seen this either on high magnification (15x or more) or with an elevated heart rate from exertion prior to shooting.
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

When I shot rifle (smallbore) in college, the coach (MSG Driscoll...) had us practice 'biofeedback' as it was called back then. That set of exercises supposedly helped slow heartrate and regulate breathing. I thought it was a bunch of bovine scatology then, but he was the coach.

Realistically, I think what we were doing was practicing relaxation and breathing. But there was supposed to be a whole science behind it and the coach was a proponant. So call it what you will... he said 'do it.' We did it.

That said, if you work on some relaxation techniques and breath control, it does help, especially at long ranges and at shorter ranges can really tighten group sizes.

At high magnifications (and especially when you have a good cheek weld), you can see the reticle bounce with heartbeats, just as mgd45 says.

As you get familiar with your trigger release point, you can time the trigger break to the rhythm of your breath/heartbeat.
This is one of the real values of dry fire training. Because you don't need a round downrange to know if your break was 'timed' nicely.

FYI, on stress courses, the ability to get 'in your zone' quickly is really valuable. Ignoring the stressors (usually obstacles and people yelling at you) is part of it. But if you are running and doing obstacles, etc. it can be well worth waiting a few seconds to relax and get in you happy place before firing your shot. In competition, you are doing the math between your timed speed and the X ring. If you are working in the real world, you need to make sure that your shot is on target, period. Knowing your own physiology and how it will affect a shot matters in both cases.

Finally... if you are shooting really long range courses, which I don't do much, your physiology is going to be a lot less valuable than your ability to read wind, environmental conditions, etc. This is where your databook (and range time) are priceless. Every little thing helps, though.

Hope this gives some insight... I am sure others here will have more to add. But this may give you a start.

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

My experience is also from smallbore/3-position. In that setting, the gun becomes part of your body and you can definitely see the sights bounce with your heartbeat. So you align your natural point-of-aim, and each heartbeat you adjust your hold so that after the beat, you are perfectly on target. Once you get it right for several beats in a row, the next one you squeeze the trigger.

I have to say, in any setting where a rest is involved, I have found this technique much less impactful.

Being a serious runner, this was an advantage for me in competition. I stunk it up in practice in college; I went straight there from running workouts with the cross country or track teams. But in competition, with a resting heart rate of about 30, I had a full 2 seconds to finely adjust and squeeze the shot off.
 
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Not necessarily the rifle that's moving, could be your eye, as your cheek swells with the increased blood from each heartbeat and raises your eye up.

Trying to shoot between beats is too much to worry about.
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

At 32 power, you can see the reticle bounce with every heartbeat. That's not saying that I could shoot between heartbeats!
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

I never heard this when I was shooting competition. Maybe things have changed but, for one thing, I would not want to know exactly when the trigger was going to break. What I was taught was to adjust rifle, body, slings, etc for best possible natural point of aim. I used to shoot with a 20x Unertyl and you can easily count your pulse. However, I was taught that your pulse needed to be such that you had no more than a nine ring wobble. For me, in addition to my shooting jacket, I wore two sweatshirts, otherwise I'd get too much pulse movement coming through. For 50 ft smallbore gallery rifle, a 9 ring wobble would usually guarantee a shot breaks the 10 ring. If you could control things to less than a 10 ring wobble, obviously you'd be shooting mostly Xs.
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

Danguy,
How do you trap a mover if you don't know exactly when your trigger will break. Hunting or comps, trigger break needs to be a known, not a suprise.
Mike
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

Shooting isn't supposed to be rocket surgery; yet folks always seem to be looking for ways to make it even harder.

If you think you need to pay attention to every beat of your heart in order to shoot straight, by all means be my guest.

I'll pass...

Greg
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

What's rocket surgery? Is that how you remedy a rocket by way of rocket science?
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike s.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Danguy,
How do you trap a mover if you don't know exactly when your trigger will break. Hunting or comps, trigger break needs to be a known, not a suprise.
Mike </div></div>

I couldn't really speak with experience on that since pretty much all of my shooting was stationary targets. However, I've had it explained to me that if you know your trigger very well, you can start a squeeze and know that it will go off some time in the next 5 seconds but not know exactly when. But if you needed a faster break, you could also squeeze with more pressure such that you'd know that it goes off within 1 second, but never knowing the exact moment. Again though, for the shooting I've done, that was never an issue.
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

Try shooting a pistol with a scope on it, that's were you can see your heart beat. MM
 
Re: Shooting between heartbeats??

just turn your heart off, that is what the wife says i do when i see a dead animal or something that she gets upset about and i dont